Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote:

Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

The condition, according to the web site, is listed as H7.

"H7 Unserviceable - condemned/ reparable
Explanation:
Material which has been determined to be unserviceable and does not
meet repair criteria; Type I shelf life material that has passed the
expiration date, and Type II shelf life material that has passed the
expiration date and cannot be extended. NOTE: Classify obsolete and
excess material to its proper condition before consigning to the DRMO.
DO NOT classify material in supply condition H unless it is truly
unserviceable and does not meet repair criteria. "
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

On Sep 6, 5:04*pm, Nova wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote:

Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. *5 Days remaining. *Starting bid is $150. *No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

The condition, according to the web site, is listed as H7.

"H7 * *Unserviceable - condemned/ reparable
Explanation: *
Material which has been determined to be unserviceable and does not
meet repair criteria; Type I shelf life material that has passed the
expiration date, and Type II shelf life material that has passed the
expiration date and cannot be extended. NOTE: Classify obsolete and
excess material to its proper condition before consigning to the DRMO.
DO NOT classify material in supply condition H unless it is truly
unserviceable and does not meet repair criteria. "
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Almost all items listed on this govt site has that designation. It is
unserviceable by the govt, as per their idea of unserviceable ("....
does not meet repair criteria"). It may very well be serviceable by
someone other than the govt. An inspection of the planer is
adviseable before bidding/purchasing, to see exactly what might be
wrong (if anything) with it. Even if it needs some repair (or an
adjustment), which may very well be likely, it may still be worth
purchasing it and repairing it.

I highly suspect the acquired value designation is incorrect, also.

Sonny

"Sonny" wrote

Almost all items listed on this govt site has that designation. It is
unserviceable by the govt, as per their idea of unserviceable ("....
does not meet repair criteria"). It may very well be serviceable by
someone other than the govt. An inspection of the planer is
adviseable before bidding/purchasing, to see exactly what might be
wrong (if anything) with it. Even if it needs some repair (or an
adjustment), which may very well be likely, it may still be worth
purchasing it and repairing it.

Grizzly is very good at getting parts out to you too. They have complete
manuals on line. You can talk to somebody about the machine.

I have used their big planers. They are very sturdy and HEAVY! I can not
imagine much going wrong with it. A lot of folks can not do any kind of
repair. I would look it over. If there is no obvious crack in the cast
iron, it is probably easily repaired.

"Sonny" wrote in message
...
Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

I've lurked around here for some while and really love the NG. Knowledgeable
folk and some very interesting threads.
I'm from England and just looked at this thread out of curiosity.
Looks a very meaty machine in decent cosmetic order but needing some repair.

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz (three
phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?

Also 25A is a serious loading for 1 phase supply.
My Wadkin 14x12 inch planer is 3hp, 240V, 1 phase. Draws about 15A which is
right on the limit for UK elec. supply.
As said, probably a dumb Q and probably simple physics applies but I would
be interested to know the answer. Perhaps in the terminology used thinks.

Many thanks,
Nick.

"Nick" wrote in message
...

"Sonny" wrote in message
...
Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

I've lurked around here for some while and really love the NG.
Knowledgeable folk and some very interesting threads.
I'm from England and just looked at this thread out of curiosity.
Looks a very meaty machine in decent cosmetic order but needing some
repair.

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz
(three phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?

Also 25A is a serious loading for 1 phase supply.
My Wadkin 14x12 inch planer is 3hp, 240V, 1 phase. Draws about 15A which
is right on the limit for UK elec. supply.
As said, probably a dumb Q and probably simple physics applies but I would
be interested to know the answer. Perhaps in the terminology used
thinks.

Many thanks,
Nick.

220 volts is available from the same source as the 120 volt. It is
universally available. It is used in residential wiring for stoves and
dryers. It is also commonly used in shops and garages. Commercial
applications often go to triple phase wiring and different voltages, amps,
etc.

On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:01:07 +0100, "Nick" wrote:


"Sonny" wrote in message
...
Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

I've lurked around here for some while and really love the NG. Knowledgeable
folk and some very interesting threads.
I'm from England and just looked at this thread out of curiosity.
Looks a very meaty machine in decent cosmetic order but needing some repair.

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz (three
phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?

snip

120V is derived using a step down transformer with a center tap.
Either side of the secondary coil to the center tap gives 120V. Using
the two sides of the secondary coil of the transformer produces 220V.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

On 9/7/11 11:01 AM, Nick wrote:
wrote in message
...
Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

I've lurked around here for some while and really love the NG. Knowledgeable
folk and some very interesting threads.
I'm from England and just looked at this thread out of curiosity.
Looks a very meaty machine in decent cosmetic order but needing some repair.

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz (three
phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?

Also 25A is a serious loading for 1 phase supply.
My Wadkin 14x12 inch planer is 3hp, 240V, 1 phase. Draws about 15A which is
right on the limit for UK elec. supply.
As said, probably a dumb Q and probably simple physics applies but I would
be interested to know the answer. Perhaps in the terminology usedthinks.

Many thanks,
Nick.


In layman's terms... since that's what I is :-) .....
A 110 circuit uses 3 wires: a hot(black), neutral(white) and
ground(bare/green). The ground is there for safety. The current travels
from 1 breaker, through the black and returns through the white.
A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green). The current travels from 2
breakers through 2 hot wires (one per breaker) and returns through the
shared neutral(white) wire. The reason they can use the same neutral is
because of alternating current: each hot wire is out of phase with the
other and they each are hot on alternating cycles (hertz). Since this is
a parallel circuit, the two 110 volt circuits become 220volts, together.

25amps isn't a problem at all, as long as your breaker is rated that
high and your wire is a big enough gauge.

I'm sure the semantics police will enter forthwith to correct me and
warm that you will burn your house down by even reading what I've
written. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 9/7/2011 10:01 AM, Nick wrote:
....

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz (three
phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?
....

US single-phase distribution to residential areas is from a center-tap
transformer that supplies 240V (two legs of same supply voltage 180 out
of phase w/ each other). Hence the 120V is derived one side to neutral
rather than 240V derived from 120V.

So, our 120V "looks like" your 240V whereas our 240V is two 120V
supplies one of which is the mirror (negative) image of the other
visually if one were to draw the voltage waveforms.

Historically the US used the lower voltage and has kept it for
residential appliances--it does make for higher currents than the
alternative but it is so ingrained now that changing over is simply not
in the cards.

--

-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a ground.
There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v within the load.

The current travels from 2
breakers through 2 hot wires (one per breaker) and returns through the
shared neutral(white) wire.

Nope again. The two hot leads are 180 degrees out of phase with each other
so the current path is between them.


--

-Mike-

On 9/7/2011 1:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a ground.
There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v within the load.

Well, I suppose that depends. I just bought a house built in 2000 that
has 4 wire 240v circuits and had to have the dryer rewired to match. It
has 2 hots, a neutral at the center point and a ground to chassis.
There are 4 240v circuits in the house and all are wired that way.

Apparently, nothing is simple any more because the older house I left in
Texas was wired as you describe.


The current travels from 2
breakers through 2 hot wires (one per breaker) and returns through the
shared neutral(white) wire.

Nope again. The two hot leads are 180 degrees out of phase with each other
so the current path is between them.



Yet another Mike

On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:23:26 -0400, Mike wrote:

On 9/7/2011 1:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a ground.
There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v within the load.

Well, I suppose that depends. I just bought a house built in 2000 that
has 4 wire 240v circuits and had to have the dryer rewired to match. It
has 2 hots, a neutral at the center point and a ground to chassis.
There are 4 240v circuits in the house and all are wired that way.

Because the dryer timer uses 120V. A 240V drill press or cabinet saw doesn't
require a neutral.

Apparently, nothing is simple any more because the older house I left in
Texas was wired as you describe.

Older code allowed a small 120V load on a 240V circuit without a neutral. This
is no longer true. Any 120V load on the circuit requires that the circuit
have a neutral. Same deal for stoves. Air conditioners don't require a
4-wire circuit.

Mike wrote:
On 9/7/2011 1:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a
ground. There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v
within the load.

Well, I suppose that depends. I just bought a house built in 2000
that has 4 wire 240v circuits and had to have the dryer rewired to
match. It has 2 hots, a neutral at the center point and a ground to
chassis. There are 4 240v circuits in the house and all are wired
that way.

So - go back up and re-read what I wrote.


Apparently, nothing is simple any more because the older house I left
in Texas was wired as you describe.


Again - the only time the neutral is required is when there is going to be
120v supplied internally within the load. 240 does not use a neutral
otherwise.


--

-Mike-

"Nick" writes:

"Sonny" wrote in message
...
Someone near Mechanicsburg, PA needs to go check this out and/or bid
on it. 5 Days remaining. Starting bid is $150. No one has bid, yet.
http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4705116

Sonny

I've lurked around here for some while and really love the NG. Knowledgeable
folk and some very interesting threads.
I'm from England and just looked at this thread out of curiosity.
Looks a very meaty machine in decent cosmetic order but needing some repair.

This may be a dumb question but I know little of USA electrical equipment.
In UK we use 240 volts @ 50hz (single phase) or 415-440 volts @ 50hz (three
phase).
I believe USA uses 120 volts @ 60hz single phase. Don't know about other
supplies available.
This machine is listed as 5hp, 1 phase, 220V, 60hz, 25 Amp.
How do you get 220V, 1 phase from a 120V supply?

USA gets one phase of 240V 60hz to each home (exceptions exist). The 240 is center-tapped
to ground to provide two legs (from the same phase) with a potential difference
of 120 volts.

Typical services range from 240v@100a to 240v@400a.

scott

On 9/7/2011 3:37 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 9/7/2011 1:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a
ground. There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v
within the load.

Well, I suppose that depends. I just bought a house built in 2000
that has 4 wire 240v circuits and had to have the dryer rewired to
match. It has 2 hots, a neutral at the center point and a ground to
chassis. There are 4 240v circuits in the house and all are wired
that way.

So - go back up and re-read what I wrote.


Apparently, nothing is simple any more because the older house I left
in Texas was wired as you describe.


Again - the only time the neutral is required is when there is going to be
120v supplied internally within the load. 240 does not use a neutral
otherwise.


Sorry you feel misunderstood. I can't see that I contradicted
anything you said. I was only pointing out that 3 wire was not the only
game in town. BTW, if you want to make it really simple and you don't
mind the possibility of being fried, leave the ground off.

On 9/7/2011 4:21 PM, Mike wrote:
....

Sorry you feel misunderstood. I can't see that I contradicted anything
you said. I was only pointing out that 3 wire was not the only game in
town....

But for 240V _only_, it surely is "the only game in town" is the point.

The circuits you're talking about are for dual voltage appliances--that
NEC now requires the separate neutral for the 120V side is immaterial to
240V and for the OP's question is quite possibly confusing.

It's the "why", not the "what"...

--

On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:21:51 -0400, Mike wrote:

On 9/7/2011 3:37 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 9/7/2011 1:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a
ground. There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v
within the load.

Well, I suppose that depends. I just bought a house built in 2000
that has 4 wire 240v circuits and had to have the dryer rewired to
match. It has 2 hots, a neutral at the center point and a ground to
chassis. There are 4 240v circuits in the house and all are wired
that way.

So - go back up and re-read what I wrote.


Apparently, nothing is simple any more because the older house I left
in Texas was wired as you describe.


Again - the only time the neutral is required is when there is going to be
120v supplied internally within the load. 240 does not use a neutral
otherwise.


Sorry you feel misunderstood. I can't see that I contradicted
anything you said. I was only pointing out that 3 wire was not the only
game in town. BTW, if you want to make it really simple and you don't
mind the possibility of being fried, leave the ground off.

He's not "leaving off" the ground. In a (purely) 240V circuit, there is no
neutral (i.e. it doesn't connect to anything). Neutral is *only* needed if
there is a 120V load on the circuit. The safety round is needed either way.

On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:45:16 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

-MIKE- wrote:

A 220 circuit uses 4 wires: 2 hot (black or black and red),
neutral(white) and ground(bare/green).

Nope - not in a simple 240v circuit. Just two power wires and a ground.
There is no neutral unless there is a need to use 120v within the load.

The current travels from 2
breakers through 2 hot wires (one per breaker) and returns through the
shared neutral(white) wire.

Nope again. The two hot leads are 180 degrees out of phase with each other
so the current path is between them.

Right. In the USA, 240v service consists of two hots and a safety
ground.

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That's the thing about needs. Sometimes, when you get them met,
you don't need them anymore. -- Michael Patrick King