Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a
pattern and a template routing bit. I just don't think my small Ryobi is
up to the job. Now I know that this can easily turn into a flame war, like
Ford vs. Chevy or IBM vs. Mac, etc but I am still looking for opinions.
Of course I'd like a good deal but I'd rather save up and buy quality then
skimp on price and then have to go out and buy the good one later on anyway.

Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?
variable speed/soft starting
1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).
I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.
Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

Thanks
Brian

How about the Triton. I had a PC and a Bosch. But I'd buy another Triton
in a hot minute. It's great in the table.

Cheers
JOHN

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Rose Cottage Woodworks
www.rosecottageinn.co.nz/woodworks
"Brian S" wrote in message
om...
Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for
opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a
pattern and a template routing bit. I just don't think my small Ryobi is
up to the job. Now I know that this can easily turn into a flame war,
like
Ford vs. Chevy or IBM vs. Mac, etc but I am still looking for opinions.
Of course I'd like a good deal but I'd rather save up and buy quality then
skimp on price and then have to go out and buy the good one later on
anyway.

Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?
variable speed/soft starting
1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).
I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.
Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

Thanks
Brian

I have the Dewalt 625, and it's great. Starts so soft that I have plugged
it in with the switch on, and it didn't even tip over.
Personally I wouldn't take another Makita tool as a gift (and I mean that
literally). I used to like them, but I have thrown away my last two
purchases, they blew apart within a year, and were more expensive to repair
than it was worth.
You don't need 3HP, any of the good brand 1.5HP ones are enough. The only
other plunge that I have used is the 3HP porter cable, and it was nice, but
I would rather have the dewalt.

Craig

"Brian S" wrote in message
om...
Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for
opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a
pattern and a template routing bit. I just don't think my small Ryobi is
up to the job. Now I know that this can easily turn into a flame war,
like
Ford vs. Chevy or IBM vs. Mac, etc but I am still looking for opinions.
Of course I'd like a good deal but I'd rather save up and buy quality then
skimp on price and then have to go out and buy the good one later on
anyway.

Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?
variable speed/soft starting
1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).
I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.
Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

Thanks
Brian

On 16 May 2004 18:05:53 -0700, (Brian S) wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a
pattern and a template routing bit. I just don't think my small Ryobi is
up to the job. Now I know that this can easily turn into a flame war, like
Ford vs. Chevy or IBM vs. Mac, etc but I am still looking for opinions.
Of course I'd like a good deal but I'd rather save up and buy quality then
skimp on price and then have to go out and buy the good one later on anyway.

Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?
variable speed/soft starting
1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).
I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.
Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

Thanks
Brian




what I have, and thus can recommend:

freud, for the big bits. this router is big, solid and reliable. it's
not the most sophisticated machine out there but it's a real
workhorse.

PC690, for midsize stuff. this is a good all around machine. no
regrets.

this is in no way a condemnation of other routers. there are lots of
good ones out there. pat warner's website would be a good place to do
more in depth research.

On 16 May 2004 18:05:53 -0700, (Brian S) wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a


Contrary to popular advice, I bought a Chiwanese Cheapie for a couple
of years, it let me make a few mistakes, get familiar with routers,
and do some useful routing. I then looked around a lot, tried out some
friend's ones, read a lot of reviews, then bought the Triton. It's
well worth a look, and has some very neat features. The cheapie is
still retained for some rougher jobs, and it's very small and light.

Usual disclaimer BS. No connection with Triton, etc, etc. My opinion
is worth what you paid for it. No geeks were harmed by the preparation
or transmission of this email.

Barry Lennox

Brian,
Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?

You probably don't need a 3 HP for doing template work. In fact, I
use my PC 690 exclusively for template work.

variable speed/soft starting
Nice feature.

1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).

I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.

Making/Buying a large offset base makes template work so much easier.
It just keeps you from letting that router dip. This would tend to
negate the shape of the router's base.


Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

I own 2 PC 690's and a Triton. I used to have a Ryobi someone gave me
and I tried it once for kicks. That was the last time I used it.

I like my PC 690's and have run them through the ringer. It was my
first router and I definitely stretched it beyond its limits (rasied
panels, large ogees and profiles, etc.) I was just working on a
project this past January when it started making a funny whinning
noise and I knew right away I needed to get it serviced. That was
after 5 years of heavy use. Sent it for service and bought a new 690
motor. Now I have 2, 1 for the plunge, 1 for the fixed base. The one
negative I can say is that recently my plunge base sticks a little and
needed some attention, mostly stemming from the spring tension in the
handle.

I love my Triton (DAGS Woodchuck34 Triton) and I can tell you they're
customer service is unbelievable. I get the impression that they are
really trying to build the same name recognition in North America that
they have in the rest of the world (did you notice all the positive
remarks that come in from people overseas).

I hate when people give recommend a router they have never used, which
is why I always try to state which ones I've owned. If you are
looking at a particular model and don't get the advise you need here,
I would recommend going to Pat Warner's ( www.patwarner.com )site and
doing a little research. If you can't find any info there, look at
his magazine section ( http://www.patwarner.com/warner_magazine.html )
and buy the review of the one you want. He will give you more detail
about a router than you probably even want to know.

If you have any questions about the PC or Triton, feel free to drop me
a line.

Hope that helps,

Chuck

I'd recommend the DeWalt DW621. For inside routing, the vacuum attachment
not only clears the chips, but also helps cool the bit. It's got the oblong
base you want, with the parallel sides, plus an excellent plunge stroke. It
accepts PC template bushings, has soft start/electronic speed control, both
collets, and one of the better depth guides.

Some don't like the plunge lock/release mechanism, or the power switch lock,
but they become second nature, after a few minutes using the tool.

It's my favorite router, and I have four. I'd buy another, without
hesitation, if I needed one.

Kevin
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Where are those Iraqi WMDs, NOW?


"Brian S" wrote in message
om...
Hi folks,

I'm looking to buy a more powerful plunge router and I'm looking for
opinions
or any pointers to recent good magazine reviews. I have a job coming up
that I will be making many many pieces out of 3/4 birch ply by using a
pattern and a template routing bit. I just don't think my small Ryobi is
up to the job. Now I know that this can easily turn into a flame war,
like
Ford vs. Chevy or IBM vs. Mac, etc but I am still looking for opinions.
Of course I'd like a good deal but I'd rather save up and buy quality then
skimp on price and then have to go out and buy the good one later on
anyway.

Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?
variable speed/soft starting
1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).
I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.
Accurate and smooth plunge action.
A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

Thanks
Brian

"Brian S" wrote in message

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Here's the features I want:
Plunge router 1HP Do I need 3HP?

DW621 is 2 1/4 hp, relatively quiet and relatively light
(relative to PC)

variable speed/soft starting

DW621 has both

1/2 collet but able to take 1/4 shank bits with an adapter or different
collet (I have a bunch of 1/4 shank bits already).

DW621 comes with both 1/2" and 1/4" collets

I prefer the oblong bases with parallel edges vs. a true circular base.

DW621 has round ends - with different distances from center
of bit and two parallel straight sides - each a different
distance
from the center of the bit.

The advantage of a straight side against a fence is that
the distance to the center of the bit stays constant
whereas with a "round base" the base has to be perfectly
round and perfectly centered to keep the distance to the
center of the bit constant. Turn the base even just a little
and your cut wanders off its line.

Accurate and smooth plunge action.
The DW621 has one of, if not the smoothest plunge around.

A kit deal would be good. i.e with a case/edge guide included

Most manufacturers edge guides are so-so. If you want
precision look into getting the Micro-Fence - a nice
precision fence system.


Another nice thing about the DW621 is that you only
need one wrench to change bits rather than two as
required for the PC and similar routers.

Having the plunge lock on one handle and the on/off
trigger on the other, the latter requiring pushing a
button down and then squeezing the "trigger" , means
a) you keep both hands on the handles
b) you cant accidentally turn on the unit as you
pick it up by the "trigger" handle.

The fine adjust on the bit height/depth of cut is nice
and easy to use

The plunge return spring is easy to remove if you
want to use the DW621 in a router table

I've got two DW621s - one in the router table and
one for hand held use. I went with the DW621
BEFORE reading Pat Warner's preference for it.

So what brand? Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Others?
Would you buy it (say from Amazon) without holding one or getting the feel
of it?

I want to play with a power tool before buying it.
I mail order from Lee Valley, Rockler, Hartville
and Garrett Wade, but Amazon? - Nope. And
I don't mail order power tools - just hand tools.


charlie b