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A friend just mailed me this.
If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! |
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"tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Lew .. |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. -- www.ewoodshop.com |
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On 5/8/2012 3:55 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! why? Nothing will be done about it. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. ================================================== ============== Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote:
That's an oxmoron. Then what is: oxymoron? Lew |
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On 5/8/2012 7:34 PM, CW wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. ================================================== ============== Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". You won't find them in an apathetic, superficial electorate, so get off your lazy cynical asses and do something about it. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". =========================== "Swingman" wrote: You won't find them in an apathetic, superficial electorate, so get off your lazy cynical asses and do something about it. --------------------------------- Like make sure Romney goes back to Bain Capital? Lew |
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On Tue, 8 May 2012 19:19:17 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: ================================================== ============== Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". =========================== "Swingman" wrote: You won't find them in an apathetic, superficial electorate, so get off your lazy cynical asses and do something about it. --------------------------------- Like make sure Romney goes back to Bain Capital? Lew You're still guzzling that kool aid, aren't you? |
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CW wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. ================================================== ============== Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". If God had wanted us to have elections he would have given us candidates. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On Wed, 9 May 2012 07:17:17 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: CW wrote: "Swingman" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "tiredofspam" wrote: A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! -------------------------------------- Would appear that the real problem resides with the Congress Critters and the IRS. Illegal citizens are simply being used as part of an elaborate scheme to defraud by someone not covered in the piece. Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. ================================================== ============== Where do you find these "responsible elected officials". If God had wanted us to have elections he would have given us candidates. And the last valid one of those was Ross Perot. I wrote him into the primary ballot rather than waste a vote on someone I didn't like at all. Don't vote. It only encourages them. -- Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power. -- Seneca |
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Absolutely vote. Get rid of the incumbents.
When people vote for the current guy that means they are happy with the current system. If you are happy with the current system you must be milking it. NJ still hasn't had it's primary. But when it comes my vote goes for Ron Paul... I'm still reading the case for gold it took a while to get from another library system. He goes into the history of our system. and it is very ugly. Repeatedly our banks have screwed us. Defaulting and being propped up. Congress (useless *******s) has __repeatedly__ told them collect what is owed to you, but don't pay who you owe. We need to get honest people in. We need to replace all of them in one stroke. Notice how they have set it up to replace only 1/2 of them. To stabilize the system (orig intention) or to show the next generation of politicians how to work the system. Lew you probably didn't watch to the end, because it is the illegals who are working our system. Larry you should vote. Just vote for someone not in office. My thoughts are independents however strange their views are, are better than the 2 parties. They don't have the party lock that the Republicans and Dems have. So they work for their ideologies, and maybe the people too. The 2 parties are not working. They have instituted many laws that even prevent the Independents from getting a foot hold. Like Equal time, and the ability to be in the debates. Ever notice when it comes to the debates in November there are only 2 people. They passed laws that allow them to keep them out of those debates. On 5/9/2012 9:19 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: And the last valid one of those was Ross Perot. I wrote him into the primary ballot rather than waste a vote on someone I didn't like at all. Don't vote. It only encourages them. |
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The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for each
dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong. "tiredofspam" wrote in message ... A friend just mailed me this. If it doesn't infuriate you your numb already. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, but it is true!! Watch the newscast video and stay calm! http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&autostart=true Please pass this on to other honest tax payers!! |
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On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote:
The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong. The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS, if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted to it. Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the story: http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the IRS's statement: Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service: "The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to refine and improve our processes." So, who's the moron now, moron? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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"tiredofspam" wrote: Lew you probably didn't watch to the end, because it is the illegals who are working our system. ----------------------------------- Yes, I watched the entire thing. Are you suggesting that a group of illegals, many of whom are illiterate in their native language, have the ability to read and understand the US federal income tax laws, written in American English? Question. Do you prepare and file your own federal income tax forms? It is obvious that the illegals are being used as "mules" in an elaborate scheme to defraud the IRS. Lew |
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On Wed, 9 May 2012 12:44:30 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Are you suggesting that a group of illegals, many of whom are illiterate in their native language, have the ability to read and understand the US federal income tax laws, written in American English? Are you aware that ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the law? The fact that they are "illegals" says it all. Come on, get your head out of your ass. |
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I believe that they have been educated by their peers about this loophole.
As one of them said, Its available why not get it then. I have been working with Indians since 1987. Recently about 3-4 years ago one of them told me at lunch that most Indians lie about their birth date when they enter the country. They are tutored before coming here that if they claim they are older they can collect SS earlier if they stay here. Yes everyone but us honest folk work the system... I don't believe this was a mule thing. I think it fell through and some astute people realized it and passed the info along. On 5/9/2012 3:44 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "tiredofspam" wrote: Lew you probably didn't watch to the end, because it is the illegals who are working our system. ----------------------------------- Yes, I watched the entire thing. Are you suggesting that a group of illegals, many of whom are illiterate in their native language, have the ability to read and understand the US federal income tax laws, written in American English? Question. Do you prepare and file your own federal income tax forms? It is obvious that the illegals are being used as "mules" in an elaborate scheme to defraud the IRS. Lew |
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tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com writes:
I believe that they have been educated by their peers about this loophole. As one of them said, Its available why not get it then. I have been working with Indians since 1987. Recently about 3-4 years ago one of them told me at lunch that most Indians lie about their birth date when they enter the country. Given that their birthdate is on the passport they must use to apply for a residence permit or citizenship, I find this a bit hard to believe and quite unlikely. Also, given the number of americans of indian descent that I've worked with and called friends over the last thirty years, I call bull****. scott |
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wELL, IT'S IS NOT THAT HARD TO GET A PASSSPORT WITH A DIFFERENT BDAY IN
India. They don't have records like we do. And there is so much corruption that it is easy. My wife and another friend wound up doing the census, and many times when they asked the birth date the person would say they would have to get back to them. I know my birthday. Now the next question I have, is why would I not believe what the co worker told me? And while not confirmed it certainly starts looking plausible based on my wife's and friends census experience. So Scott, take your closest Indian friend and ask if it is possible, plausible, or whether they have any knowledge before you say it's bull****. On 5/9/2012 5:31 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: I believe that they have been educated by their peers about this loophole. As one of them said, Its available why not get it then. I have been working with Indians since 1987. Recently about 3-4 years ago one of them told me at lunch that most Indians lie about their birth date when they enter the country. Given that their birthdate is on the passport they must use to apply for a residence permit or citizenship, I find this a bit hard to believe and quite unlikely. Also, given the number of americans of indian descent that I've worked with and called friends over the last thirty years, I call bull****. scott |
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tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com writes:
wELL, IT'S IS NOT THAT HARD TO GET A PASSSPORT WITH A DIFFERENT BDAY IN India. They don't have records like we do. And there is so much corruption that it is easy. My wife and another friend wound up doing the census, and many times when they asked the birth date the person would say they would have to get back to them. I know my birthday. Now the next question I have, is why would I not believe what the co worker told me? And while not confirmed it certainly starts looking plausible based on my wife's and friends census experience. So Scott, take your closest Indian friend and ask if it is possible, plausible, or whether they have any knowledge before you say it's bull****. i'm sorry, whatever your name is, but it is up to you to prove your assertion, not up to me to disprove it. A simple anecdote told you by your coworker is not evidence of anything except your gullibility. scott |
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My co-worker was an Indian, and a friend. I was quite shocked.
I have no hard proof. But I do believe. My wife didn't believe, but now does based on how many Indians didn't know there birthdays. I think many 3rd world countries know more about how to get around our system. We are just naive. On 5/9/2012 6:45 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: wELL, IT'S IS NOT THAT HARD TO GET A PASSSPORT WITH A DIFFERENT BDAY IN India. They don't have records like we do. And there is so much corruption that it is easy. My wife and another friend wound up doing the census, and many times when they asked the birth date the person would say they would have to get back to them. I know my birthday. Now the next question I have, is why would I not believe what the co worker told me? And while not confirmed it certainly starts looking plausible based on my wife's and friends census experience. So Scott, take your closest Indian friend and ask if it is possible, plausible, or whether they have any knowledge before you say it's bull****. i'm sorry, whatever your name is, but it is up to you to prove your assertion, not up to me to disprove it. A simple anecdote told you by your coworker is not evidence of anything except your gullibility. scott |
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Swingman wrote: Nope, it resides with an apathetic electorate that would rather vote for the latest on American Idol instead of responsible elected officials. People who watch AI shouldn't vote anywhere else. -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
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well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You
do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and youre a moron. sorry "Swingman" wrote in message ... On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote: The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong. The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS, if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted to it. Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the story: http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the IRS's statement: Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service: "The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to refine and improve our processes." So, who's the moron now, moron? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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In article ,
says... well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and you?re a moron. sorry "Swingman" wrote in message ... On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, wrote: The reporter is a moron! You need to give a social security number for each dependent to get the credit. No SS number and the IRS rejects the filing (hence no refund at all) plus the child has to a US citizen and live with the taxpayer all year.(IRC section 24). being a resident of Mexico is not sufficient to claim the credit. I do this type of thing for a living(35 years+) and this reporter is completely wrong. The reporter was just reporting, the one who brought it to the reporter's attention was someone in the industry like you; and the IRS, if you had bothered to read the followups and supporting links, admitted to it. Would you believe the US Treasury Department which issued these report?: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...061fr.html#tax Just for you, here's the two part original story ... you might want to learn to follow links that point to supporting evidence provided in the story: http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/t...costs-billions http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/w...gal-immigrants So, if you're still on calling someone the reporter a moron, here is the IRS's statement: Full statement to WTHR from the Internal Revenue Service: "The law has been clear for over a decade that eligibility for these credits does not depend on work authorization status or the type of taxpayer identification number used. Any suggestion that the IRS shouldn't be paying out these credits under current law to ITIN holders is simply incorrect. The IRS administers the law impartially and applies it as it is written. If the law were changed, the IRS would change its programs accordingly. The IRS disagrees with TIGTA's recommendation on requiring additional documentation to verify child credit claims. As TIGTA acknowledges in this report, the IRS does not currently have the legal authority to verify and disallow the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit during return processing simply because of the lack of documentation. The IRS has procedures in place specifically for the evaluation of questionable credit claims early in the processing stream and prior to issuance of a refund. The IRS continues to work to refine and improve our processes." So, who's the moron now, moron? The question I have about all of this is what kind of work this "illegal" was doing that resulted in his owing $10,000 in income tax to begin with. |
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On 5/9/2012 11:41 PM, wrote:
well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and youre a moron. sorry You're just trying to be cutesy, You should be ashamed to call yourself a tax preparer without the ability to read; you should be ashamed to be a member of a profession that facilitates ripping off the tax payer: From an _IRS field agent_ in California on May 9, 2012: "'Based on what comes across his desk, he has seen the problem burgeon in tax returns filed by Spanish-language tax preparers. Calling them the enablers and catalyst of this fraud, the Northern California field-office agent noted their clients are more comfortable working with preparers who speak their language. The preparers educate their clients about greater returns they can receive the following year if they qualify family members for the Additional Child Tax Credit refund. Its a win-win-lose the client learns how to get more money back from the IRS, the preparer generates good will and repeat business, and the U.S. taxpayers get soaked. Knowledge of the scam then spreads by word of mouth." http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/irs-field...s-scam-system/ And, you are indeed a moron for being dissembling in continuing to insist that this does not happen despite what the law says, and despite the clear evidence to the contrary: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE ATLANTA, GA 30308 WAGE AND INVESTMENT DIVISION June 16, 2011 "It is important to recognize that unlike many other tax benefits, the law does not require the _taxpayer_ or _eligible child_ to have a social security number in order to receive the CTC or the ACTC. The IRS is administering the law accordingly. Legislative changes would be required to deny many of the claims discussed in the report." Again, _read_ the report, moron: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...r.html#mgtresp -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 5/9/2012 11:41 PM, wrote: well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and youre a moron. sorry You're just trying to be cutesy, You should be ashamed to call yourself a tax preparer without the ability to read; you should be ashamed to be a member of a profession that facilitates ripping off the tax payer: From an _IRS field agent_ in California on May 9, 2012: "'Based on what comes across his desk, he has seen the problem burgeon in tax returns filed by Spanish-language tax preparers. Calling them the enablers and catalyst of this fraud, the Northern California field-office agent noted their clients are more comfortable working with preparers who speak their language. The preparers educate their clients about greater returns they can receive the following year if they qualify family members for the Additional Child Tax Credit refund. Its a win-win-lose the client learns how to get more money back from the IRS, the preparer generates good will and repeat business, and the U.S. taxpayers get soaked. Knowledge of the scam then spreads by word of mouth." http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/irs-field...gals-scam-syst em/ And, you are indeed a moron for being dissembling in continuing to insist that this does not happen despite what the law says, and despite the clear evidence to the contrary: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE ATLANTA, GA 30308 WAGE AND INVESTMENT DIVISION June 16, 2011 "It is important to recognize that unlike many other tax benefits, the law does not require the _taxpayer_ or _eligible child_ to have a social security number in order to receive the CTC or the ACTC. The IRS is administering the law accordingly. Legislative changes would be required to deny many of the claims discussed in the report." Again, _read_ the report, moron: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html #mgtresp This discussion has been enlightening. I recall that in years long past, a SSN for dependents wasn't necessary. The numbers of dependents claimed fell sharply when children and other dependents needed a SSN and full name in order to be claimed on a tax return. Maybe our GD Congress- critters could enact something similar for holders of an ITIN. I like it that ITIN holders get to pay taxes. It reduces the stress on SSA, Medicare and Medicaid. Too bad the ITIN holders might not get to claim those benefits ... smirk. Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 5/10/2012 8:46 AM, Han wrote:
Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... As long as professional politicians are allowed, they will continue to pander to special interest groups. I agree that a guest worker program would reasonably solve a lot of problems, but I'm afraid that, with the lawyer logic being used in government these days, it would not be the panacea we would hope for ... these folks seem entirely incapable of exercising any measure that benefits the country before themselves. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 5/10/2012 8:46 AM, Han wrote: Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... As long as professional politicians are allowed, they will continue to pander to special interest groups. I agree that a guest worker program would reasonably solve a lot of problems, but I'm afraid that, with the lawyer logic being used in government these days, it would not be the panacea we would hope for ... these folks seem entirely incapable of exercising any measure that benefits the country before themselves. Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 10 May 2012 13:46:10 GMT, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in m: On 5/9/2012 11:41 PM, wrote: well swingman I guess you are. I did quote the law (IRC section 24) and You do have to be a citizen to get the credit (which means you HAVE to Have a SS number, a TIN simply does not work). So I guess I'm correct and youre a moron. sorry You're just trying to be cutesy, You should be ashamed to call yourself a tax preparer without the ability to read; you should be ashamed to be a member of a profession that facilitates ripping off the tax payer: From an _IRS field agent_ in California on May 9, 2012: "'Based on what comes across his desk, he has seen the problem burgeon in tax returns filed by Spanish-language tax preparers. Calling them the enablers and catalyst of this fraud,? the Northern California field-office agent noted their clients are more comfortable working with preparers who speak their language. The preparers educate their clients about greater returns they can receive the following year if they qualify family members for the Additional Child Tax Credit refund. Its a win-win-lose the client learns how to get more money back from the IRS, the preparer generates good will and repeat business, and the U.S. taxpayers get soaked. Knowledge of the scam then spreads by word of mouth." http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/irs-field...gals-scam-syst em/ And, you are indeed a moron for being dissembling in continuing to insist that this does not happen despite what the law says, and despite the clear evidence to the contrary: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE ATLANTA, GA 30308 WAGE AND INVESTMENT DIVISION June 16, 2011 "It is important to recognize that unlike many other tax benefits, the law does not require the _taxpayer_ or _eligible child_ to have a social security number in order to receive the CTC or the ACTC. The IRS is administering the law accordingly. Legislative changes would be required to deny many of the claims discussed in the report." Again, _read_ the report, moron: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...1141061fr.html #mgtresp This discussion has been enlightening. I recall that in years long past, a SSN for dependents wasn't necessary. The numbers of dependents claimed fell sharply when children and other dependents needed a SSN and full name in order to be claimed on a tax return. Maybe our GD Congress- critters could enact something similar for holders of an ITIN. I like it that ITIN holders get to pay taxes. It reduces the stress on SSA, Medicare and Medicaid. Too bad the ITIN holders might not get to claim those benefits ... smirk. Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... +1 -- Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power. -- Seneca |
OT Illegals getting huge tax returns.
On 5/10/2012 9:14 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in : On 5/10/2012 8:46 AM, Han wrote: Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... As long as professional politicians are allowed, they will continue to pander to special interest groups. I agree that a guest worker program would reasonably solve a lot of problems, but I'm afraid that, with the lawyer logic being used in government these days, it would not be the panacea we would hope for ... these folks seem entirely incapable of exercising any measure that benefits the country before themselves. Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. I once mentioned to my son that there should be a lottery and or a requirement that government officials are not elected rather they are randomly chosen. Not totally unlike jury duty. |
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Han wrote:
This discussion has been enlightening. I recall that in years long past, a SSN for dependents wasn't necessary. The numbers of dependents claimed fell sharply when children and other dependents needed a SSN and full name in order to be claimed on a tax return. That may be true, but I do not remember such a thing. Can you provide any kind of reference to this claim? Otherwise, it's just one of those claims that sound good, but... Maybe our GD Congress- critters could enact something similar for holders of an ITIN. Oh God Han! Please don't expect those idiots to do anything smart! I like it that ITIN holders get to pay taxes. It reduces the stress on SSA, Medicare and Medicaid. I'm not sure of that Han. I'm curious about how much this new category really enables less of that, rather than more of it. Don't know - just curious. Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... Certainly a component of an overall strategy, but not by far, the single effective component. -- -Mike- |
OT Illegals getting huge tax returns.
"Mike Marlow" wrote in
: Han wrote: This discussion has been enlightening. I recall that in years long past, a SSN for dependents wasn't necessary. The numbers of dependents claimed fell sharply when children and other dependents needed a SSN and full name in order to be claimed on a tax return. That may be true, but I do not remember such a thing. Can you provide any kind of reference to this claim? Otherwise, it's just one of those claims that sound good, but... My memory didn't fail me. I found this pdf: http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...issingKids.pdf If you do a Find for IRS you'll find the statement: quote As of 1987, filers were newly required to report a Social Security Number (SSN) for all dependents over the age of 5. Given this information, it was relatively easy for the IRS to verify the existence of dependents and to check that they were not listed on multiple returns, and consequently the probability of cheating without detection fell precipitously. The response to this change in reporting rules was pronounced. Our data show that the number of dependents claimed in 1987 fell by 5.5%, which is equivalent to 4.2 "missing children". /quote Maybe our GD Congress- critters could enact something similar for holders of an ITIN. Oh God Han! Please don't expect those idiots to do anything smart! They react to pressure from lobbyists, don't they? I am always optimistic ... I like it that ITIN holders get to pay taxes. It reduces the stress on SSA, Medicare and Medicaid. I'm not sure of that Han. I'm curious about how much this new category really enables less of that, rather than more of it. Don't know - just curious. Seems to me they (and their employer has to pay taxes on the wages. I doubt that an ITIN will be honored like a SSN for benefits, but it probably should - after all the ITIN holder did pay into the system ... Of course, all this nonsense would go away if the US had a good immigration policy, that was indeed enforceable ... Certainly a component of an overall strategy, but not by far, the single effective component. We are talking about 2 different things here. Enforcing taxation policies, and enforcing immigration rules. They get intertwined here, but it is really very clear that allowing people into the country without having a way to check on whether they follow the rules (no work unless they have the right kind of visum, leave when their time is up, etc) is folly. I lump illegal entry here together with legal entry, but illegal staying. Overstaying your visum is easy, nobody cares. It might be difficult to re-enter if your visum expired, but that is another question. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Han wrote:
My memory didn't fail me. I found this pdf: http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...issingKids.pdf If you do a Find for IRS you'll find the statement: quote As of 1987, filers were newly required to report a Social Security Number (SSN) for all dependents over the age of 5. Given this information, it was relatively easy for the IRS to verify the existence of dependents and to check that they were not listed on multiple returns, and consequently the probability of cheating without detection fell precipitously. The response to this change in reporting rules was pronounced. Our data show that the number of dependents claimed in 1987 fell by 5.5%, which is equivalent to 4.2 "missing children". /quote Good stuff Han. I had completely forgotten that I didn't even get my own SSAN until I got my working papers in school. Doesn't look like it was a sharp decline, but you educated me on that point all the same. -- -Mike- |
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Leon wrote:
On 5/10/2012 9:14 AM, Han wrote: Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. I once mentioned to my son that there should be a lottery and or a requirement that government officials are not elected rather they are randomly chosen. Not totally unlike jury duty. I've been advocating the "ransomly drawn" idea for years. When I lived in Hawaii I knew many of the legislators, bounced the idea off them. To a man, they thought it was a rotten idea which confirms my belief that it is a good one. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On 5/11/2012 5:42 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Leon wrote: On 5/10/2012 9:14 AM, Han wrote: Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. I once mentioned to my son that there should be a lottery and or a requirement that government officials are not elected rather they are randomly chosen. Not totally unlike jury duty. I've been advocating the "ransomly drawn" idea for years. When I lived in Hawaii I knew many of the legislators, bounced the idea off them. To a man, they thought it was a rotten idea which confirms my belief that it is a good one. That might be OK if the random drawing picked, say, Cliff Huxtable. But would you want a legislature full of Archie Bunkers? |
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On 5/11/2012 12:24 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 5/11/2012 5:42 AM, dadiOH wrote: Leon wrote: On 5/10/2012 9:14 AM, Han wrote: Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. I once mentioned to my son that there should be a lottery and or a requirement that government officials are not elected rather they are randomly chosen. Not totally unlike jury duty. I've been advocating the "ransomly drawn" idea for years. When I lived in Hawaii I knew many of the legislators, bounced the idea off them. To a man, they thought it was a rotten idea which confirms my belief that it is a good one. That might be OK if the random drawing picked, say, Cliff Huxtable. But would you want a legislature full of Archie Bunkers? Then it would not be random would it. And as far as I am concerned we have worse than Archie Bunker now, Archie Bunker would be an improvement. |
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Wondering wrote:
That might be OK if the random drawing picked, say, Cliff Huxtable. But would you want a legislature full of Archie Bunkers? --------------------------------- Sounds like you are describing the current election cycle. Lew |
OT Illegals getting huge tax returns.
On 5/11/2012 11:42 AM, Leon wrote:
On 5/11/2012 12:24 PM, Just Wondering wrote: On 5/11/2012 5:42 AM, dadiOH wrote: Leon wrote: On 5/10/2012 9:14 AM, Han wrote: Someone said we should go back to administration as was done in ancient Athens (I didn't look up the details). The names of all vote-eligible citizens would be put into a pot and someone would blindly draw names to be assigned administrative jobs. A new lottery would be done every so often, so there wouldn't be entrenched administrators. The only criterion was that they had to work for the benefit of Athens. The US is too averse of professional administrators for fear of corruption, but corruption by congress is allowed almost unfettered, alas. Something needs to be done so the people will benefit eventually. I once mentioned to my son that there should be a lottery and or a requirement that government officials are not elected rather they are randomly chosen. Not totally unlike jury duty. I've been advocating the "ransomly drawn" idea for years. When I lived in Hawaii I knew many of the legislators, bounced the idea off them. To a man, they thought it was a rotten idea which confirms my belief that it is a good one. That might be OK if the random drawing picked, say, Cliff Huxtable. But would you want a legislature full of Archie Bunkers? Then it would not be random would it. It absolutely could be, and if you do not understand why, then you do not understand what random actually means. A random drawing would not guarantee a uniform cross section. Just as it is possible to flip a coin 4 times and get heads each time, or roll 7 with four successive rolls of the dice, or deal a hand of cards holding three aces, a random drawing would certainly allow a legislature full of people you certainly would not want passing laws. Since by definition half of all people are below average in education, or intelligence, or experience, or any other measure of competence, and half are below average in being susceptible to influence peddling, bribery extortion, blackmail, a random drawing, over the long run, would virtually guarantee that about half of the time you would get a legislature that is below average in competence, and below average in being susceptible to control by others with their own private agendas. While in the long run a random drawing would be reasonably expected to obtain legislators approximating a reasonably uniform cross section of the population from which it is drawn, that is not true of any single selection cycle. And just as in 10,000 tosses of a coin you are likely somewhere to find four or five heads in a row, over the long run, a random drawing would almost guarantee at least one legislature completely filled with people who are incompetent and unqualified by any reasonable definition. And as far as I am concerned we have worse than Archie Bunker now, Archie Bunker would be an improvement. Surely you jest. Archie Bunker was well meaning, but he was also a bigoted, sexist racist who usually made knee-jerk decisions and seldom gave serious thought to any idea that challenged his prejudices. That's not the kind of person I would want making laws that would control what I can and can't do. But assuming you would actually prefer a legislature full of Archie Bunkers, I only used him as an example. If you are a liberal Democrat, a random drawing could certainly fill your legislature with conservative Republicans. Or, if you're a libertarian, a random drawing could get you a legislature full of socialists, or fascists. Or vice versa for any of those examples. And what about free choice? What if someone doesn't want to serve? If you make him or her serve anyway, that's slavery. If you let them decline service, then you've lost the randomness. Your legislators who thought it a rotten idea were right. |
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