In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:

Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.

The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
--
Doors - Locks - Weatherstripping
POB 250121 Atlanta GA 30325
404/626-2840

Add me to the bunch that wished they'd find another sandbox!

On 3 Jun 2004 05:14:54 -0700, (Ray Kinzler)
wrote:

All this schoolgirl stuff is ludicrous. I get more than I can stand
when my daughter has a bunch of her ten-year-old friends over the
house. Crikkies!

why not run over to the "undersigned" thread and tell Keeter
what you told me? then we'll talk again.

dave

Ray Kinzler wrote:

Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right. And sometimes it
is better to be quiet than to poke the coals.

Wm Jones wrote:

In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:


Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.


The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

--
John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
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"JG" wrote in message:

Wm Jones wrote:

In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:


Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.

The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.


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Swingman wrote:

"JG" wrote in message:

Wm Jones wrote:


In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:



Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.

The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.


But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.

Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?
--
--

Obi Wan

"JG" wrote in message

Swingman wrote:

"JG" wrote in message:

Wm Jones wrote:


In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:



Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.

The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.


But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.

Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?

"No man was more foolish when he had not a pen in his hand, or more wise
when he had."

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/15/04

In article ,
JG wrote:

Wm Jones wrote:

In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:


Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.


The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

--
John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
http://www.shavings.net/images/Memphis/reflect_john.jpg


Your point is exactly correct.

The treasonous, "bi-partisan" false-elite must be brought to justice by
The People.
--
Doors - Locks - Weatherstripping
POB 250121 Atlanta GA 30325
404/626-2840

Swingman wrote:
"JG" wrote in message

Swingman wrote:


"JG" wrote in message:


Wm Jones wrote:



In article ,
(Ray Kinzler) wrote:




Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.

The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.


But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.

Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?


"No man was more foolish when he had not a pen in his hand, or more wise
when he had."

All involutory collineations are harmonic homologies.

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:


45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...

I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.

Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.

That made me feel better.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:


45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...

I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.

Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.

That made me feel better.

I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering sigh.

-Doug

--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw

Doug Winterburn wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:


On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:



45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...

I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.

Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.

That made me feel better.


I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering sigh.

-Doug

I plan on being shot in the back by a jealous husband at the age of 119.
j4

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:39:25 GMT, Doug Winterburn
stated wide-eyed, with arms akimbo:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:


45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...

45 Canuckistani? How many American years is that?


I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.

Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.

That made me feel better.

I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering sigh.

Yeah, at 51, I often wonder if I'll make it to 55.
But I want high-speed corners and burnin' rubber all
the way, please. (See Nahmie's old sig for that.)

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
Yeah, at 51, I often wonder if I'll make it to 55.
But I want high-speed corners and burnin' rubber all
the way, please. (See Nahmie's old sig for that.)

That old thing?(My gawd, did I remember to save it?)

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In article , Tom Watson
wrote:

Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.

That made me feel better.

Gramps made it to 98, and his mom reached 104.

I figger I've got a good shot.

djb

Unisaw A100 wrote in message news:
After pretty much suffering a year from hell he passed away
in February 2002.

It was a very bad year.

This was a deep, personal loss. I purposely stayed out of the several
threads of tribute to him a couple years ago. To join in at that time
seemed to me, too personal or potentially cheapening a relationship
that could be described as nothing less than brotherly. Maybe I just
was reluctant about getting in touch with that deep pain (and also
lose out on the cathartic gift therein) that's released when you write
about someone you've lost and let it go.

I miss Paully Rad. Paul T. Radovanic. I called him Paul Rayovac,
just to be a PITA sometimes. Truly this was a guy with a heart of
gold, a smartassy sense of humor, an admirable intuitive creative soul
if there ever was one. OTOH, he was an Irish/Croat, so God help you
if you ****ed him off. And if ya did, you more than likely deserved
it. But more than anything, Paul was a sensitive problem solver.
Yeah, it sounds cliche', but he loved helping people and he was good
at it.

He should have written a book - Finishing For Dummies - not because he
couldn't have tackled something more technical, but he had a way of
dispelling the voodoo of wood finishing that appealed to the
"Everyman," of woodworking. Paul was as brilliant a student (I
remember him evolving from a first-time plane owner to happy
Neanderdorker) as a teacher. There isn't enough bandwidth to describe
how many times he took a clueless newby polyurinator by the hand and
led him to shellac, Behlen's rock hard table top varnish, Valspar or
anything else he had experience in and believed in.

And for those of us who were lucky enough to know him well - I called
him my, "Udder Brudder Paul," - he had the same compassionate, caring,
yet no bull**** approach to friendship. We spoke weekly, and on one
auspicious occasion, he invented a business trip to come to L.A.,
basically just to see how the hell I was doing. I think the real
reason was that he wanted to have a go at the vaunted #8 in my shop.
We hung out like a coupla 10-year olds with our insect collections
(only with much larger bills).

Though it was way too short, I am grateful for the time Paul had with
us here on this planet. Who am I kidding? He's still there in my
shop, everytime I put a brush in the shellac and make it land and take
off like an airplane, every time I work towards an edge, every time I
pick up his old MF #18C (corrugated Millers Falls fore plance, Jeff)
and put it to work.

The pain of separation from someone like a brother will always be
there. Ya don't get over it - you get by. But it's nothing compared
to the joy in knowing you've literally been touched by wooddorking
angel.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Good-bye Paul. I'm doing ok.

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

"Patrick Olguin" wrote in message
m...



Humbly submitted,

....and read, slowly.

On 4 Jun 2004 11:46:11 -0700, (Patrick Olguin)
wrote:

Unisaw A100 wrote in message news:
After pretty much suffering a year from hell he passed away
in February 2002.


i will not snip this


It was a very bad year.

This was a deep, personal loss. I purposely stayed out of the several
threads of tribute to him a couple years ago. To join in at that time
seemed to me, too personal or potentially cheapening a relationship
that could be described as nothing less than brotherly. Maybe I just
was reluctant about getting in touch with that deep pain (and also
lose out on the cathartic gift therein) that's released when you write
about someone you've lost and let it go.

I miss Paully Rad. Paul T. Radovanic. I called him Paul Rayovac,
just to be a PITA sometimes. Truly this was a guy with a heart of
gold, a smartassy sense of humor, an admirable intuitive creative soul
if there ever was one. OTOH, he was an Irish/Croat, so God help you
if you ****ed him off. And if ya did, you more than likely deserved
it. But more than anything, Paul was a sensitive problem solver.
Yeah, it sounds cliche', but he loved helping people and he was good
at it.

He should have written a book - Finishing For Dummies - not because he
couldn't have tackled something more technical, but he had a way of
dispelling the voodoo of wood finishing that appealed to the
"Everyman," of woodworking. Paul was as brilliant a student (I
remember him evolving from a first-time plane owner to happy
Neanderdorker) as a teacher. There isn't enough bandwidth to describe
how many times he took a clueless newby polyurinator by the hand and
led him to shellac, Behlen's rock hard table top varnish, Valspar or
anything else he had experience in and believed in.

And for those of us who were lucky enough to know him well - I called
him my, "Udder Brudder Paul," - he had the same compassionate, caring,
yet no bull**** approach to friendship. We spoke weekly, and on one
auspicious occasion, he invented a business trip to come to L.A.,
basically just to see how the hell I was doing. I think the real
reason was that he wanted to have a go at the vaunted #8 in my shop.
We hung out like a coupla 10-year olds with our insect collections
(only with much larger bills).

Though it was way too short, I am grateful for the time Paul had with
us here on this planet. Who am I kidding? He's still there in my
shop, everytime I put a brush in the shellac and make it land and take
off like an airplane, every time I work towards an edge, every time I
pick up his old MF #18C (corrugated Millers Falls fore plance, Jeff)
and put it to work.

The pain of separation from someone like a brother will always be
there. Ya don't get over it - you get by. But it's nothing compared
to the joy in knowing you've literally been touched by wooddorking
angel.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Good-bye Paul. I'm doing ok.

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen


He was one of the best, O'Deen - and you are one of the best.



Regards,

Tom.

Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker, ret.
tjwatson1atcomcastdotnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Patrick Olguin wrote:
Good-bye Paul.

Indeed.


I'm doing ok.

Good to hear, I was wondering where you went off too.

O'Deen

--
"thewoodworkerformerlyknowasspokeshve"
--
John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
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Bay Area Dave wrote in message . com...
Tom, here are a few observations from a "bully".

pot.kettle.black

YOU are the one who carries on and on about how horrible
your fellow man is. You have a few kind words to say about
a few of your buddies, but by and large you seem quite the
malcontent and rabble rouser (sort of like me!). To put it
bluntly: you BITCH TOO MUCH. No wonder I refer to you as
Tommy WasteOne. You are a big crybaby. You act like the
Wreck is for YOUR amusement only. Wake up, whiner.

You damaged your rep severely with the tirade you directed
towards me a few months back. I don't mind a few jabs once
in a while (ala JOAT style or some other less obsessed
types), but your unrelenting crap was pathetic for it's show
of the obsessive interest you take in me. Why does my name
EVER show up in your posts, Tommy? The fact that you
mentioned shunning clearly displays your holier than thou
attitude, which is why at this juncture, just in case I
forgot to mention it sometime in the past 2 years, "Tommy,
you are a true ASSHOLE". aaaah! I feel much better!

You are the type of whining crybaby that can dish volumes of
caustic comments and then get all uppity and dismayed when
some poor soul has the temerity to hurl a few justified
insults your way. Guess what I think of you Tommy? You are
a windbag who's had the good fortune to successfully
entertain the good ole boys club that congregates here to
bolster each other's sagging egos. I come on here for TWO
purposes; to discuss woodworking when there's something of
interest for me (lately there hasn't been as my large
projects have been put on hold for months) and to watch the
train wreck known, surprising enough as the "Wreck".

I'd be delighted to the nth degree if you filter me out for
the rest of time.

For god's sakes, Tommy boy; how many times did you refer to
me--about 5 or 6? You are a contradiction in terms. Forget
about me, boy.

Quit lamenting old times and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! YOU are
part of the problem you whine about so much.

dave

Tom Watson wrote:

There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.

There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.

There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
Paully Rad (r.i.p.).

O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.

Duke of Urls was right there beside him.

Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
way.

JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.

Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.

C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
so well.

Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
thought was funny as hell.

****, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
like he's worn out, too.

What do I have now?

Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
of involvement.

What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of ****.

I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.

We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
what it should be.

Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
enjoy?

I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.

I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
ignoring the assholes.

There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.

There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.

But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
unreflective gathering of nanominds.

I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.

I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
never used in this place before.

I'll give you my pledge.

I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
show up referenced in other posts.

I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
when I really loved being here.

I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:

Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
since I have been here.

Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
Bennett.

BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.

I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.

Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
I can and encourage where I can't.

I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
much.

If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.




Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Treat yourself and your entire family to awesome nipple treatment by
nipple-specialist Bay Area Dave and his slut.

You have not lived until you have experienced this.

Here is a photo of Bay Area Dave's slut-

http://www.valley-girl.net/shepost3/urj5c030.jpg