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For all you cheap *******s that don't get the e-mails:
18V, Cordless 4 Tool Combo Pack 90374-3VGA $29.99 This stuff has gotta be dangerous! Kevin -- ===== |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton" calmly ranted: For all you cheap *******s that don't get the e-mails: 18V, Cordless 4 Tool Combo Pack 90374-3VGA $29.99 This stuff has gotta be dangerous! g Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached. Pay attention before you buy! ------------------------------------------------- - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------- I'd place bets on the price of an extra/replacement battery pack being about $50-$60 ;) |
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Kevin Singleton wrote:
For all you cheap *******s that don't get the e-mails: 18V, Cordless 4 Tool Combo Pack 90374-3VGA $29.99 This stuff has gotta be dangerous! Kevin Its useful life is directly proportional to the amount of use it gets. If you never use it, it will last forever. :-) mahalo, jo4hn |
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....and on this tool they say it themselves..."almost impossible to use" laughs.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1701 However HF is great for clamps made of iron and steel, super cheap shipping . I bought 4 1/2" pipe clamps they work great, and 4 24" bar clamps and work great. In store purchase though. Alex |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
calmly ranted: For all you cheap *******s that don't get the e-mails: 18V, Cordless 4 Tool Combo Pack 90374-3VGA $29.99 This stuff has gotta be dangerous! g Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached. Pay attention before you buy! ------------------------------------------------- - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------- |
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"AArDvarK" wrote in message news:P%CNc.833$wz.566@fed1read01... ...and on this tool they say it themselves..."almost impossible to use" laughs. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1701 Err... you might want to read that again :) I think it says: "almost impossible to lose" :-) Regards, Dean Bielanowski Editor, Online Tool Reviews http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com Over 50 woodworking product reviews online! ------------------------------------------------------------ Latest 6 Reviews: - Pocket Hole Drilling Jig Project Book - Kreg Universal Bench Klamp - GRR-Ripper System & MJ Splitter - Spaceage Ceramic Bandsaw Guides - Infinity "Dadonator" Stacked Dado Set - Triton Powered Respirator ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). "Eugene" wrote in message ... Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton" calmly ranted: For all you cheap *******s that don't get the e-mails: 18V, Cordless 4 Tool Combo Pack 90374-3VGA $29.99 This stuff has gotta be dangerous! g Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached. Pay attention before you buy! ------------------------------------------------- - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------- I'd place bets on the price of an extra/replacement battery pack being about $50-$60 ;) |
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Err... you might want to read that again :) I think it says: "almost impossible to lose" yes I did see that later, sorryyyyyy! Alex |
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Tim Douglass wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" wrote: A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent. The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK. Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. YMMV Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of them. I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style battery. I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to 2004. So if you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year on cordless tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both spent about the same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration by having better quality tools for those 13 years. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" wrote:
A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent. The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK. Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. YMMV Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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"Tim Douglass" wrote in message
... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" wrote: A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent. The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. Voltage is not the only thing that determines the power in the motor. Remember that you can but 120V AC motors from 1/60HP to at least 2 HP Norm |
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Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 5:06pm (EDT+4) (Eugene)
claims: I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of them. I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style battery. I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to 2004. So if you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year on cordless tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both spent about the same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration by having better quality tools for those 13 years. Hmm, OK, if we're comparing, then here's my tale. Still have, and use, the B&D drill I bought new in 1976. If I recall right, I paid about $18, but certainly no more than $20, for it. Battery cost over the years - it's corded, so zero. However, I did buy a new whatchamacallit to loosen the thingie that holds the drill (technical terms), for about $3, so say a total of $23 invested. So, if you divide $23 by 28 years, that comes out to about $.82 per year. Plus, I have saved a huge amount of frustration by not having to charge batteries, or buy new ones, because the old ones won't charge. Well, actually I have bought a few etxension cords over the years, but as they are normally used for something other than drill use, I'm not counting them. Putting up with cords while using my drill is worth $46 a year, any time. JOAT Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. I have the 18v Ryobis and like them fine; but my 12v DeWalt is more powerful. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" calmly ranted:
A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I got the $99 Ryobi set and it worked fine for 2 years. Now both batteries decided to go tits-up. I'm getting 4 minutes of service apiece from them and they die in 3 days without any use. Time for alternative sourcing. Anyone use the Ebay battery people, PowerGears ? ------------------------------------------------- - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------- |
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I got one of those Chicago drywall cut-out tools for 20 bucks and
coudn't be happier with it. The plastic base didn't last long, so I fabbed up a sturdier one. For me to go to that much trouble for a twenty dollar tool means a lot! |
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In article , J T
wrote: Hmm, OK, if we're comparing, then here's my tale. Still have, and use, the B&D drill I bought new in 1976. If I recall right, I paid about $18, but certainly no more than $20, for it. I have the B&D corded drill my father won for free as part of a gas station grand opening, circa 1970. It's a 1/4" drill, aluminum housing (definitely not double insulated!), single speed, no reverse, with a two-finger grip. That sucker will still spin a bit with zero wobble, after many years of abuse, and will twist right out of your hand if you're not paying attention. I don't use it for drilling because it's single speed, but it's perfect for chucking up a grinding stone to sharpen mower blades, etc. Oh, and a tank of gas at 1970 prices was probably three bucks. And 34 years later, I'll put my $0.09 per year into the pot. :-) Kevin |
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Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 10:16pm (EDT+4) (Eugene) says:
I prefer the cordless. snip They also worked well helping dad build the barn 1/2 mile on top of a mountain in WV where there are no electric lines. snip That's why they invented generators. My kids both use cordless tools. The "however" is, they both do A/C work, and don't have access to power most of the time. So, as part of their work they pretty much have to - hand tools would slow them down too much. I think it's DeWalt they swear by, all the workers in this area do. Circular saw, drill, sawzall, the whole package. However, they both normally use corded tools, or air tools, when they do anything at home. As long as I've got access to power, I'll used corded, or air, tools. Otherwise, I'll use hand tools. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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J T wrote:
Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 10:16pm (EDT+4) (Eugene) says: I prefer the cordless. snip They also worked well helping dad build the barn 1/2 mile on top of a mountain in WV where there are no electric lines. snip That's why they invented generators. My kids both use cordless tools. The "however" is, they both do A/C work, and don't have access to power most of the time. So, as part of their work they pretty much have to - hand tools would slow them down too much. I think it's DeWalt they swear by, all the workers in this area do. Circular saw, drill, sawzall, the whole package. However, they both normally use corded tools, or air tools, when they do anything at home. As long as I've got access to power, I'll used corded, or air, tools. Otherwise, I'll use hand tools. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have spent more than buying the cordless ;) My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to carry on a John Deere. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:06:13 +0000, Eugene
wrote: Tim Douglass wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" wrote: A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent. The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK. Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. YMMV Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of them. I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style battery. I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to 2004. So if you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year on cordless tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both spent about the same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration by having better quality tools for those 13 years. Yeah, but my 9.6 Makita from way back when only lasted about 2 years. Not the fault of the tool, they just aren't engineered to take a 12' 2x6 falling on them. For a long time I mostly used my cordless tools for remodeling work or for farm stuff. It really doesn't matter if they are good ones or cheap junk, you're going to destroy them long before they wear out. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:59 -0400, (Tom
Dooley) wrote: I got one of those Chicago drywall cut-out tools for 20 bucks and coudn't be happier with it. The plastic base didn't last long, so I fabbed up a sturdier one. For me to go to that much trouble for a twenty dollar tool means a lot! That's another one. When they hit $20 I couldn't pass it up. So far the base on mine is holding up fine after a couple of drywall jobs. I'm actually pleased and surprised with it. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
Eugene writes: Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have spent more than buying the cordless ;) My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to carry on a John Deere. So, you're a woodworker, right? Design and build a platform that mounts on the 3-point hitch. May even end up useful for more than just the generator. (Unless your deere is old enough that it doesn't _have_ a three-point hitch :-) scott The crawler, or more commonly called a bulldozer:) doesn't. Interesting old 2 cly engine with a 4 cyl distributer on it with two positions capped off. Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;) |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:52:50 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote:
Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. YMMV MMDV (my mileage did vary) I bought the 12 volt Ryobi contractors driver a couple of years ago. The first one twisted off the chuck within a month of purchase. Sheared it right off. HD replaced it, but now neither battery will take a charge-- they just sit in the charger and blink red. So in a burst of "brilliance," I went back to HD and bought the 12 volt "consumer" driver for 50 bucks, since new batts for the old driver were $40, and the new driver came with 2 12 volt batts. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the new Ryobi 12 volt batts do not fit the old Ryobi 12 volt driver. Oh well. Might be a while before I buy another Ryobi tool. |
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Tim Douglass wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:59 -0400, (Tom Dooley) wrote: I got one of those Chicago drywall cut-out tools for 20 bucks and coudn't be happier with it. The plastic base didn't last long, so I fabbed up a sturdier one. For me to go to that much trouble for a twenty dollar tool means a lot! That's another one. When they hit $20 I couldn't pass it up. So far the base on mine is holding up fine after a couple of drywall jobs. I'm actually pleased and surprised with it. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com My next door neighbor does a lot of handyman work and would go through one of these drills in a couple days. HF replaced them for a while, but then he had to drive for a couple hours (round trip) to exchange it. I suggested he get a good one and showed him my Panasonic 15.6. He ooohed and aahhhed appropriately and agreed that he needed something more substantial. Came back with a B&D. Sigh. Lasted a month. mahalo, jo4hn |
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Eugene writes:
Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have spent more than buying the cordless ;) My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to carry on a John Deere. So, you're a woodworker, right? Design and build a platform that mounts on the 3-point hitch. May even end up useful for more than just the generator. (Unless your deere is old enough that it doesn't _have_ a three-point hitch :-) scott |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" calmly ranted: A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta (which looks remarkably like this one). I got the $99 Ryobi set and it worked fine for 2 years. Now both batteries decided to go tits-up. I'm getting 4 minutes of service apiece from them and they die in 3 days without any use. Time for alternative sourcing. Anyone use the Ebay battery people, PowerGears ? Batteries Plus usually has good replacements for hand tools. a. |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:19:58 GMT, ray calmly
ranted: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:52:50 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote: Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3 sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the DeWalt. YMMV MMDV (my mileage did vary) I bought the 12 volt Ryobi contractors driver a couple of years ago. The first one twisted off the chuck within a month of purchase. Sheared it right off. HD replaced it, but now neither battery will take a charge-- they just sit in the charger and blink red. So in a burst of "brilliance," I went back to HD and bought the 12 volt "consumer" driver for 50 bucks, since new batts for the old driver were $40, and the new driver came with 2 12 volt batts. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the new Ryobi 12 volt batts do not fit the old Ryobi 12 volt driver. Oh well. Might be a while before I buy another Ryobi tool. I've been doing Ryobi battery research today. Here's what I found for the 14.4v batt packs I need: Ebay: PowerGears wants $25 for a new pack. "Good quality, Japanese-made." Google: PrimeCell: $40 2Ah, $55 2.6Ah, $68 3Ah nimh for rebuilds. BatteryBarn: $54 for a 1.5Ah POS, $60 for a 2Ah rebuild. BatterySavings: $50 Ebatts: $57 (same source as BatterySavings) Voltmanbatteries: $30 (you pay shipping to them only, Sanyo 1.8Ah) Powertoolbattery: $54 Batteryprice: $38.85 1.5Ah Interbatteries: $34.53 1.7Ah exact replacement, new. $40 2Ah, $7 UPS to ship 1 or 2 packs. I may try a pack from each: PowerGears and Interbattery. ------------------------------------------------- - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------- |
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Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) (Eugene) says:
snip Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;) No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies. Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then, there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was? LOL JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the
sun and you are chargin'! "J T" wrote in message ... Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) (Eugene) says: snip Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;) No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies. Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then, there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was? LOL JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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J T wrote:
Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) (Eugene) says: snip Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;) No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies. Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then, there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was? LOL JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid I have a plastic hand crank drill, cost $4.99. Probably used it for 10 years until I bought the Makita and still have it :) |
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J T wrote:
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am (Mark*Hopkins) says: There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the sun and you are chargin'! Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam. I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device. Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid Anyone remember the Will Smith movie with the bad guy riding in the steam powered wheelchair? Could set up all the power tools that way, tiny steam powered engines on your drill, saw, router. Cordless and they would burn the sawdust for power so they would have cordless dust collection as well. We should have never invented electricity :) |
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Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 8:46am (EDT-3)
(Mike=A0Reed) says: snip I've even used an abrasive saw disc on it to cut wet PVC irrigation in the ground -- not a move I'd try with a cord Depending on the size of the pipe, they've got a really nifty PVC cutter out, that works like a charm. And, no electric, OR batteries. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am
(Mark=A0Hopkins) says: There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the sun and you are chargin'! Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam. I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device. Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Not a saw, but a neat powerplant plan.
http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/babington/ "J T" wrote in message ... Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am (Mark Hopkins) says: There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the sun and you are chargin'! Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam. I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device. Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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(J T) wrote in
: Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am (Mark*Hopkins) says: There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the sun and you are chargin'! Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam. I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device. Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill here in Oregon. IIRC, the last such in the country. Quote the search and you get 34 hits. This one may be the most useful follow its links: http://www.cr.nps.gov/habshaer/haer/projects.htm LD JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 5:26pm
(Mark=A0Hopkins) says: Not a saw, but a neat powerplant plan. Nah, not a power plant, but a burner plan. And that idea was working long before the Marines got ahold of it. Now THESE ARE a man's powerplants. http://www.carferries.com/skinner/ JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 10:36pm (EDT+4)
(Lobby=A0Dosser) says: Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill snip Nope, not even close. That's a sawmill. Anyway, checked it out long ago. I dug out the book with this in it. Under the picture it say, "Cloughjordan, Co, Tipperary, Eire". Apparently the clipping appeared, in "Railway Engineering", by Haldane, 1897. Apparently it was called a "steam cross-cut sawing machine". It shows the thing in use, sawing a section of log in two. A bit hard to describe. Apparently it was portable, as it has a steam hose running to it, and is mounted on a rectangular base. Being as it appeared in a railroad related book, I would suspect it would have been used for sawing up trees that had fallen over the tracks, useing the locootive boiler as a steam source. The far end of the thing has a screw, powered by a hand wheel, to raise and lower the blade, sorta a rack and pinion. Then comes the piston, or steam engine if you will, in a frame, which continues as a frame for the saw blade. In the drawing, it looks like about half the blade is in the frame, when it's fully retracted. Then the rest of the blade is in the open, and is nicely started cutting the log. Looks like it would definitely be workable, and a monotube boiler would be simple enough to whip up. Looks like almost as much fun as the steam powered can crusher. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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: Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 10:36pm (EDT+4) (Lobby*Dosser) says: Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill snip Nope, not even close. That's a sawmill. Anyway, checked it out long ago. I dug out the book with this in it. Under the picture it say, "Cloughjordan, Co, Tipperary, Eire". Apparently the clipping appeared, in "Railway Engineering", by Haldane, 1897. Apparently it was called a "steam cross-cut sawing machine". It shows the thing in use, sawing a section of log in two. A bit hard to describe. Apparently it was portable, as it has a steam hose running to it, and is mounted on a rectangular base. Being as it appeared in a railroad related book, I would suspect it would have been used for sawing up trees that had fallen over the tracks, useing the locootive boiler as a steam source. The far end of the thing has a screw, powered by a hand wheel, to raise and lower the blade, sorta a rack and pinion. Then comes the piston, or steam engine if you will, in a frame, which continues as a frame for the saw blade. In the drawing, it looks like about half the blade is in the frame, when it's fully retracted. Then the rest of the blade is in the open, and is nicely started cutting the log. Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw? Looks like it would definitely be workable, and a monotube boiler would be simple enough to whip up. Looks like almost as much fun as the steam powered can crusher. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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Sat, Jul 31, 2004, 2:23am (EDT+4)
(Lobby=A0Dosser) queries: Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw? No. You seem to be thinking sawmill. Like a cross-cut saw. More one-man type, then two-man, but possiblly longer than a one-man. On this, the blade travels horizontally, cutting a log on the ground. Like a cross-cut saw. And, a bit of trivia, for those who don't know. IF you know what you're doing, one man can use a two-man crosscut saw, in the same manner as a one-man crosscut saw. JOAT The highway of fear is the road to defeat. - Bazooka Joe JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid |
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:40:54 -0400, (J T)
wrote: Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am (Mark*Hopkins) says: There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the sun and you are chargin'! Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam. I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device. Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO When I lived in California (two years ago) there was a guy that brought just such a critter to the Santa Cruz County fair every year. He set it up in the "old iron" area (antique tractors, hit-or-miss engines, etc.) and sliced off rounds from a good sized log--really attracted an audience! The saw blade was probably 4 or 5 feet long. You might be able to find him through a search of the SCC fair or the county web sites. --John W. Wells |
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