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1941/12/07
Least we not forget.
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1941/12/07
On 12/7/2011 3:03 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Least we not forget. Lew OR let some in the US rewrite history |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:16:09 -0500, knuttle
wrote: On 12/7/2011 3:03 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote: Least we not forget. Lew OR let some in the US rewrite history Or as phrased in "1984" "correct history" |
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On Dec 7, 12:47*pm, Han wrote:
History is for the winners to write. FWIW, before Pearl Harbor, there were other surprise wars. *Since I'm originally Dutch, this example. *Although the Dutch were preparing to defend themselves at traditional defensive settings, the May 10, 1940 attacks were a surprise, not preceded by a declaration of war by Germany. After 5 days of battle near my home town and elsewhere, and the aerial destruction of the center of Rotterdam, the Dutch were forced to surrender. *A somewhat smaller scale of the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, and a similar defeat of insufficiently prepared and/or equipped defenders. All true, but his post was about a unique American experience, tied directly to this day. It wasn't about the past injustices around the world, nor did it downplay any others. Unlike European history, Americans don't have many, many centuries of conquest, war and butchery on our own soil. For those that remember the attack on this anniversary, and for those that are related or know those that were involved in some way, and for those that sacrificed because of the events of December 7, 1941, we honor this day. And with all due respect to you for the gentleman that you are (sincerely, no kidding around), this would be the same as you starting a thread on the invasion of Rotterdam and me posting "hey - that's not an isolated incident. Even though it's May 10th and special to you guys, you also need to remember Pearl Harbor here in the USA when you talk about the anniversary of the destruction of Rotterdam." In some ways we do little to honor our vets and military in the USA. This is one of the days we do. Robert |
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1941/12/07
" wrote in
: On Dec 7, 12:47*pm, Han wrote: History is for the winners to write. FWIW, before Pearl Harbor, there were other surprise wars. *Since I'm originally Dutch, this example. *Although the Dutch were preparing to defend themselves at traditional defensive settings, the May 10, 1940 attacks were a surprise, not preceded by a declaration of war by Germany. After 5 days of battle near my home town and elsewhere, and the aerial destruction of the center of Rotterdam, the Dutch were forced to surrender. *A somewhat smaller scale of the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, and a similar defeat of insufficiently prepared and/or equipped defenders. All true, but his post was about a unique American experience, tied directly to this day. It wasn't about the past injustices around the world, nor did it downplay any others. Unlike European history, Americans don't have many, many centuries of conquest, war and butchery on our own soil. For those that remember the attack on this anniversary, and for those that are related or know those that were involved in some way, and for those that sacrificed because of the events of December 7, 1941, we honor this day. And with all due respect to you for the gentleman that you are (sincerely, no kidding around), this would be the same as you starting a thread on the invasion of Rotterdam and me posting "hey - that's not an isolated incident. Even though it's May 10th and special to you guys, you also need to remember Pearl Harbor here in the USA when you talk about the anniversary of the destruction of Rotterdam." In some ways we do little to honor our vets and military in the USA. This is one of the days we do. Robert Sorry, there was absolutely no intention to not pay homage to those who perished and to all the brave men and women who fought that day and all days following. Please note that my gratitude to all those who fought fascism is extreme. After all, if the US and its allies wouldn't have defeated Germany, I wouldn't be around now, and even more of my family would have perished in the camps. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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1941/12/07
" wrote in
: On Dec 7, 12:47*pm, Han wrote: History is for the winners to write. FWIW, before Pearl Harbor, there were other surprise wars. *Since I'm originally Dutch, this example. *Although the Dutch were preparing to defend themselves at traditional defensive settings, the May 10, 1940 attacks were a surprise, not preceded by a declaration of war by Germany. After 5 days of battle near my home town and elsewhere, and the aerial destruction of the center of Rotterdam, the Dutch were forced to surrender. *A somewhat smaller scale of the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, and a similar defeat of insufficiently prepared and/or equipped defenders. All true, but his post was about a unique American experience, tied directly to this day. It wasn't about the past injustices around the world, nor did it downplay any others. Unlike European history, Americans don't have many, many centuries of conquest, war and butchery on our own soil. For those that remember the attack on this anniversary, and for those that are related or know those that were involved in some way, and for those that sacrificed because of the events of December 7, 1941, we honor this day. I do honor this day as well, and I should point out that there has been alot of savage wars fought right here in the US. The civil war was nothing but brutal for those who fought in it, and the wars against others on this continent were also less than gentle! I just wanted to point out that a surprise attack was really not so exceptional in the early 40's, and that rhetoric (FDR Is one of my favorites!) seems to have obscured the fact (IMNSHO) that US naval commanders were too complacent. That does not diminish the heroism of the men on the Arizona and other ships and US planes in the least. And with all due respect to you for the gentleman that you are (sincerely, no kidding around), this would be the same as you starting a thread on the invasion of Rotterdam and me posting "hey - that's not an isolated incident. Even though it's May 10th and special to you guys, you also need to remember Pearl Harbor here in the USA when you talk about the anniversary of the destruction of Rotterdam." I "grok" that, and submit my apologies if my words offended anyone. That was certainly not the intent. In some ways we do little to honor our vets and military in the USA. This is one of the days we do. Robert And, Robert, I honor them today and every day as well. I just didn't hang out my flag today as I did on Veterans Day. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Dec 7, 3:43*pm, Han wrote:
I "grok" that, and submit my apologies if my words offended anyone. *That was certainly not the intent. Han, I might get a bit twitchy these days about the good old USA. I am comfortable being the "ugly American" as our last few rounds of leadership have left little to the world's imagination about how clueless we can be. We are a big country; we get a lot of things right, and a lot wrong, too. But there is always a constant buzz of criticism these days, no matter who is in office, what political stripe they wear, or what good deeds they might do. What hurts even more is that none of the jackasses in any position of power represent anyone I know, so that is a constant add to my frustration. And, Robert, I honor them today and every day as well. *I just didn't hang out my flag today as I did on Veterans Day. I am sure you do. I hope I didn't come off too badly as you are one of the gentlemen of this group. Maybe I should have stopped at that last cup of Joe before posting... :^) Robert |
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1941/12/07
" wrote in
: On Dec 7, 3:43*pm, Han wrote: I "grok" that, and submit my apologies if my words offended anyone. *Th at was certainly not the intent. Han, I might get a bit twitchy these days about the good old USA. I am comfortable being the "ugly American" as our last few rounds of leadership have left little to the world's imagination about how clueless we can be. We are a big country; we get a lot of things right, and a lot wrong, too. But there is always a constant buzz of criticism these days, no matter who is in office, what political stripe they wear, or what good deeds they might do. What hurts even more is that none of the jackasses in any position of power represent anyone I know, so that is a constant add to my frustration. And, Robert, I honor them today and every day as well. *I just didn't hang out my flag today as I did on Veterans Day. I am sure you do. I hope I didn't come off too badly as you are one of the gentlemen of this group. Maybe I should have stopped at that last cup of Joe before posting... :^) Robert I was a bit hasty in posting what was not too timely, and, again, I apologize for that. You "didn't come off badly" at all, but politely pointed out my wrongs, and I thank you for that. I hope all is well with you and yours, and wish you all (you presonally, and everyone in the group) all the best for the holidays. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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1941/12/07
in 1514620 20111207 080333 "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Least we not forget. Lew huh? did you mean "lest we forget"? |
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