Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.

I was making some sandpaper storage units, got tired of having curled
paper, or having to sift through tons of different grades/ manufacturers.
And tired of lining up holes on my ROS.

Anyway I started using up some different papers.

I have a load of Mirka, and a little 3x Norton, regular Norton, and 3M
Freecut.

Some opinions:

The mirka white paper is useless. I have to use it up. In a few strokes
there is no grit left. It turns a gray and is pretty much gone...

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts. The grit just hangs in there,
it doesn't load up the same as the stuff above. I don't know what it is
about this stuff, but it will be what I buy going forward. I have not
tried Klingspor, So I can't compare.

On Jul 26, 10:39*am, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,.........

Yeah, I have noticed recently that we are starting to look like this
bunch:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...topics?lnk=srg

The recent level of labeled or unlabeled OT's is increasing.

RonB

On 7/26/2011 10:52 AM, RonB wrote:
On Jul 26, 10:39 am, tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,.........

Yeah, I have noticed recently that we are starting to look like this
bunch:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...topics?lnk=srg

The recent level of labeled or unlabeled OT's is increasing.

Try posting woodworking content and the same five or six folks post a
message or two, then it's over.

I agree that Norton's 3x sandpaper is indeed one of the best sandpapers,
if not the best, out there that can be bought locally.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:39:19 -0400, tiredofspam wrote:

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or
yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts.

That pretty much matches my experiences. I don't know if the Norton
actually lasts 3 times as long, but it definitely lasts longer. It might
even exceed the 3 times.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On 7/26/2011 10:39 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
....
Some opinions:

The mirka white paper is useless. I have to use it up. In a few strokes
there is no grit left. It turns a gray and is pretty much gone...

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts. The grit just hangs in there,
it doesn't load up the same as the stuff above. I don't know what it is
about this stuff, but it will be what I buy going forward. I have not
tried Klingspor, So I can't compare.

There was a review (which I haven't read yet) of various vendors in
recent FWW...noticed they did do measured testing of removal rates,
longevity, estimated from those a cost-effectiveness for each as the end
result.

For routine 5" round I use pressure sensitive in bulk rolls obtained
from the local auto-body supply. It's generally either 3M or Norton;
quite a lot cheaper/sheet than any of the other alternatives in pricing
and at least as good as any except very expensive Klingspor. I've not
done much volume recently so still working on last batches so not sure
what current pricing actually is but I'd suggest checking it out for
those who do use large enough quantities that a large roll isn't
overstocking _too_ greatly...

--

On 7/26/2011 10:50 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:39:19 -0400, tiredofspam wrote:

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or
yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts.

That pretty much matches my experiences. I don't know if the Norton
actually lasts 3 times as long, but it definitely lasts longer. It might
even exceed the 3 times.


I went on ebay a few years ago and got over 500 sheets of sandpaper for
about 50 bucks. Mostly 3-M brand, aluminum oxide, garnet, wetordry (in
grits up to 2,000), a variety of other stuff. It's more flat paper than
I'm likely to use in my lifetime.

Especially now that most of my sanding is with a Bosch, even though
those disks run between 50 cents and a buck each, because it does such a
better job than any other kind of sanding I've tried. So, I'd personally
like to know, where's the best source for 5" hook-and-eye, 8-hole
pattern ROS paper?

On Jul 26, 11:39*am, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.

I was making some sandpaper storage units, got tired of having curled
paper, or having to sift through tons of different grades/ manufacturers.
And tired of lining up holes on my ROS.

Anyway I started using up some different papers.

I have a load of Mirka, and a little 3x Norton, regular Norton, and 3M
Freecut.

Some opinions:

The mirka white paper is useless. I have to use it up. In a few strokes
there is no grit left. It turns a gray and is pretty much gone...

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts. The grit just hangs in there,
it doesn't load up the same as the stuff above. I don't know what it is
about this stuff, but it will be what I buy going forward. I have not
tried Klingspor, So I can't compare.

I have noticed that storage affects the paper's longevity as well.
Humidity just kills some of the Mirka paper-backed stuff.
In sheets, I really like the Norton3X a lot, except that here, Home
Depot is stupidly expensive.

On 7/26/2011 1:30 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/26/2011 10:50 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:39:19 -0400, tiredofspam wrote:

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or
yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts.

That pretty much matches my experiences. I don't know if the Norton
actually lasts 3 times as long, but it definitely lasts longer. It might
even exceed the 3 times.


I went on ebay a few years ago and got over 500 sheets of sandpaper for
about 50 bucks. Mostly 3-M brand, aluminum oxide, garnet, wetordry (in
grits up to 2,000), a variety of other stuff. It's more flat paper than
I'm likely to use in my lifetime.

Especially now that most of my sanding is with a Bosch, even though
those disks run between 50 cents and a buck each, because it does such a
better job than any other kind of sanding I've tried. So, I'd personally
like to know, where's the best source for 5" hook-and-eye, 8-hole
pattern ROS paper?

I have found that Festool paper lasts pretty good and especially the
"Crystal" papers. Part of the longer life from the Festool papers is
because the superior dust collection when coupled with a vac. With less
dust build up the paper stays cooler and lasts longer and does not clog
as quickly. I have found that with the Crystal Festool paper that I can
sand the squeezed out glued joints of 7-8 drawers with out glue clogging
the paper. Down side is that you would probably need a Festool sander
for that paper, or that could be a good thing.

tiredofspam wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.


I see you want to start a conversation about the Bush administration and its
relationship to sandpaper. As you recall, Bush was in a league, the American
League, as managing partner of the Texas Rangers baseball team. Sandpaper,
as you may also know, is stricktly prohibited in baseball (unscrupulous
pitchers sometimes used a bit of sandpaper to rough up the ball, making
difficult throws easier).

Monitoring sandpaper usage gave Dubya a unique perspective and honed skills
that would become useful later in his presidency. For example, detecting
WMDs even though they were well hidden.

On Jul 26, 10:03*pm, George Watson
wrote:


Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Aug 2, 10:03 pm).

Curious, how does one set this up? I went to the Edit Profile and saw
no such option.

On 7/26/2011 10:39 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
....
The mirka white paper is useless. I have to use it up. In a few strokes
there is no grit left. It turns a gray and is pretty much gone...

Mirka gold, is quite a bit better than the white. It last much longer.

3M freecut gold ... lasts quite a bit, but turns the wood gold or yellow.

Norton Gold regular, like the Mirka it lasts pretty ok.

Norton 3x AWESOME... it lasts and lasts. The grit just hangs in there,
it doesn't load up the same as the stuff above. I don't know what it is
about this stuff, but it will be what I buy going forward. I have not
tried Klingspor, So I can't compare.

I mentioned earlier a comparison in FWW recently...

Looked it up; turns out it was in FHB instead (last issue)

Of those they rated, Klingspor VD900 was rated tops overall and also
best value.

Unfortunately, the selection wasn't all that extensive and the
Norton-branded used wasn't 3X so there's no way to tell how they would
have stacked up head to head in their evaluation.

Mirka Gold was in the pack; maybe 2nd for one of the grits used...

--

The troll you address is a Usenet goofball with huge inferiority complex
that knows very little about anything Usenet.

IOW: He is a huge bull****ter.

-----------------------
"GooeyTarballs" wrote in message
...

On Jul 26, 10:03 pm, George Watson
wrote:


Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Aug 2, 10:03 pm).

Curious, how does one set this up? I went to the Edit Profile and saw
no such option.

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This
message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Aug 2, 10:03 pm).

Curious, how does one set this up? I went to the Edit Profile and saw no
such option.

There is, or was, a flag one could set in the header that said "do not
archive". In Pan there is a profile section called "Extra Headers" which
I suspect is where the flag could be added.

But it is up to the archival site to honor that flag or ignore it.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:05:45 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard

There is, or was, a flag one could set in the header that said "do not
archive". In Pan there is a profile section called "Extra Headers" which
I suspect is where the flag could be added.

But it is up to the archival site to honor that flag or ignore it.

And for those of you that are using Forte Agent, this option is under
folder properties/usenet options.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:18:32 -0400, Dave wrote:
There is, or was, a flag one could set in the header that said "do not
archive". In Pan there is a profile section called "Extra Headers" which
I suspect is where the flag could be added.

And for those of you that are using Forte Agent, this option is under
folder properties/usenet options.

Wording error, it's under Folder Properties or Default
Properties/Usenet Options.

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

==============
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ...
There is, or was, a flag one could set in the header that said "do not
archive". In Pan there is a profile section called "Extra Headers" which
I suspect is where the flag could be added.

But it is up to the archival site to honor that flag or ignore it.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0400, Josepi wrote:

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

I'd like to see your proof that I've ever posted under any name but my
own. On second thought, don't bother - I won't see it.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0400, Josepi wrote:

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

I'd like to see your proof that I've ever posted under any name but my
own. On second thought, don't bother - I won't see it.

Don't sweat it Larry - consider the source. He and George Watson are of a
common ilk...

--

-Mike-

On 7/30/11 6:11 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0400, Josepi wrote:

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

I'd like to see your proof that I've ever posted under any name but my
own. On second thought, don't bother - I won't see it.


Oh geez, is this douchenozzle up to this again?
I already went around that circle with him. He's a broken record.
I honestly hopes he gets a job and moves out of Mom's basement so he can
one day, possibly, get laid.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:36:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:
I honestly hope he gets a job and moves out of Mom's basement so he can
one day, possibly, get laid.

Honestly, do you really want to take the chance of him procreating?
Darwin's law is supposed to be "survival of the fittest" not who might
get lucky.

Oh look! Three of your personalities in the same thread repeating the same
thing???

Wot a surprise, George!
------------------

"Dave" wrote in message ...
Honestly, do you really want to take the chance of him procreating?
Darwin's law is supposed to be "survival of the fittest" not who might
get lucky

---------------
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:36:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:
I honestly hope he gets a job and moves out of Mom's basement so he can
one day, possibly, get laid.
..

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:36:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 7/30/11 6:11 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0400, Josepi wrote:

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

I'd like to see your proof that I've ever posted under any name but my
own. On second thought, don't bother - I won't see it.


Oh geez, is this douchenozzle up to this again?
I already went around that circle with him. He's a broken record.
I honestly hopes he gets a job and moves out of Mom's basement so he can
one day, possibly, get laid.

Honestly a troll once you engage them will do just about anything to
keep you playing they're game.

Show us your woodworking posts, George Watson (incarnation)

-------

"Markem" wrote in message
...
Honestly a troll once you engage them will do just about anything to
keep you playing they're game.

They are **ALL** under your name. Show me the posts you posted under a
different name.

Easy proof. Stupid reasoning.
---------------
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0400, Josepi wrote:

Another sock puppet of the troll responds to keep the troll going.

I'd like to see your proof that I've ever posted under any name but my
own. On second thought, don't bother - I won't see it.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

"Josepi" wrote:
Show us your woodworking posts, George Watson (incarnation)

I think this is crazy. But I'd rather have someone
known as the fool explain his condition.

Your freind George Watson left. You missed the closing
door? The on topic post he left you failed.

tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.

I was making some sandpaper storage units, got tired of having curled
paper, or having to sift through tons of different grades/ manufacturers.
And tired of lining up holes on my ROS.

.. seems as though your criteria fit with my ethic:-

This is one for "riddle me" types, maybe.. but let's give it
a shot?

Sometime ago I was bequeathed what did appear as
an unfinished project. Labeled by a plywood tag - twitched
to the work with a piece of baling twine - was the inscription
"CHESS TABLE".

The structure is coffee table height, of Black Walnut material
(a rather valuable rainforest timber) and completely finished
to sand and oil stage. With it were two sticks of timber some
2' in length, one of Red Cedar and the other (I am told)
Baltic Pine - or possibly Milky Pine (if local timber).
The surface or the tabletop consisted of a random
configuration of vacant inlays - isosceles triangles of
3", circles of 3" in diameter and 9²" squares.
All to a depth of 7/16".
Now (today) the project remains as it is was delivered.
Only because - as said on my knocking again on the door
of r.w - I do my best work in metals. Timber, particularly
using precious materials and no "leeway", does not offer
the "weld and grind" escape route metals do offer in
precision work.
Despite the efforts of 3m®, Bear® and Selleys®, products
in boasting "fix anything" timber cannot be made to
"grow to fit" - on the job.
So once I worked out how to proceed the project was
wrapped once again an' placed in storage, with a warm smile
in recognising the 'wit' of my benefactor. A "smart-arse"
ol' "bushie" of yesteryear... having a last laugh.

The question is.
What form factor were the two sticks supplied as
material for inlay fill.
round [ ]
square [ ]
rectangular [ ]
something else [ ]
?
?
?
A clue?
The answer came to me whilst "babysitting" my
3yr old GD, an avid Sesame Street fan.
Positively interesting are the messages in
Sesame Street productions.. for Big Peoples :-)
george

Puzzles me. Fails you.

Pat

In article , Josepi
wrote:

Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Indeed.

"SawDust" wrote in message
...

"Josepi" wrote:
Show us your woodworking posts, George Watson (incarnation)

I think this is crazy. But I'd rather have someone
known as the fool explain his condition.

Your freind George Watson left. You missed the closing
door? The on topic post he left you failed.

tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.

I was making some sandpaper storage units, got tired of having curled
paper, or having to sift through tons of different grades/ manufacturers.
And tired of lining up holes on my ROS.

.. seems as though your criteria fit with my ethic:-

This is one for "riddle me" types, maybe.. but let's give it
a shot?

Sometime ago I was bequeathed what did appear as
an unfinished project. Labeled by a plywood tag - twitched
to the work with a piece of baling twine - was the inscription
"CHESS TABLE".

The structure is coffee table height, of Black Walnut material
(a rather valuable rainforest timber) and completely finished
to sand and oil stage. With it were two sticks of timber some
2' in length, one of Red Cedar and the other (I am told)
Baltic Pine - or possibly Milky Pine (if local timber).
The surface or the tabletop consisted of a random
configuration of vacant inlays - isosceles triangles of
3", circles of 3" in diameter and 9²" squares.
All to a depth of 7/16".
Now (today) the project remains as it is was delivered.
Only because - as said on my knocking again on the door
of r.w - I do my best work in metals. Timber, particularly
using precious materials and no "leeway", does not offer
the "weld and grind" escape route metals do offer in
precision work.
Despite the efforts of 3m®, Bear® and Selleys®, products
in boasting "fix anything" timber cannot be made to
"grow to fit" - on the job.
So once I worked out how to proceed the project was
wrapped once again an' placed in storage, with a warm smile
in recognising the 'wit' of my benefactor. A "smart-arse"
ol' "bushie" of yesteryear... having a last laugh.

The question is.
What form factor were the two sticks supplied as
material for inlay fill.
round [ ]
square [ ]
rectangular [ ]
something else [ ]
?
?
?
A clue?
The answer came to me whilst "babysitting" my
3yr old GD, an avid Sesame Street fan.
Positively interesting are the messages in
Sesame Street productions.. for Big Peoples :-)
george

Puzzles me. Fails you.

Pat

--------------------------

Great! Now you have made him morph into another incarnation!

mike

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

tiredofspam wrote:
Since you guys seem rather lacking a real woodworking topic,
I thought I would start one.

No flies, no Bush league stuff, no crapola.


I see you want to start a conversation about the Bush administration and its
relationship to sandpaper. As you recall, Bush was in a league, the American
League, as managing partner of the Texas Rangers baseball team. Sandpaper,
as you may also know, is stricktly prohibited in baseball (unscrupulous
pitchers sometimes used a bit of sandpaper to rough up the ball, making
difficult throws easier).

Monitoring sandpaper usage gave Dubya a unique perspective and honed skills
that would become useful later in his presidency. For example, detecting
WMDs even though they were well hidden.

LOL!

At least the US political posts, full of US self-importance, are very
similar to sandpaper, in the way 40 grit would be so abrasive to the rest of
the world trying to participate in a woodworking group.

Nothing new here.


----------------------
"Tom B" wrote in message
b.com...
I see you want to start a conversation about the Bush administration and its
relationship to sandpaper. As you recall, Bush was in a league, the American
League, as managing partner of the Texas Rangers baseball team. Sandpaper,
as you may also know, is stricktly prohibited in baseball (unscrupulous
pitchers sometimes used a bit of sandpaper to rough up the ball, making
difficult throws easier).

Monitoring sandpaper usage gave Dubya a unique perspective and honed skills
that would become useful later in his presidency. For example, detecting
WMDs even though they were well hidden.

LOL!

On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:32:48 -0400, "m II" wrote:

At least the US political posts, full of US self-importance, are very
similar to sandpaper, in the way 40 grit would be so abrasive to the rest of
the world trying to participate in a woodworking group.

In the US we're free to ignore speech that irritates us. You don't have such
freedoms in Canuckistan? Most of us are even smart enough to know how to use
a killfile.

Nothing new here.

Indeed. The whining continues.

Most of us are also smart enough to post properly and trim posts...

...

You didn't, we do, you don't, you did, and you didn't.

Best of luck with those.

---------------
wrote in message ...
In the US we're free to ignore speech that irritates us. You don't have
such
freedoms in Canuckistan? Most of us are even smart enough to know how to
use
a killfile.

Indeed. The whining continues.

Most of us are also smart enough to post properly and trim posts...

On 8/7/2011 5:09 AM, m II wrote:
You didn't, we do, you don't, you did, and you didn't.

Best of luck with those.

---------------
wrote in message ...
In the US we're free to ignore speech that irritates us. You don't have
such
freedoms in Canuckistan? Most of us are even smart enough to know how to
use
a killfile.

Indeed. The whining continues.

Most of us are also smart enough to post properly and trim posts...




You need to change that "most" to "a few".