I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Only one word: gorgeous.

On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 6/29/2012 2:04 PM, Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.

Thank you!

On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

On Friday, June 29, 2012 2:33:19 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

very nice! i hadn't seen the "front and back face frame" technique before.

On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/


Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

No Ikea stores in Texas? Cheap Swedish knock down build it yourself
stuff, but it is in the basement.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 06/29/2012 12:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/


Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

Pronounced Ick-e-a


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 6/29/2012 2:32 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1
each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at
least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a
bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/



Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

No Ikea stores in Texas? Cheap Swedish knock down build it yourself
stuff, but it is in the basement.


Yeah we have one, I visited once about 10 years ago and again recently
only because I forgot that you have to go through a maze to get out.

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
...
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have any
sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope I
measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments. There
are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each for the
front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6 adjustable
feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each foot is good
for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least 1800#'s. Over
all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain patter for the back
panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)


First off, very nice looking bookshelves. Those books will have a first
class home! Mary will be proud to show off her books and the bookcases.

Some comments, questions, etc.

With the adjustable feet, each cabinet can support 1800 lbs. Are you sure
this is enough? I think each cabinet should support at least 3,000 lbs.
LOL I just had to kid you a little on that one.

Are the shelves doubled? What are the shelves made of?

Also, are the shelves notched in the back?

That extra set of adjustable center supports, front and back, on the end
cabinets is totally slick. I have seen it done on the back, but not on the
front as well. That will definitely increase the working load on each shelf
and prevent sagging. Good idea, good design, good execution.. I am sure
that some folks will think it is overbuilt, but I have always been accused
of overbuilding things. Those extra supports not only support the shelves,
but increase the strength and rigidity of the cabinets as well. It not only
looks good, it works good. Beauty AND function. It doesn't get any better
than that.

I remember some book shelves I built for my sister. The comment she made
(and everyone else who knew her made as well) was that the book cases were
"really solid". Implying anything else she ever had wasn't. Those things
are just as solid now as the day I built them, over 20 years ago. Quality
furniture is not rickety and fragile. It is durable, strong and looks good.
You obviously build quality furniture.

One other comment. I saw those pictures on top of your table saw. How do
you cut any wood with those pictures on the top of your saw? Has your wife
been decorating your shop? g,d&r

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I
hope I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for
adjustments. There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each
side and 1 each for the front and back center stiles. Each end
cabinet is setting on 6 adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms
of the cabinets and each foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet
should be good for at least 1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was
lucky to get a great grain patter for the back panels, too bad they
will be hidden behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and
back face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13
cabinets that I have built this way since October last year. These
things are extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...stream/lightbo
x/

Click older at the top for the series.

Gorgeous, Leon!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 6/29/2012 2:19 PM, wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2012 2:33:19 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

very nice! i hadn't seen the "front and back face frame" technique before.

Thank you!

I first use it here on this link about 6~9 months ago

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...57622991960362

And again here about 3 months ago.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...7622991960362/

On 6/29/12 3:41 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:32 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1
each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and
each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at
least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a
bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and
back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13
cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/




Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

No Ikea stores in Texas? Cheap Swedish knock down build it yourself
stuff, but it is in the basement.


Yeah we have one, I visited once about 10 years ago and again recently
only because I forgot that you have to go through a maze to get out.

My wife likes their candles and some of the other stuff sold near the
exits, we we break in through an open check-out line and go for what she
wants instead of taking the scenic tour. :-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 6/29/2012 2:44 PM, Han wrote:
Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I
hope I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for
adjustments. There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each
side and 1 each for the front and back center stiles. Each end
cabinet is setting on 6 adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms
of the cabinets and each foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet
should be good for at least 1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was
lucky to get a great grain patter for the back panels, too bad they
will be hidden behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and
back face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13
cabinets that I have built this way since October last year. These
things are extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...stream/lightbo
x/

Click older at the top for the series.

Gorgeous, Leon!


Thank you Han!

Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.


Yes, non-simply beautiful.

Bill

On 6/29/2012 2:43 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:


"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
...
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1
each for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting
on 6 adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets
and each foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good
for at least 1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a
great grain patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden
behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)


First off, very nice looking bookshelves. Those books will have a first
class home! Mary will be proud to show off her books and the bookcases.

Some comments, questions, etc.

With the adjustable feet, each cabinet can support 1800 lbs. Are you
sure this is enough? I think each cabinet should support at least 3,000
lbs. LOL I just had to kid you a little on that one.

I think that will be enough, maybe. I try to build for the person that
might inherit the furniture and use it to maybe store their gold bars or
lead fishing weights. LOL



Are the shelves doubled? What are the shelves made of?

Single thickness, 3/4" red oak veneer plywood with a 3/4" x 3/4" piece
of solid red oak on the front edges. That piece is attached to the
plywood shelves with a spline joint.


Also, are the shelves notched in the back?

No.


That extra set of adjustable center supports, front and back, on the end
cabinets is totally slick. I have seen it done on the back, but not on
the front as well.

The center hanging section is done that way too. It is little more
effort to put the supports in the front center stile also. Kind of a no
brainer. This really reduces the need to add extra support to the
shelves them selves to prevent sag. I did this on my previous 3 book
cases and the pantry that I built for our new home.


That will definitely increase the working load on
each shelf and prevent sagging.

Exactly!

Good idea, good design, good execution..

Thank you! Thank you Sketchup! That program has really helped me
design better furniture.


I am sure that some folks will think it is overbuilt, but I have always
been accused of overbuilding things. Those extra supports not only
support the shelves, but increase the strength and rigidity of the
cabinets as well. It not only looks good, it works good. Beauty AND
function. It doesn't get any better than that.

I try to overbuild, I don't want a problem at a later date. I am sure
the center stiles add something but the front and back face frames that
have dados to accept the bottom, top, and sides of the cases really adds
rigidity. FWIW I moved the cases with out the shelves and backs by
picking them up by the center front stile.

During the dry fits of the prior 10 cases that I built this way I had
the unit laying on its back glued up face frame and the top, bottom, and
sides fitted into the back face frame dados and the top glued up face
frame fitted on top of all of that. I could lift one corner and the
case would pivot from the opposite back corner. No sag any where.


I remember some book shelves I built for my sister. The comment she made
(and everyone else who knew her made as well) was that the book cases
were "really solid". Implying anything else she ever had wasn't. Those
things are just as solid now as the day I built them, over 20 years ago.
Quality furniture is not rickety and fragile. It is durable, strong and
looks good. You obviously build quality furniture.

I often say that quality built furniture always looks good and never
goes out of style. I am sure you and your sister would agree about the
piece you built for her.
Basically well built continues to look well built. Cheaply built
looks less than desirable after a few years.



One other comment. I saw those pictures on top of your table saw. How do
you cut any wood with those pictures on the top of your saw? Has your
wife been decorating your shop? g,d&r

It is hard keeping the dust out. ;~) My grand mother painted thos, and
about 10 others that I have had, in the mid 60's. I finally inherited
the rest that you saw. I have reframed all of her paintings with like
frames and they all hang in our den.

Thanks again for the kind comments!

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:40:05 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:

On 06/29/2012 12:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:07 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 6/29/12 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/


Click older at the top for the series.

Those are beautiful, love the grain on the backs, but yeah, once it is
loaded that will be lost.
My wife has a butt load of books and wanted some shelving in the
basement for them, I went to Ikea. :-)


Thank you! Ikea huh? ;~)

Pronounced Ick-e-a

"Icky, eh?"

--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln

On 6/29/2012 2:52 PM, Bill wrote:
Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.


Yes, non-simply beautiful.

Bill


Thank you Bill!

And may I remind you that I used Old Masters Gel varnish? ;~)

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:43:37 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

One other comment. I saw those pictures on top of your table saw. How do
you cut any wood with those pictures on the top of your saw? Has your wife
been decorating your shop? g,d&r

Those are oddly shaped, very colorful pushsticks, huh?

--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I
hope I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for
adjustments. There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each
side and 1 each for the front and back center stiles. Each end
cabinet is setting on 6 adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms
of the cabinets and each foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet
should be good for at least 1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was
lucky to get a great grain patter for the back panels, too bad they
will be hidden behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and
back face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13
cabinets that I have built this way since October last year. These
things are extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...stream/lightbo
x/

Click older at the top for the series.

Beautiful grain on the back of those cases. Since most books are
shorter than the shelf distance, you'll still be able to see some of it
after the case is loaded up.

The center shelf pins make perfect sense. Good idea. I'll probably
copy it if I do adjustable shelves.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

I like the way you trapped the middle case in on top. Nice.

What is going in the middle of the the cases below that middle case?



On 6/29/2012 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

On 6/29/2012 1:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Gorgeous as usual, Bubba! And time to celebrate with an:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...85450154360146

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:33:19 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Beautiful bookcase. Too bad those backpanels aren't door panels. A
shame to hide them behind books.

Mike M

In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

Beautiful! You even make red oak look great!

Beautiful grain on the back of those cases. Since most books are
shorter than the shelf distance, you'll still be able to see some of it
after the case is loaded up.

The center shelf pins make perfect sense. Good idea. I'll probably
copy it if I do adjustable shelves.

Puckdropper

Thank you!

I have seven adjustable shelves plus the bottom shelf on each outer
cabinet and the customers current saggy book cases are pretty much
adjusted so that there are no gaps. ;~( Either way show or no show it
looks goo now. LOL

Yeah the center supports work very well although they totally totally
eleminat the need to go to the "sagulator site" to determine how much
your shelves are going to sag. ;~)

Leon, a couple more questions.

When you do your double face frame construction, are all the face frames
held together with just glue? And when you attach the face frames to the
body, do you just glue them as well? Are there any mechanical fasteners
involved? Dominos?

How did you drill the holes for the shelf hangers? A commercial jig, or?

On 6/29/2012 4:02 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
I like the way you trapped the middle case in on top. Nice.

Thank you , I used a similar method on our pantry with the center stack
of 22 drawers.


What is going in the middle of the the cases below that middle case?

Mu customer has a 48" wide red oak students desk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/




On 6/29/2012 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

On 6/29/2012 4:12 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Gorgeous as usual, Bubba! And time to celebrate with an:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...85450154360146



Thank you! and I agree with the celebration. Ummmmmmmm.

On 6/29/2012 4:22 PM, Mike M wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:33:19 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The
cases are 120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope
I measured correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments.
There are 6 shelf hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each
for the front and back center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6
adjustable feet , adjusted through the bottoms of the cabinets and each
foot is good for 300#'s each so each cabinet should be good for at least
1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I was lucky to get a great grain
patter for the back panels, too bad they will be hidden behind a bunch'a
ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of
"detailed pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Beautiful bookcase.

Thank you!


Too bad those backpanels aren't door panels. A
shame to hide them behind books.



That was what I was thinking. LOL


Mike M

On 6/29/2012 4:24 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In articleK4GdnewDW6JkaXDSnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews. com, Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

Beautiful! You even make red oak look great!

Thank you Dave!


Funny you should mention the red oak looking good. I built with that
stuff for 30 years and only recently started using white oak because of
IMHO nicer color and what seems to me a bit sturdier wood/less
splintery. It has been 18 months since I have really built anything
with red oak and looking at theses book cases I have to agree that this
red oak seems to have a very nice color. Maybe it is the Old Masters
gel varnish. ;~)

On 6/29/2012 4:43 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:


Leon, a couple more questions.

When you do your double face frame construction, are all the face frames
held together with just glue? And when you attach the face frames to the
body, do you just glue them as well? Are there any mechanical fasteners
involved? Dominos?

The front face frames are held together with floating tenon Dominos and
glue, all butt in appearance joints so to speak.

The back face frames use lap joints 1/3 x 2/3 to form a 1/4" deep rabbet
all the way around the opening to receive the back panels. and then all
of those joints are reinforced with floating Domino tenons. This
provides a very clean looking back side and allows me to screw in the
back panels.
3 pictures are worth a thousand words.

The back face frame joint,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...in/photostream

That joint separated

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...n/photostream/

The detail of that joint with the Domino showing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...n/photostream/



How did you drill the holes for the shelf hangers? A commercial jig, or?

For 15+ years I have been using the Rockler shelf pin jig and it has
seen tens of thousands of holes. But it is getting long in the tooth
and showing signs that it could fail, the plastic is cracking around the
guide holes. So I replaced it with this one, smaller than the Rockler
but it gets into tighter spots. I have had this jig about 4 months and
have drilled about 1,300 holes with it so far.

http://www.kregtool.com/Shelf-Pin-Jig-Prodview.html

On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:52 PM, Bill wrote:
Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.


Yes, non-simply beautiful.

Bill


Thank you Bill!

And may I remind you that I used Old Masters Gel varnish? ;~)

I haven't followed the whole thread so I'm unaware of any inside jokes....
so are you saying this *is* in fact the Old Masters stuff.

This is the stuff you say dries pretty fact?


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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:40:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:


Beautiful grain on the back of those cases. Since most books are
shorter than the shelf distance, you'll still be able to see some of it
after the case is loaded up.

The center shelf pins make perfect sense. Good idea. I'll probably
copy it if I do adjustable shelves.

Puckdropper

Thank you!

I have seven adjustable shelves plus the bottom shelf on each outer

_Nice_ amount of book shelving, dude.


cabinet and the customers current saggy book cases are pretty much
adjusted so that there are no gaps. ;~( Either way show or no show it
looks goo now. LOL

Yeah the center supports work very well although they totally totally
eleminat the need to go to the "sagulator site" to determine how much
your shelves are going to sag. ;~)

Yeah, I prefer the wider shelving (with pretty good access behind the
center post) over dual narrow shelves. I think I'll use the L shaped,
pinned shelf supports next time, too. They're much easier to work with
than the flatted pins.

--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:12:44 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 6/29/2012 1:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted
simple red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have
any sagging shelves.

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back
face frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets
that I have built this way since October last year. These things are
extremely rigid.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Gorgeous as usual, Bubba! And time to celebrate with an:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...85450154360146

Looks yummy, Swingy!

--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

-MIKE- wrote:
On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:52 PM, Bill wrote:
Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.


Yes, non-simply beautiful.

Bill


Thank you Bill!

And may I remind you that I used Old Masters Gel varnish? ;~)

I haven't followed the whole thread so I'm unaware of any inside jokes....
so are you saying this *is* in fact the Old Masters stuff.

This is the stuff you say dries pretty fast?

I'm 99% sure that the answer to that is yes.

Bill

On 6/29/2012 1:33 PM, Leon wrote:
I started this project near the end of last month. My customer wanted simple
red oak book cases that would hold loads of books and hot have any sagging
shelves.

The finish is Old Masters Gel Varnish, my new varnish of choice. The cases are
120" wide and have to fit a wall that is 10'-2" wide. I hope I measured
correctly! Lots of shelves with 690 holes for adjustments. There are 6 shelf
hanger hooks for each shelf, 2 on each side and 1 each for the front and back
center stiles. Each end cabinet is setting on 6 adjustable feet , adjusted
through the bottoms of the cabinets and each foot is good for 300#'s each so
each cabinet should be good for at least 1800#'s. Over all height is 80". I
was lucky to get a great grain patter for the back panels, too bad they will be
hidden behind a bunch'a ole books. ;!)

I again used my preferred method of choice construction, front and back face
frames with 12 dado joints on each cabinet. This makes 13 cabinets that I have
built this way since October last year. These things are extremely rigid.



Comments welcome!

Nailshooter! you would be proud, follow the link to a series of "detailed
pictures"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/

Click older at the top for the series.

Looks very nice Leon!

It seems like a lot of the work you do is in Oak; is that a personal choice or
is that reflective of what your customers ask for?

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On 6/29/2012 10:14 PM, Steve Turner wrote:


Looks very nice Leon!

Thank you

It seems like a lot of the work you do is in Oak; is that a personal
choice or is that reflective of what your customers ask for?


Lots of oak, and mostly because it the least expensive of the hard, hard
woods in this area.

On 6/29/2012 7:21 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 6/29/12 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 6/29/2012 2:52 PM, Bill wrote:
Z3Driver wrote:
Only one word: gorgeous.


Yes, non-simply beautiful.

Bill


Thank you Bill!

And may I remind you that I used Old Masters Gel varnish? ;~)

I haven't followed the whole thread so I'm unaware of any inside jokes....
so are you saying this *is* in fact the Old Masters stuff.

This is the stuff you say dries pretty fact?



Yes that is the stuff. Actually most all of the gel varnishes dry
pretty quickly but the Old Masters is head and shoulders above General
Finishes Gel Varnish.

On 6/29/2012 8:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:40:26 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:


Beautiful grain on the back of those cases. Since most books are
shorter than the shelf distance, you'll still be able to see some of it
after the case is loaded up.

The center shelf pins make perfect sense. Good idea. I'll probably
copy it if I do adjustable shelves.

Puckdropper

Thank you!

I have seven adjustable shelves plus the bottom shelf on each outer

_Nice_ amount of book shelving, dude.


cabinet and the customers current saggy book cases are pretty much
adjusted so that there are no gaps. ;~( Either way show or no show it
looks goo now. LOL

Yeah the center supports work very well although they totally totally
eleminat the need to go to the "sagulator site" to determine how much
your shelves are going to sag. ;~)

Yeah, I prefer the wider shelving (with pretty good access behind the
center post) over dual narrow shelves. I think I'll use the L shaped,
pinned shelf supports next time, too. They're much easier to work with
than the flatted pins.


And the L shaped pins can not come out unless you remove the shelf first.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Yes that is the stuff. Actually most all of the gel varnishes dry
pretty quickly but the Old Masters is head and shoulders above General
Finishes Gel Varnish.


Hey Leon -

I use General Finishes "Gel Topcoat"
(http://www.generalfinishes.com/retai...base-top-coats)
and am happy with the results. Is the GF Gel Varnish you refer to above
in fact the Gel Topcoat, or a different product?

Besides drying speed, any other reason you prefer the Old Masters
product?


Thanks.