A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

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Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Lew

..

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

--------------------------------------
Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for
the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials.

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

--------------------------------------
Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for
the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials.
================================================== ==============
Where do you find these "responsible elected officials".

CW wrote:

Where do you find these "responsible elected officials".

That's an oxmoron.

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"Mike Marlow" wrote:

That's an oxmoron.

Then what is: oxymoron?

Lew

On 5/8/2012 7:34 PM, CW wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

--------------------------------------
Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for
the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials.
================================================== ==============
Where do you find these "responsible elected officials".

You won't find them in an apathetic, superficial electorate, so get off
your lazy cynical asses and do something about it.

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================================================== ==============
Where do you find these "responsible elected officials".
===========================

"Swingman" wrote:

You won't find them in an apathetic, superficial electorate, so get
off your lazy cynical asses and do something about it.
---------------------------------
Like make sure Romney goes back to Bain Capital?

Lew

CW wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

--------------------------------------
Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote
for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected
officials.
================================================== ============== Where do
you find these "responsible elected officials".

If God had wanted us to have elections he would have given us candidates.

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On Wed, 9 May 2012 07:17:17 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

CW wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote:

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

--------------------------------------
Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters
and the IRS.

Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme
to defraud by someone not covered in the piece.

Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote
for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected
officials.
================================================== ============== Where do
you find these "responsible elected officials".

If God had wanted us to have elections he would have given us candidates.

And the last valid one of those was Ross Perot. I wrote him into the
primary ballot rather than waste a vote on someone I didn't like at
all. Don't vote. It only encourages them.

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Swingman wrote:
Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote
for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected
officials.

People who watch AI shouldn't vote anywhere else.


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On 5/8/2012 3:55 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!




why? Nothing will be done about it.

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The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for each
dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the filing
(hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and live with
the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of Mexico is not
sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing for a living(35
years+) and this reporter is completely wrong.

"tiredofspam" wrote in message
...

A friend just mailed me this.

If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already.


YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!!
Watch the newscast video and stay calm!


http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true

Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!!

wrote:

The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number
for each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS
rejects the filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a
US citizen and live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24).
being a resident of Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I
do this type of thing for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is
completely wrong.

I have to admit that I know nothing about this stuff at all, so I will
simply ask - what about this ITIN matter? It seems that this identifier is
equal to the requirment for an SSAN, but in fact does not require an SSAN as
you claim. From my not-so-educated standpoint, it's not so much what the
pieces of the code may state, or require, as much as it is what is actually
taking place. It seems that the IRS themselves have off-handedly admitted
that this does take place in their statements that they do not have the
authority to legislate and are simply following the "law". That causes me
to question your outright dismissal of this.

--

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On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote:
The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for
each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the
filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and
live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of
Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing
for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong.

The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the
reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS,
if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted
to it.

Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax

Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to
learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the
story:

http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions

http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants

So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the
IRS's statement:

Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service:

"The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these
credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of
taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS
shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders
is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies
it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its
programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on
requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As
TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the
legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the
Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of
the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically
for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing
stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to
refine and improve our processes."

So, who's the moron now, moron?

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well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You
do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS
number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and youre a
moron. sorry

"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote:
The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for
each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the
filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and
live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of
Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing
for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong.

The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the
reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS,
if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted
to it.

Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax

Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to
learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the
story:

http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions

http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants

So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the
IRS's statement:

Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service:

"The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these
credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of
taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS
shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders
is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies
it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its
programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on
requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As
TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the
legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the
Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of
the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically
for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing
stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to
refine and improve our processes."

So, who's the moron now, moron?

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In article ,
says...

well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You
do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS
number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and you?re a
moron. sorry

"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote:
The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for
each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the
filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and
live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of
Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing
for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong.

The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the
reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS,
if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted
to it.

Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax

Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to
learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the
story:

http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions

http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants

So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the
IRS's statement:

Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service:

"The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these
credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of
taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS
shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders
is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies
it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its
programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on
requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As
TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the
legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the
Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of
the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically
for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing
stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to
refine and improve our processes."

So, who's the moron now, moron?

The question I have about all of this is what kind of work this
"illegal" was doing that resulted in his owing $10,000 in income tax to
begin with.

On 5/9/2012 11:41 PM, wrote:

well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and
You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to
Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct
and youre a moron. sorry

You're just trying to be cutesy, You should be ashamed to call yourself
a tax preparer without the ability to read; you should be ashamed to be
a member of a profession that facilitates ripping off the tax payer:

From an _IRS field agent_ in California on May 9, 2012:

"'Based on what comes across his desk, he has seen the problem burgeon
in tax returns filed by Spanish-language tax preparers. Calling them
€œthe enablers and catalyst of this fraud,€� the Northern California
field-office agent noted their clients are more comfortable working with
preparers who speak their language. The preparers educate their clients
about greater returns they can receive the following year if they
qualify family members for the Additional Child Tax Credit refund. Its
a win-win-lose €“ the client learns how to get more money back from the
IRS, the preparer generates good will and repeat business, and the U.S.
taxpayers get soaked. Knowledge of the scam then spreads by word of mouth."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/irs-field...s-scam-system/

And, you are indeed a moron for being dissembling in continuing to
insist that this does not happen despite what the law says, and despite
the clear evidence to the contrary:

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
ATLANTA, GA 30308

WAGE AND INVESTMENT DIVISION

June 16, 2011

"It is important to recognize that unlike many other tax benefits, the
law does not require the _taxpayer_ or _eligible child_ to have a social
security number in order to receive the CTC or the ACTC. The IRS is
administering the law accordingly. Legislative changes would be required
to deny many of the claims discussed in the report."

Again, _read_ the report, moron:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...r.html#mgtresp

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Swingman wrote in
:

On 5/9/2012 11:41 PM, wrote:

well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24)
and You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you
HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm
correct and youre a moron. sorry

You're just trying to be cutesy, You should be ashamed to call
yourself a tax preparer without the ability to read; you should be
ashamed to be a member of a profession that facilitates ripping off
the tax payer:

From an _IRS field agent_ in California on May 9, 2012:

"'Based on what comes across his desk, he has seen the problem burgeon
in tax returns filed by Spanish-language tax preparers. Calling them
€œthe enablers and catalyst of this fraud,€� the Northern California
field-office agent noted their clients are more comfortable working
with preparers who speak their language. The preparers educate their
clients about greater returns they can receive the following year if
they qualify family members for the Additional Child Tax Credit
refund. Its a win-win-lose €“ the client learns how to get more
money back from the IRS, the preparer generates good will and repeat
business, and the U.S. taxpayers get soaked. Knowledge of the scam
then spreads by word of mouth."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/irs-field...gals-scam-syst
em/

And, you are indeed a moron for being dissembling in continuing to
insist that this does not happen despite what the law says, and
despite the clear evidence to the contrary:

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
ATLANTA, GA 30308

WAGE AND INVESTMENT DIVISION

June 16, 2011

"It is important to recognize that unlike many other tax benefits, the
law does not require the _taxpayer_ or _eligible child_ to have a
social security number in order to receive the CTC or the ACTC. The
IRS is administering the law accordingly. Legislative changes would be
required to deny many of the claims discussed in the report."

Again, _read_ the report, moron:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html
#mgtresp

This discussion has been enlightening. I recall that in years long past,
a SSN for dependents wasn't necessary. The numbers of dependents claimed
fell sharply when children and other dependents needed a SSN and full
name in order to be claimed on a tax return. Maybe our GD Congress-
critters could enact something similar for holders of an ITIN.

I like it that ITIN holders get to pay taxes. It reduces the stress on
SSA, Medicare and Medicaid. Too bad the ITIN holders might not get to
claim those benefits ... smirk.

Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good
immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ...

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