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Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood
base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. Steve |
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On 6/25/2012 4:08 PM, Steve B wrote:
Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. Steve Why worry about the cost of glue? I thought the very definition of a boat was a hole in the water you pour money into. |
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On 6/25/2012 5:08 PM, Steve B wrote:
Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. Steve 3M |
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Steve B wrote:
Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. What do you want the adhesive for Steve? You don't need it for the foam, but many do use it all the same. For the canvas, you don't want adhesive. You want to staple that. -- -Mike- |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:05:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:08 PM, Steve B wrote: Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. 3M I use 3M Super 77 on my NoteSHADE glare guards because I have to. It's the only one which lays down an even coat of glue. I glue ripstop nylon to the thin foam and it telegraphs any depth of glue glop. The others are fine for regular upholstery, gluing foam to boards or batting to foam. Sprayway and DAP were good glues but both tended to glop out of the spray head. I recently saw Super 77 at $17 a can on some lame retail site Christ on a crutch, that's evil! But if it's going to be outside, that's what I'd use. Sprayway 092 is rated for car headliners, so it will handle the 140+ temps, too. -- Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing. -- Abraham Lincoln |
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"Just Wondering" wrote in message ... On 6/25/2012 4:08 PM, Steve B wrote: Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. Steve Why worry about the cost of glue? I thought the very definition of a boat was a hole in the water you pour money into. Well, it IS $12 to $22 per can, a can being the size of a spraycan of paint ........ Steve |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Steve B wrote: Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. What do you want the adhesive for Steve? You don't need it for the foam, but many do use it all the same. For the canvas, you don't want adhesive. You want to staple that. -- -Mike- I had to put together some pieces of foam to get one cushion, because SWMBO took a prime piece of real estate for one of HER projects. I thought I'd glue them together so they might not look as bad as the space between without glue. I had intended to wrap the cloth around the plywood, glue a little, get it tacky, and pull and staple at the same time. Bad idea? I could use the information. This is my first upholstery job. I bought an old Singer industrial 111W155 walking foot upholstery machine a while back, and am finally getting around to some awning and canvas work, but the boat comes first. Steve |
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"Just Wondering" wrote: Why worry about the cost of glue? I thought the very definition of a boat was a hole in the water you pour money into. ------------------------------------ "Steve B" wrote: Well, it IS $12 to $22 per can, a can being the size of a spraycan of paint ---------------------------- And? Lew |
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Steve B wrote:
I had to put together some pieces of foam to get one cushion, because SWMBO took a prime piece of real estate for one of HER projects. I thought I'd glue them together so they might not look as bad as the space between without glue. I had intended to wrap the cloth around the plywood, glue a little, get it tacky, and pull and staple at the same time. Bad idea? I've had to glue pieces together myself, and I use 3M 77 for that task. Works just fine. I don't glue the fabric at all. I just start working it around with the staples - paying attention to the amount of pull all the way around. Watch the grain of the fabric and you'll know how much to pull. Roll the edge under as you staple which will give you a stronger edge as well as look better - more finished. I could use the information. This is my first upholstery job. I bought an old Singer industrial 111W155 walking foot upholstery machine a while back, and am finally getting around to some awning and canvas work, but the boat comes first. Damn - if I had known you were getting into canvas work I would not have demolished that pop up camper and turned it into a trailer... -- -Mike- |
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"Steve B" wrote in message ... "Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... Steve B wrote: Do any of you use upholstery glue? I am building some boat seats. Plywood base, 4" foam sold at Home Depot, Sunbrella canvas. I would like some spray foam adhesive, but there is a lot out there, and Goddam expensive at that, too. Suggestions appreciated. What do you want the adhesive for Steve? You don't need it for the foam, but many do use it all the same. For the canvas, you don't want adhesive. You want to staple that. -- -Mike- I had to put together some pieces of foam to get one cushion, because SWMBO took a prime piece of real estate for one of HER projects. I thought I'd glue them together so they might not look as bad as the space between without glue. I had intended to wrap the cloth around the plywood, glue a little, get it tacky, and pull and staple at the same time. Bad idea? I could use the information. This is my first upholstery job. I bought an old Singer industrial 111W155 walking foot upholstery machine a while back, and am finally getting around to some awning and canvas work, but the boat comes first. Steve the 155 is good old machine and as i said in my reply in a.r., I'd glue the foam together and to the wood then staple the canvas to the wood. When holding the staple gun, tilt it about 15 degrees or more to the left so the staple doesn't drive flush(one leg standing proud). Fit and adjust the cover until you like it, then staple flush while pulling the non flush staples |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote Watch the grain of the fabric and you'll know how much to pull. Roll the edge under as you staple which will give you a stronger edge as well as look better - more finished. This will all go on the underside, and be unseen, but I want to do it right, and not have it pull out. Steve |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message b.com... "Just Wondering" wrote: Why worry about the cost of glue? I thought the very definition of a boat was a hole in the water you pour money into. ------------------------------------ "Steve B" wrote: Well, it IS $12 to $22 per can, a can being the size of a spraycan of paint ---------------------------- And? Lew "And that's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump- |
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Steve B wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote Watch the grain of the fabric and you'll know how much to pull. Roll the edge under as you staple which will give you a stronger edge as well as look better - more finished. This will all go on the underside, and be unseen, but I want to do it right, and not have it pull out. Yup - I figured that. The rolled edge will make it stronger where you staple it. As for the look of it - well, that's more for your own satisfaction than anything else, since no one else will ever see it. -- -Mike- |
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On 6/25/12 9:18 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I've had to glue pieces together myself, and I use 3M 77 for that task. Works just fine. 3M Super77 works great for just about everything including foam. There is also spray adhesive from CRC (green can) at Harbor Freight that works great, has a better spray nozzle than 3M, and is on sale often for about 8 bucks. I use a lot of foam to make road cases and spray adhesive is the best stuff for the task. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"Steve B" wrote:
"And that's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump- ----------------------------------- When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. Lew |
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*I just start working it
around with the staples - paying attention to the amount of pull all the way around. *Watch the grain of the fabric and you'll know how much to pull.. Roll the edge under as you staple which will give you a stronger edge as well as look better - more finished. Align the top & bottom centers of the fabric's edges with the centers of the seat board. Attach at a few places left and right of each center. You don't want to simply pull the fabric at each attaching point, with (say) your thumb and forefinger, you want to pet it, with your whole hand. You can "feel" the tension of the fabric over the surface and "feel" that the tension is consistant along the edge(s). You not only want to maintain good tension perpendicular to the edge, but also along the edge, i.e, maintain good tension front to back of the seat and right and left. Petting with your whole hand, rather than pulling at individual points with your thumb & forefinger, makes for the best smooth lay of the fabric, with good tension in all directions. With a little practice, you will understand what I mean by petting, this way, and you'll see the difference, in the lay of the fabric, when the 2 techniques are compared to one another. Pulling at individual points will often cause little bumps (uneven lay of the fabric) along the edges. Additionally: There is/are specific foam(s) for boat seats and other outdoor use. "Regular" upholstery foam, for indoor furniture, is not recommended for outdoor use, boat seats, etc. Make sure you use the proper foam. I suppose you know to use treated ply (or treated whatever-wood) for the wood base. There are hard plastics, also, for seat bases, similar to 4-wheeler seats, motorcycle seats, etc., that are available. You don't want to glue your fabric to any padding. There are many exceptions to this, these days, especially when it comes to headliners, side panels, auto seats, etc., where a thin foam or other thin padding is used and a stitching design is sewn onto the fabric application. This sewn application, sewn designing, is infamous with custom auto interiors and the like. Sonny |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message b.com... "Steve B" wrote: "And that's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump- ----------------------------------- When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. Lew What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. Steve |
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On 6/26/2012 8:38 AM, Steve B wrote:
"Lew wrote in message b.com... "Steve B" wrote: "And that's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump- ----------------------------------- When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. Lew What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. Steve I was trying to figger that one out myself. LP??? Is that Liquid petroleum , or long playing? I've had a boat for 40 or so years and have never spent any $200 a gallon on anything. Boat or not related. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. -------------------------------- "Steve B" wrote: What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. ----------------------------------- You are ****ing and moaning about the cost of a $20 spray can of adhesive. What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Lew |
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"Steve Barker" wrote: I was trying to figger that one out myself. LP??? Is that Liquid petroleum , or long playing? I've had a boat for 40 or so years and have never spent any $200 a gallon on anything. Boat or not related. --------------------------------- Linear polyurethane. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
I wrote: When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. -------------------------------- "Steve B" wrote: What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. ----------------------------------- You are ****ing and moaning about the cost of a $20 spray can of adhesive. What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Be underwater? : ) Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
I wrote: When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. -------------------------------- "Steve B" wrote: What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. ----------------------------------- You are ****ing and moaning about the cost of a $20 spray can of adhesive. What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Maybe sell the damned boat... The time to worry about that is when it arrives. -- -Mike- |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message b.com... I wrote: When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. -------------------------------- "Steve B" wrote: What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. ----------------------------------- You are ****ing and moaning about the cost of a $20 spray can of adhesive. What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Lew In my class of boat, I just get another. Steve |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Lew I did recently. It cost me a whole $325 to get my rig overhauled. And now, with the new upholstery job, a new dash, bench, and wood bow I made, and some trailer work that cost me about $40 for parts, and my labor, I'm fully invested. All in all, I got $2,500 in that boat! And it's a dandy. A 16 footer with a 40 Merc, (carbs overhauled) troll motor, depth gauge, cline finder, seats, live well, lights, horn, trailer, new steering assembly ($180, sorry I forgot that), as well as a new stainless steel panel for the switches and fuses, some new cleats, new wiring, ............ life is good. I am easily satisfied. I am a crappie god at the local lake, and fish fear me. Steve |
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On Jun 26, 7:55*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Lew I did recently. *It cost me a whole $325 to get my rig overhauled. *And now, with the new upholstery job, a new dash, bench, and wood bow I made, and some trailer work that cost me about $40 for parts, and my labor, I'm fully invested. *All in all, I got $2,500 in that boat! And it's a dandy. *A 16 footer with a 40 Merc, (carbs overhauled) troll motor, depth gauge, cline finder, seats, live well, lights, horn, trailer, new steering assembly ($180, sorry I forgot that), as well as a new stainless steel panel for the switches and fuses, some new cleats, new wiring, ............ Do you have a plug for the drain hole? LOL. Sonny |
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On 6/26/2012 2:01 PM, Bill wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: I wrote: When it comes time to do and LP job on that boat at about $200/gal, you will know you're in the boat maintenance business. -------------------------------- "Steve B" wrote: What in he world are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense. ----------------------------------- You are ****ing and moaning about the cost of a $20 spray can of adhesive. What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Be underwater? : ) Lew "oh I hope not" Jose Jimenez |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote What are you going to do when you have to spend some serious money on boat repair? Lew I did recently. It cost me a whole $325 to get my rig overhauled. And now, with the new upholstery job, a new dash, bench, and wood bow I made, and some trailer work that cost me about $40 for parts, and my labor, I'm fully invested. All in all, I got $2,500 in that boat! And it's a dandy. A 16 footer with a 40 Merc, (carbs overhauled) troll motor, depth gauge, cline finder, seats, live well, lights, horn, trailer, new steering assembly ($180, sorry I forgot that), as well as a new stainless steel panel for the switches and fuses, some new cleats, new wiring, ............ life is good. I am easily satisfied. I am a crappie god at the local lake, and fish fear me. Steve You better get some monofilament thread or some polyester, otherwise your seats will come apart in about a year or two with nylon thread |
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"Steve B" wrote in
: *snip* I am easily satisfied. I am a crappie god at the local lake, and fish fear me. Steve ....and that's why I haven't caught anything. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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