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Can somebody help me with this (old) Drill Press
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote:
This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor.. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. |
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On 8/29/2012 6:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around .... .... Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim Well, the pictures don't show the full mechanism (front cut off entirely, rear indistinct in to the background) so can't tell for sure but clearly the two towards the front are on a pivoting arrangement but the specific adjustment/locking isn't shown. Certainly as shown the front belt looks to be essentially slack so I'd guess it wouldn't pull w/ any significant torque at all as is. Again it's too blurred to tell for sure but it looks like _maybe_ that center is a variable speed arrangement? It certainly looks wide for a single groove. I'd like to see a set of much better pictures -- both in focus and that cover the full mechanism. Did you do a search an OWWM.ORG to see if there's a similar one there by any chance? I've not seen that specific mechanism before... -- |
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On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:46:13 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 6:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around ... ... Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim Well, the pictures don't show the full mechanism (front cut off entirely, rear indistinct in to the background) so can't tell for sure but clearly the two towards the front are on a pivoting arrangement but the specific adjustment/locking isn't shown. Certainly as shown the front belt looks to be essentially slack so I'd guess it wouldn't pull w/ any significant torque at all as is. Again it's too blurred to tell for sure but it looks like _maybe_ that center is a variable speed arrangement? It certainly looks wide for a single groove. I'd like to see a set of much better pictures -- both in focus and that cover the full mechanism. Did you do a search an OWWM.ORG to see if there's a similar one there by any chance? I've not seen that specific mechanism before... -- I know. I'm going to get some better ones in a min. But I did find a bolt on each side of the head that holds two rods that allow you to pull the motor straight back. I was looking for a hinge, but this is how you do it. This definitely helped things. However, I'm going to put more pictures in that gallery just to see if people have more info for me. Thanks. |
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Have you looked at owwm.com / .org? They can often be helpful with
older equipment. On 8/29/2012 7:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. |
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On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:46:13 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 6:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around ... ... Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim Well, the pictures don't show the full mechanism (front cut off entirely, rear indistinct in to the background) so can't tell for sure but clearly the two towards the front are on a pivoting arrangement but the specific adjustment/locking isn't shown. Certainly as shown the front belt looks to be essentially slack so I'd guess it wouldn't pull w/ any significant torque at all as is. Again it's too blurred to tell for sure but it looks like _maybe_ that center is a variable speed arrangement? It certainly looks wide for a single groove. I'd like to see a set of much better pictures -- both in focus and that cover the full mechanism. Did you do a search an OWWM.ORG to see if there's a similar one there by any chance? I've not seen that specific mechanism before... -- OK, I updated the gallery. Man, those really were bad pics, shouldn't be operating equipment when I drink like that;+} |
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On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:09:07 PM UTC-4, Kenefick wrote:
Have you looked at owwm.com / .org? They can often be helpful with older equipment. On 8/29/2012 7:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. Yes, I also posted a question there as well. Thank you. |
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On 8/29/2012 9:24 PM, jtpr wrote:
.... I'd like to see a set of much better pictures -- both in focus and that cover the full mechanism. Did you do a search an OWWM.ORG to see if there's a similar one there by any chance? I've not seen that specific mechanism before... .... OK, I updated the gallery. Man, those really were bad pics, shouldn't be operating equipment when I drink like that;+} Much better... The two rods will definitely tighten the drive belt from motor but not the others afaict from the pictures. I'd like to see the front handle mechanism a little more clearly; looks to me like it rotates around the front casting to tension the adjustable speed pulleys by straightening the linkage between the three shafts. But, the top is shown but not the front so can't see what goes on at the handle for locking it in position, etc. I'd also like to see a better shot of the actual pulleys -- the depth the belts are running makes me wonder if the belts aren't too small for them but can't tell for sure. Anyway, the combination of the motor position on the support rods as you've noted and the position of that front handle on the speed-changing mechanism are the tension adjustments. Nice looking press--I've not done a search for it--did you try to search owwm for the King-Seely name? I'm not familiar w/ it, either. -- |
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dpb wrote:
Anyway, the combination of the motor position on the support rods as you've noted and the position of that front handle on the speed-changing mechanism are the tension adjustments. Sure looks like it. What I'm trying to figure is how moving the linked arms is going to work. I mean, how is it going to move the shaft upon which the sheaves rotate (which is what it looks like it would do)? I guess the sheaves could have an oversize hole and tensioning the rods could tilt the shaft but that seems terminally wierd. I do see the rod upon which the motor could slide - presumably, one on each side - and I wonder if the quadrant/push rod things could hook up to that? Must be... -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 8/30/2012 10:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
dpb wrote: Anyway, the combination of the motor position on the support rods as you've noted and the position of that front handle on the speed-changing mechanism are the tension adjustments. Sure looks like it. What I'm trying to figure is how moving the linked arms is going to work. I mean, how is it going to move the shaft upon which the sheaves rotate (which is what it looks like it would do)? I guess the sheaves could have an oversize hole and tensioning the rods could tilt the shaft but that seems terminally wierd. I do see the rod upon which the motor could slide - presumably, one on each side - and I wonder if the quadrant/push rod things could hook up to that? Must be... Not enough detail in the right angles/positions to be able to tell precisely how the intermediate spindles are supported but I'm certain they move laterally to allow to change belt positions for speed changing. Somewhere I suspect there are some other locking levers/set screws/whatevers... As noted I've not seen this precise mechanism before--it's interesting certainly and I'd think a diligent search would probably come up w/ it on owwm or even maybe an old patent drawing. But, I don't have the time at the moment to try to do so now. -- |
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On 8/29/2012 9:24 PM, jtpr wrote:
.... Did you do a search an OWWM.ORG to see if there's a similar one there by any chance? I've not seen that specific mechanism before... .... Well, I did do a quickie--as I thought _might_ be possible, the large diameter on the intermediate shafts and the adjusting mechanism is a variable-speed drive system... http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=9538 So, the drive belt is tightened by the mechanism as you described but the others are basically based on length of the belt itself and the front lever arm moves them in/out on the pulleys to provide a variable speed feature. As the owner in the link says, that leaves it w/ a limited amount of torque based on the spring load on the intermediate pulleys. Those two can't be tightened per a conventional belt. Another one w/ the speed plate on the variable speed... http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=12727 -- |
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I think the drill press is going 'way too fast for a 3 1/8" drill. Are you using a hole saw or a forstner bit or what? That drill press, if it's like mine, has a slowest speed of about 550 rpm. You should be down to about 150 rpms or so, I'd say. I'll bet that your drill bit has dulled/overheated from the high speed. I slowed mine down by adding a separate motor beside the main one. My main motor has a double ended shaft, so I put a 6" pulley on the lower end and used a 1 1/2" pulley on the separate motor. I simply add the lower belt when I need a selection of lower speeds for work such as yours. If the problem IS slippage, on my drill press, you simply adjust the motor farther away from the back of the drill press. Mine is a 1960 Sears floor model. Pete Stanaitis --------------- |
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On 8/29/2012 7:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. I have King Seeley from the same era. Model Number 103.23140. Here is a pic of mine: http://jbstein.com/Flick/DrillPress.jpg Yours is slightly different at the top, looks to be a bit newer model, Mine only has two pulleys, not four and you change speeds by moving the belt manually. Yours looks exactly the same if you removed the two middle pulleys and just had a belt from the spindle pulley to the motor pulley. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. What are you cutting the hole with? Is the tool sharp? I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor. Mine also has a 1/2 hp motor, and I never had a problem with power, and never had the belt slip. My belt is loose enough that I can change pulley positions w/o loosening anything. The belt is tightened by loosening the two bolts on the side that hold the motor mount. I rarely to never change speeds. A fly cutter is about the only time and it's rather easy, takes about 10 seconds or less. I have cut 6" holes with a fly cutter, not a problem. Yours seems to have a much more complex pulley system, and could be that is where your problems are coming from, assuming a sharp tool and no motor problems. I do have the operating instructions and parts list for my model, but it doesn't show the complex pulley system yours has added on to it. I would think there are ways to adjust tension for no slip, and 1/2 hp is plenty for this DP. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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On 9/3/2012 11:08 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/29/2012 7:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. I have King Seeley from the same era. Model Number 103.23140. Here is a pic of mine: http://jbstein.com/Flick/DrillPress.jpg Yours is slightly different at the top, looks to be a bit newer model, Mine only has two pulleys, not four and you change speeds by moving the belt manually. Yours looks exactly the same if you removed the two middle pulleys and just had a belt from the spindle pulley to the motor pulley. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. What are you cutting the hole with? Is the tool sharp? I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor. Mine also has a 1/2 hp motor, and I never had a problem with power, and never had the belt slip. My belt is loose enough that I can change pulley positions w/o loosening anything. The belt is tightened by loosening the two bolts on the side that hold the motor mount. I rarely to never change speeds. A fly cutter is about the only time and it's rather easy, takes about 10 seconds or less. I have cut 6" holes with a fly cutter, not a problem. Yours seems to have a much more complex pulley system, and could be that is where your problems are coming from, assuming a sharp tool and no motor problems. I do have the operating instructions and parts list for my model, but it doesn't show the complex pulley system yours has added on to it. I would think there are ways to adjust tension for no slip, and 1/2 hp is plenty for this DP. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. Sure you could, but you would do away with the variable speed pulleys that make this a great drill press. -- ___________________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . Dan G remove the seven |
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On Monday, September 3, 2012 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DanG wrote:
On 9/3/2012 11:08 AM, Jack wrote: On 8/29/2012 7:18 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:37:50 PM UTC-7, jtpr wrote: This was my Dad's. It is a Craftsman King-Seeley probably around the 1950's anyway. Floor standing. It is good machine that I have used for a long time. However, it has never had the power that I think it should and I believe it is due to the belts. I have King Seeley from the same era. Model Number 103.23140. Here is a pic of mine: http://jbstein.com/Flick/DrillPress.jpg Yours is slightly different at the top, looks to be a bit newer model, Mine only has two pulleys, not four and you change speeds by moving the belt manually. Yours looks exactly the same if you removed the two middle pulleys and just had a belt from the spindle pulley to the motor pulley. This has come to be a problem as I want to drill a 3 1/8th inch hole for a clock in a hunk of maple 1 1/2" thick. It just is taking forever. What are you cutting the hole with? Is the tool sharp? I don't really know how to work the belt system. There is no Sears part number on it that I can find, but it does have a 1/2hp motor. Mine also has a 1/2 hp motor, and I never had a problem with power, and never had the belt slip. My belt is loose enough that I can change pulley positions w/o loosening anything. The belt is tightened by loosening the two bolts on the side that hold the motor mount. I rarely to never change speeds. A fly cutter is about the only time and it's rather easy, takes about 10 seconds or less. I have cut 6" holes with a fly cutter, not a problem. Yours seems to have a much more complex pulley system, and could be that is where your problems are coming from, assuming a sharp tool and no motor problems. I do have the operating instructions and parts list for my model, but it doesn't show the complex pulley system yours has added on to it. I would think there are ways to adjust tension for no slip, and 1/2 hp is plenty for this DP. Here are some pics: http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Other/Dri...5079295_D2w2wb If you have any idea what I do to minimize the belt slip, that would be great. Thank you. -Jim If the problem is belt slippage the motor should be mounted on a system that can slide in and out and there should be a lever that locks it in place. Sometimes there is a bolt that locks it in place and a lever actually lets you add tension before you tighten it back up. Somehow the motor needs to move away from the pully. Alternatively you can add an idiler by adding another small pully or wheel mid belt to add tension. Could probably hack something up with some plywood a few srews and or clamps I would imagine. Sure you could, but you would do away with the variable speed pulleys that make this a great drill press. -- ___________________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . Dan G remove the seven OK, the belts are labled, SR 170, SR 200, and SR 210. After measuring I figured it out: SR = Sears and Robuck 170 = 17" 200 = 20" 210 = 21" Duh. Anyway I found all the belts at http://www.vbeltsupply.com/ For $12 including shipping I ordered them, we'll see what happens when they arrive. I am using a brand new Forstner bit to answer a previous question. I had asked about speed in terms of which is better for a bit this large, faster or slower, it sounds like slower from the comments. -Jim |
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