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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 7:15 AM, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient. Yeah that would probably be a way around the problem, I have noticed that one of the manufacturers of miter saws, maybe Festool, uses a double laser to establish where the blade will cut. You use the inside edge of the laser to establish where the blade will cut. Still the problem with that on the saw set up is that you dont cut on your line, you cut beside your line and your line could easily be hidden under the wider laser line. IMHO the biggest problem with using a laser on most of this wood working equipment is that the lasers are "CHEAP". I suspect to get an accurate line that is 1/128" or less it is going to require a much higher quality laser. Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On Nov 9, 8:34*am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 11/9/2011 7:15 AM, Dave wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. *On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/light.... You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient. Yeah that would probably be a way around the problem, *I have noticed that one of the manufacturers of miter saws, maybe Festool, uses a double laser to establish where the blade will cut. *You use the inside edge of the laser to establish where the blade will cut. Still the problem with that on the saw set up is that you dont cut on your line, you cut beside your line and your line could easily be hidden under the wider laser line. IMHO the biggest problem with using a laser on most of this wood working equipment is that the lasers are "CHEAP". *I suspect to get an accurate line that is 1/128" or less it is going to require a much higher quality laser. Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around. I have seen $ 600 lasers (x2) on a big-ass CNC and even those had problems with...what do I call it... effervescence, fluorescence, scatter? The material bounces the -ever-so-fine laser line (green in this case) all over the place and sets up a glow. The rougher the material the worst it gets (Obviously)...BUT, white melamine was the worst of them all. I think they're gimmicky in too many applications, but nice for cabinet lay-out and rough work. If I really want to know where I am going on the DP or CNC, I load a centre point prior to drilling. In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers, snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 9:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
I have seen $ 600 lasers (x2) on a big-ass CNC and even those had problems with...what do I call it... effervescence, fluorescence, scatter? The material bounces the -ever-so-fine laser line (green in this case) all over the place and sets up a glow. The rougher the material the worst it gets (Obviously)...BUT, white melamine was the worst of them all. I think they're gimmicky in too many applications, but nice for cabinet lay-out and rough work. If I really want to know where I am going on the DP or CNC, I load a centre point prior to drilling. In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers, snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks. LOL I have not seen any of those laser enhanced tools yet but I am thinking a laser on a hammer, or screw driver, or pencil for gosh sakes. Maybe even an eraser. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press. Mine just happened to have a laser, it in no way was a feature for me to choose that model. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message ... Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ I was going to suggest the center point tool but Robatoy beat me to it. That is a foolproof way. WW |
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"Leon" wrote LOL I have not seen any of those laser enhanced tools yet but I am thinking a laser on a hammer, or screw driver, or pencil for gosh sakes. Maybe even an eraser. Condom?? |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On Nov 9, 5:10*am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. *Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/light... And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. *On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/light... Your laser looks like **** compared to mine. Nanananana. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 12:06 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
"Leon" wrote LOL I have not seen any of those laser enhanced tools yet but I am thinking a laser on a hammer, or screw driver, or pencil for gosh sakes. Maybe even an eraser. Condom?? Naw, I can do that blind folded. ;~) |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 12:32 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Nov 9, 5:10 am, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/light... And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/light... Your laser looks like **** compared to mine. Nanananana. LOL.. I would certainty hope sooooo. |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...stream/lightbo x/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...stream/lightbo x/ My Ryboi has the same problem. The better solution is simply not to use a laser at all, but perhaps a LED mounted on a gooseneck would be nice. All I'm trying to do is eliminate the shadows that make a line hard to see sometimes. Puckdropper |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press. So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later when Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD ROW of tits on a boar hog?" -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On 11/9/11 9:56 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote: On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press. So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later when Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD ROW of tits on a boar hog?" Their sheep? :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On 11/9/2011 9:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers, snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks. Ok! I actually saw this on Cool Tools last night. A conventional hand saw with a laser in the lower part of the handle. |
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On 11/9/2011 9:56 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote: On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote: Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP. The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press. So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later when Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD ROW of tits on a boar hog?" The CMA awards? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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The problem I have with a laser on a DP
On Nov 9, 8:34*am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
... Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around. Mark with chalk. Problem solved. -- FF |
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Consider distance - that improves the angle.
I used tacked up marks on the wall in my old shop - Aiming 20' or so is tough - I used binoculars to spot the dot on the far wall as I nudged the partially tightened stand. If your laser can't split and spot a distant wall - get a new laser. Shooting off a fuzzy edge will reflect a fuzzy beam. Develop a new method. Try shooting the beam directly - is it sharp or fuzzy. Martin On 11/10/2011 4:24 PM, Fred the Red Shirt wrote: On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: ... Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around. Mark with chalk. Problem solved. -- FF |
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On 11/10/2011 9:49 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Consider distance - that improves the angle. I used tacked up marks on the wall in my old shop - Aiming 20' or so is tough - I used binoculars to spot the dot on the far wall as I nudged the partially tightened stand. If your laser can't split and spot a distant wall - get a new laser. Shooting off a fuzzy edge will reflect a fuzzy beam. Develop a new method. Try shooting the beam directly - is it sharp or fuzzy. Martin I think my point is that you don't need a laser to hit your mark on a DP. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:41 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I think my point is that you don't need a laser to hit your mark on a DP. Of course not. Else, past generations of woodworkers would have built junk. Trouble is that lasers for woodworking fell into the same category as early digital watches. They became mass produced crap without any quality attached to them ~ all to satisfy the fascination with new technology. |
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Fred the Red Shirt typed: On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: ... Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around. Mark with chalk. Problem solved. Or tape |
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