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Presealer for cherry?
Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry
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On Jul 26, 6:41*pm, Dave wrote:
Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? *Thanks. Don't need it. |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:59 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote: and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? *Thanks. Don't need it. Hmmm. The text I'm reading suggests that cherry has a tendency to blotch and a presealer can help to reduce or eliminate that tendency. Guess I have some more reading to do. |
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On Jul 26, 7:29*pm, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:59 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. Don't need it. Hmmm. *The text I'm reading suggests that cherry has a tendency to blotch and a presealer can help to reduce or eliminate that tendency. Guess I have some more reading to do. Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? |
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On 7/26/11 6:32 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 26, 7:29 pm, wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:59 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. Don't need it. Hmmm. The text I'm reading suggests that cherry has a tendency to blotch and a presealer can help to reduce or eliminate that tendency. Guess I have some more reading to do. Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? If you're staining, save yourself a lot of money and just use any clear hardwood, like beech, birch or maple. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Jul 26, 7:29 pm, Dave wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:59 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. Don't need it. Hmmm. The text I'm reading suggests that cherry has a tendency to blotch and a presealer can help to reduce or eliminate that tendency. Guess I have some more reading to do. Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? Come on Robatoy. He may not be actually staining it. Give him a little credit. He may be PAINTING it. That would cover up that ugly cherry color. |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? Actually, I was under the impression that even a clear finish could soak into some areas a little more than others and leave a darker haze. As you can see, while I consider my woodworking skills to be adequate, my dislike and lack of knowledge when it comes to finishing, occasionally leaves the final result something to be desired. Besides, like Mike said, I may want to paint my cherry and I want a smooth paint coat without any streaking. g |
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I've always understood to apply BLO or tung oil, to enhance the grain,
then topcoat with clear finish. Thin the BLO or tung oil with paint thinner or naptha, to help with penetration. The oil will prevent blotching... or certainly reduce it significantly. Sonny |
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On Jul 26, 5:41*pm, Dave wrote:
Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? *Thanks. Looks like you are getting a lot of help. ;o} What I am guessing is you want to end up with an unstained and very smooth finish. In that case an intermediate layer of a sanding sealer, available in most hardware or home stores, might be in order. Actually a good, thorough sanding followed with finish, also sanded or rubbed might work as well. Oils will also provide a good deal of seal. Boiled Linseed oil really pops grain but is not durable. You will have to top with another finish. RonB |
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On 7/27/2011 4:27 AM, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? Actually, I was under the impression that even a clear finish could soak into some areas a little more than others and leave a darker haze. As you can see, while I consider my woodworking skills to be adequate, my dislike and lack of knowledge when it comes to finishing, occasionally leaves the final result something to be desired. Besides, like Mike said, I may want to paint my cherry and I want a smooth paint coat without any streaking.g A web site is worth a thousand words. DJM is known for his natural finishes on woods like cherry and he uses both a sealer and top coat: http://www.djmarks.com/stories/faq/w...hane_46687.asp I have also gotten beautiful finishes with cherry by using a Sam Maloof finish, which is an oil/poly base, followed by coats of oil/poly/wax base: http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/HC24.jpg This hope chest, done with Sam Maloof finish, is even more beautiful today, with that rich, natural cherry color that only comes for exposure to sunlight. The Sam Maloof product can be had from Rockler or WoodCraft ... it is my first choice for cherry, although either method works a treat. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/27/2011 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
I have also gotten beautiful finishes with cherry by using a Sam Maloof finish, which is an oil/poly base, followed by coats of oil/poly/wax base: Meant to add that, with the Maloof finish, a sealer is not necessary at all, and probably best to not use one with that particular method. Both methods take the same application technique and take about the same time. With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:41:36 -0400, Dave wrote:
Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. Wipe some Waterlox on it. That will seal it. Some more coats will finish it beautifully, too. Nothing else is necessary. 0000 or 400 grit WOD between coats keeps it baby's butt smooth. OHMIGOD! You're not going to STAIN it, are you? Get thee away from me, Satan! P.S: Oh, crap. I just realized who you were. Back in my twit filter. That's a good lad. (Toy, it's filter time!) -- Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air… -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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On Jul 27, 8:48*am, Swingman wrote:
On 7/27/2011 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote: I have also gotten beautiful finishes with cherry by using a Sam Maloof finish, which is an oil/poly base, followed by coats of oil/poly/wax base: Meant to add that, with the Maloof finish, a sealer is not necessary at all, and probably best to not use one with that particular method. Both methods take the same application technique and take about the same time. With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) The Maloof finish is very nice. I might add that there are locally available, but less effective alternatives. There are a variety of wiping varnishes available from a lot of home and hardware stores. They are very easy to apply and with some light rubbing, provide a nice finish. While many here do not support Min Wax products, I have had good luck with their wipe-on-poly. I have used it on a lot of hardwood rocking horse projects and usually top with a coat of wax. The horses take some use and abuse but a light coat of wax, ever year or two, brings the appearance back. RonB |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:22:00 -0500, Swingman wrote:
http://www.djmarks.com/stories/faq/w...hane_46687.asp http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/HC24.jpg Thanks Karl. This is the type of information I was looking for. |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:48:20 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/27/2011 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote: I have also gotten beautiful finishes with cherry by using a Sam Maloof finish, which is an oil/poly base, followed by coats of oil/poly/wax base: Meant to add that, with the Maloof finish, a sealer is not necessary at all, and probably best to not use one with that particular method. Both methods take the same application technique and take about the same time. With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ -- Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air… -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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On 7/27/2011 9:08 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:48:20 -0500, wrote: With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ Although I've used Waterlox in the past, C-Less, anyone who takes a look at the cherry hope chest today would not venture to add that Waterlox would have done a better job, trust me on that. As for the "old saw" meant for BLO only, it works for the oil/poly/wax coat as well, guaranteed. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:24:32 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/27/2011 9:08 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:48:20 -0500, wrote: With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ Although I've used Waterlox in the past, C-Less, anyone who takes a look at the cherry hope chest today would not venture to add that Waterlox would have done a better job, trust me on that. As for the "old saw" meant for BLO only, it works for the oil/poly/wax coat as well, guaranteed. Do you de-wax first, each time? Or is there a solvent in the mix? -- Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air… -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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On Jul 27, 9:56*am, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:41:36 -0400, Dave wrote: Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? *Thanks. Wipe some Waterlox on it. That will seal it. Some more coats will finish it beautifully, too. Nothing else is necessary. 0000 or 400 grit WOD between coats keeps it baby's butt smooth. OHMIGOD! *You're not going to STAIN it, are you? Get thee away from me, Satan! P.S: Oh, crap. I just realized who you were. Back in my twit filter. That's a good lad. *(Toy, it's filter time!) -- Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air… * * * * * * -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Errrmm... I don't have a problem with Dave. If you do, by all means, filter the twit...(sorry Dave..had to LOL) |
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On Jul 27, 10:24*am, Swingman wrote:
On 7/27/2011 9:08 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:48:20 -0500, *wrote: With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ Although I've used Waterlox in the past, C-Less, anyone who takes a look at the cherry hope chest today would not venture to add that Waterlox would have done a better job, trust me on that. * As for the "old saw" meant for BLO only, it works for the oil/poly/wax coat as well, guaranteed. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) That'd be guwahrahnteed. n'est pas? |
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On 7/27/2011 11:45 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:24:32 -0500, wrote: With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ Although I've used Waterlox in the past, C-Less, anyone who takes a look at the cherry hope chest today would not venture to add that Waterlox would have done a better job, trust me on that. As for the "old saw" meant for BLO only, it works for the oil/poly/wax coat as well, guaranteed. Do you de-wax first, each time? Or is there a solvent in the mix? Sorry, I misspoke (but I'm not going to resign my seat in deficit financing practice) ... the final, and any subsequent, coats are an oil/wax, and forego the poly. And I knew that ... go figure. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Unless you have some really nice heart wood, most cherry
requires some "extra" work to make it look uniform. To have that spiffy cherry finish everybody raves about, start with poplar and work your way up.... After 10-15 rounds, you should have that famous cherry finish. Blotch? You mean when st..sta..stai...*shudder* STAINING? |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:24 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/27/2011 11:45 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:24:32 -0500, wrote: With the oil/poly, some future maintenance may be necessary, IOW, repeat final oil/poly/wax coat using that old saw" "Once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year thereafter." ... although I don't usually bother unless it is really dry and in direct sunlight. That old saw is for BLO alone, not that farkin' poly chit. When're you going to try a _real_ finish, Swingy? http://www.waterlox.com/ Although I've used Waterlox in the past, C-Less, anyone who takes a look at the cherry hope chest today would not venture to add that Waterlox would have done a better job, trust me on that. As for the "old saw" meant for BLO only, it works for the oil/poly/wax coat as well, guaranteed. Do you de-wax first, each time? Or is there a solvent in the mix? Sorry, I misspoke (but I'm not going to resign my seat in deficit financing practice) ... the final, and any subsequent, coats are an oil/wax, and forego the poly. And I knew that ... go figure. The penalty is one Festool sent to me. Got my address? I believe the bestest starter tool would be a 55 or 75, OK? -- Win first, Fight later. --martial principle of the Samurai |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. I'm not sure exactly what you want or why you want to use it on cherry but a 1 pound cut of dewaxed shellac will serve as a nice washcoat. You can make something close enough quickly by adding one volume of alcohol to one volume of Seal-Coat. This wash coat will minimize blotching or uneven finish aborption. Good Luck. |
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On Jul 26, 6:41*pm, Dave wrote:
Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? *Thanks. What's the project? What's the topcoat? Flexner recommends orange shellac for cherry or walnut for its warm tone. You'll need dewaxed orange if you're topcoating, HD doesn't carry, Woodcraft is overpriced; order off the net. If you're *topcoating* with shellac (*nothing* looks better on cherry), the waxy orange Zinnser stuff from HD is fine. |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:46:54 -0700, Larry Jaques
The penalty is one Festool sent to me. Got my address? I believe the bestest starter tool would be a 55 or 75, OK? I'd send you my TS55, but I returned it for an HL50-e. Sorry. |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:13:47 -0400, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:46:54 -0700, Larry Jaques The penalty is one Festool sent to me. Got my address? I believe the bestest starter tool would be a 55 or 75, OK? I'd send you my TS55, but I returned it for an HL50-e. Sorry. OK. The 75 will have to do, then. I already have a nice hand electric planer. http://goo.gl/X7UVA as well as a stable of Knight and Satanley planes. -- Win first, Fight later. --martial principle of the Samurai |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
Errrmm... I don't have a problem with Dave. If you do, by all means, filter the twit...(sorry Dave..had to LOL) Hell, doesn't bother me. If someone wants to filter me then who am I to complain? The people here whose knowledge and skills that I respect don't appear to have any problem with me and that's all that counts as far as I'm concerned. |
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Another new name for George Watson?
How many hundred has it been so far, here? I have to stop exposing your phoney ass. ---------------- "Dave" wrote in message ... Hell, doesn't bother me. If someone wants to filter me then who am I to complain? The people here whose knowledge and skills that I respect don't appear to have any problem with me and that's all that counts as far as I'm concerned. |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:47:32 -0400, "m II" wrote:
How many hundred has it been so far, here? I have to stop exposing your phoney ass. The *only* thing you expose with every message is your remarkable lack of intelligence. It's truly a wonder you found out how to turn a computer on. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. I use a 1/2 pound coat or two of shellac. |
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Tom B wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. I use a 1/2 pound coat or two of shellac. Glidden latex paint - over the entire surface. Also serves as a very nice finish coat. Saves labor... -- -Mike- |
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On 7/29/2011 11:21 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Tom B wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... Hi, I'm teaching myself the proper conditioning procedures for cherry and I need to preseal it. Can anyone recommend a brand of presealer for the cherry? Thanks. I use a 1/2 pound coat or two of shellac. Glidden latex paint - over the entire surface. Also serves as a very nice finish coat. Saves labor... ROTFLMAO!!! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... On 7/29/2011 11:21 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Tom B wrote: "Dave" wrote in message snip ROTFLMAO!!! Ditto! |
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I'm still having problems accessing up-to-date posts. I have no idea
if my replies are posting, as no recent posts have shown up, for me. Would someone email me a new link, cedarsonny at aol dot com , to see if that might help me. I think Flexner, Marks and other references are correct. Seems the basic idea is with the use of an oil, in some capacity, initially. Here's another link that may help: http://www.finishwiz.com/cherry04.htm Sonny |
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