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I just finished my version of Thomas Stangeland's Anderson Server that's
pictured in Darrell Peart's book G&G Design Elements book. Photos are up
in photobucket http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy180/trsni
der/Greene%20and%20Greene%20Table.(delete the s in the link --
trying to spambot proof).

I took a lot of time working out dimensions and proportions with the
bracket sizes, lower shelf support (angles, width, placement,...),
drawer sizes, .. Cardboard models helped with dimension / placement
choices for the overall look.

I was going to build it out of maple initially and got talked into alder
at the place where I get lumber. Alder was a mixed blessing - really
easy to work with but very susceptible to dings, dents, scratches, and
finishing woes. Frame construction was straight forward. No major
mishaps except the shelf mortises on the back were cut on the wrong
third of the back legs. But that's really not noticeable unless you're
familiar with the design. Details of the plug holes, shapes of ebony
inserts, and finishing make (or break) the piece. The alder was almost
too soft to get a nice crisp plug hole. Shaping the plug tops took some
(well a lot) of time to get right. I didn't try the jig in your book, I
just free handed them and polished them up on the grinder.

I finally understood the point of care during finish sanding. The
radiuses everywhere could've used more attention. 1/8" on alder
disappeared quickly with surface sanding. Maybe the radius would've
stayed defined on a harder wood.

Finishing almost broke the piece. I put a wash coat of shellac down
first. The main finish was clear shellac, amber shellac, and medium
brown tint. I was trying to simulate a mahogany finish, maybe a slight
degree of success. Next time I'll finish the piece prior to assembly and
insertion of the plugs. I think that would help a lot. You'll probably
see a lot of finishing issues in the pictures.

I think the lines of the table are great. Next time I'll probably try
the piece with a different type of lumber. Have you ever seen a Greene
and Greene piece out of walnut with maple plugs? Thinking about
something like that. It'd be different but maybe not in a good way.

BTW - You can see in my 'auction' album on photobucket. I scored big in
the lumber dept. The man had cut, dried, and milled oak and walnut. I
bought ~350 bd ft of walnut for 1.20 a bd foot. Most of the pieces are
7" - 14" wide and 9-11 ft long. I also got 5 pieces of red oak 15-18"
wide 11 ft long for $40 total. There was also a stack of 4 pieces of oak
26" + wide x 11 ft. long. I didn't buy that - just didn't know what to
do with pieces that massive. He had ~14 piles of lumber with 100-150 bd.
Ft. in each pile. It was a great sale!
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I think you did a great job. Excellent grain match on the front
drawers & frame....^5! Actually, it may have been best to use the
softer alder lumber, for your first table, to see which details needs
most attention and why.

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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:41:49 GMT, notImpressed wrote:

I just finished my version of Thomas Stangeland's Anderson Server that's
pictured in Darrell Peart's book G&G Design Elements book. Photos are up
in photobucket http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy180/trsni
der/Greene%20and%20Greene%20Table.(delete the s in the link --
trying to spambot proof).


I'd like to see it, but I'm not going to go through all that trouble
of making the link work. Why not try tinyURL?
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:36:03 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
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I think you did a great job. Excellent grain match on the front
drawers & frame....^5! Actually, it may have been best to use the
softer alder lumber, for your first table, to see which details needs
most attention and why.


Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.) sigh
There are no picture-sizing controls on the page, either, and the View
Full Website link takes me to the Photobucket home page. sigh2
Oh, bother!

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Larry

Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.) sigh


Use the 'slideshow' option

Steve




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On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:36:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I think you did a great job. Excellent grain match on the front
drawers& frame....^5! Actually, it may have been best to use the
softer alder lumber, for your first table, to see which details needs
most attention and why.


Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.)sigh
There are no picture-sizing controls on the page, either, and the View
Full Website link takes me to the Photobucket home page.sigh2
Oh, bother!

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Believe nothing.
No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.
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Clearly "you" are "notImpressed".
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:33 +1000, "Stephen Quinn"
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Larry

Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.) sigh


Use the 'slideshow' option


On my third trip there, I found that it's the mobile site. You need to
view it on a phone to see it larger. Feh! That's a shame.

Slideshow option? Where? I didn't see one. Aha, _today_, the View
Full Website doesn't take me to the mobile page any more. Slideshow is
an option there!

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No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.
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Deleting a few s is troubling?

Also, I had no problem seeing normal size pics or enlarging the pics.

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Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:33 +1000, "Stephen Quinn"
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Larry

Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.) sigh


Use the 'slideshow' option


On my third trip there, I found that it's the mobile site. You need to
view it on a phone to see it larger. Feh! That's a shame.

Slideshow option? Where? I didn't see one. Aha, _today_, the View
Full Website doesn't take me to the mobile page any more. Slideshow is
an option there!


If you'd just clicked on the first picture, It would have opened up, with
next and previous arrowheads.

Here is a tinyurl preview:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cwhh3nz


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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:31:51 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
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On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:36:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I think you did a great job. Excellent grain match on the front
drawers& frame....^5! Actually, it may have been best to use the
softer alder lumber, for your first table, to see which details needs
most attention and why.


Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.)sigh
There are no picture-sizing controls on the page, either, and the View
Full Website link takes me to the Photobucket home page.sigh2
Oh, bother!


Clearly "you" are "notImpressed".


Oh, I was not impressed, but I certainly wasn't notImpressed, LeOn.

But I'm a proud cynic, libertarian, believer in: abortion/2nd
Amendment/free markets/dust masks/eye&ear protection, disbeliever in:
Anthropogenic Global Warming (Kumbaya)/asbestos/lead/silicone/saw
scares, DEMs, etc!

Now, I know you'll instantly cry foul at that, so let me preempt some
of it. Nobody should eat lead, breathe sawdust/asbestos, etc, but the
scares are mostly UNfounded. 90% of the asbestos produced is of the
much safer variety and only those people who worked in the bad stuff
for years/decades, totally unprotected, are getting asbestosis (a
=very= nasty condition.)

Most of us played with mercury as kids and didn't die or sicken, but
it can kill. I followed the DDT truck every year (fogging around the
Base Lake) as a kid and later tested for a 132 IQ. Every single time
the computer models are updated, the global warming scare factor
diminishes another notch or two. No silicone breast implant deaths
occurred. And damage/uselessness from Democrats [large gov't, ACLU,
Wars on Poverty/Drugs/Terror (some started by REPs but usurped and/or
expanded by DEMs), healthcare initiatives which will bankrupt the
public (the portion which can't opt out) while filling the pockets of
the health insurers and doctors while not protecting much of anyone,
etc] are self-evident. (To be honest, Republicans don't fare much
better after BigGovShrub.) Lead ammo was never found to be the
culprit in high levels of lead in un-shot animals, et cetera, ad
nauseam. And it's truly a shame that a certain saw manufacturer took
the tack which priced his safety device -out-of- the-reach- of 90% of
the woodworking public when he could have been both a hero and made
millions off the ubiquitous use of the device.

I hope this doesn't tilt the thread slightly off track. titter

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No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
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On 25 Apr 2012 14:17:16 GMT, Han wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:33 +1000, "Stephen Quinn"
wrote:

Larry

Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.) sigh

Use the 'slideshow' option


On my third trip there, I found that it's the mobile site. You need to
view it on a phone to see it larger. Feh! That's a shame.

Slideshow option? Where? I didn't see one. Aha, _today_, the View
Full Website doesn't take me to the mobile page any more. Slideshow is
an option there!


If you'd just clicked on the first picture, It would have opened up, with
next and previous arrowheads.

Here is a tinyurl preview:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cwhh3nz


Yesterday, it went directly to the mobile website and stayed there
even when I clicked the Full View Website. All I got were 2x2" pics.

Today I can see the larger pics, so -something- changed.

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Believe nothing.
No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.
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On 4/25/2012 9:32 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:31:51 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:36:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I think you did a great job. Excellent grain match on the front
drawers& frame....^5! Actually, it may have been best to use the
softer alder lumber, for your first table, to see which details needs
most attention and why.

Jeeze, how can you tell with those phone-sized (thumbnails) pics?
(I might agree if I could actually _see_ the table.)sigh
There are no picture-sizing controls on the page, either, and the View
Full Website link takes me to the Photobucket home page.sigh2
Oh, bother!


Clearly "you" are "notImpressed".


Oh, I was not impressed, but I certainly wasn't notImpressed, LeOn.

But I'm a proud cynic, libertarian, believer in: abortion/2nd
Amendment/free markets/dust masks/eye&ear protection, disbeliever in:
Anthropogenic Global Warming (Kumbaya)/asbestos/lead/silicone/saw
scares, DEMs, etc!

Now, I know you'll instantly cry foul at that, so let me preempt some
of it. Nobody should eat lead, breathe sawdust/asbestos, etc, but the
scares are mostly UNfounded. 90% of the asbestos produced is of the
much safer variety and only those people who worked in the bad stuff
for years/decades, totally unprotected, are getting asbestosis (a
=very= nasty condition.)

Most of us played with mercury as kids and didn't die or sicken, but
it can kill. I followed the DDT truck every year (fogging around the
Base Lake) as a kid and later tested for a 132 IQ. Every single time
the computer models are updated, the global warming scare factor
diminishes another notch or two. No silicone breast implant deaths
occurred. And damage/uselessness from Democrats [large gov't, ACLU,
Wars on Poverty/Drugs/Terror (some started by REPs but usurped and/or
expanded by DEMs), healthcare initiatives which will bankrupt the
public (the portion which can't opt out) while filling the pockets of
the health insurers and doctors while not protecting much of anyone,
etc] are self-evident. (To be honest, Republicans don't fare much
better after BigGovShrub.) Lead ammo was never found to be the
culprit in high levels of lead in un-shot animals, et cetera, ad
nauseam. And it's truly a shame that a certain saw manufacturer took
the tack which priced his safety device -out-of- the-reach- of 90% of
the woodworking public when he could have been both a hero and made
millions off the ubiquitous use of the device.

I hope this doesn't tilt the thread slightly off track.titter


I certainly hope you did not respond with all of that form me...
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On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:41:49 PM UTC-7, notImpressed wrote:
I just finished my version of Thomas Stangeland's Anderson Server that's
pictured in Darrell Peart's book G&G Design Elements book. Photos are up
in photobucket http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy180/trsni
der/Greene%20and%20Greene%20Table.(delete the s in the link --
trying to spambot proof).

I took a lot of time working out dimensions and proportions with the
bracket sizes, lower shelf support (angles, width, placement,...),
drawer sizes, .. Cardboard models helped with dimension / placement
choices for the overall look.

I was going to build it out of maple initially and got talked into alder
at the place where I get lumber. Alder was a mixed blessing - really
easy to work with but very susceptible to dings, dents, scratches, and
finishing woes. Frame construction was straight forward. No major
mishaps except the shelf mortises on the back were cut on the wrong
third of the back legs. But that's really not noticeable unless you're
familiar with the design. Details of the plug holes, shapes of ebony
inserts, and finishing make (or break) the piece. The alder was almost
too soft to get a nice crisp plug hole. Shaping the plug tops took some
(well a lot) of time to get right. I didn't try the jig in your book, I
just free handed them and polished them up on the grinder.

I finally understood the point of care during finish sanding. The
radiuses everywhere could've used more attention. 1/8" on alder
disappeared quickly with surface sanding. Maybe the radius would've
stayed defined on a harder wood.

Finishing almost broke the piece. I put a wash coat of shellac down
first. The main finish was clear shellac, amber shellac, and medium
brown tint. I was trying to simulate a mahogany finish, maybe a slight
degree of success. Next time I'll finish the piece prior to assembly and
insertion of the plugs. I think that would help a lot. You'll probably
see a lot of finishing issues in the pictures.

I think the lines of the table are great. Next time I'll probably try
the piece with a different type of lumber. Have you ever seen a Greene
and Greene piece out of walnut with maple plugs? Thinking about
something like that. It'd be different but maybe not in a good way.

BTW - You can see in my 'auction' album on photobucket. I scored big in
the lumber dept. The man had cut, dried, and milled oak and walnut. I
bought ~350 bd ft of walnut for 1.20 a bd foot. Most of the pieces are
7" - 14" wide and 9-11 ft long. I also got 5 pieces of red oak 15-18"
wide 11 ft long for $40 total. There was also a stack of 4 pieces of oak
26" + wide x 11 ft. long. I didn't buy that - just didn't know what to
do with pieces that massive. He had ~14 piles of lumber with 100-150 bd.
Ft. in each pile. It was a great sale!


Really nice work. I actually thought the finish was well done and wouldn't have guessed Alder. I would have made the cloud lifts a little "pillowe-er" and I agree the edges lookm a bit sharp in a few places but those are just preferences and have nothing to do with the quality. Very nice.

Walnut and Maple? Sorry, not for me. Maybe Cherry and Ebony or Africian Mohag like Derrel uses.
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