Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

In article ,
"J. Clarke" wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

Joe Gwinn

On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In ,
"J. wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh Count up four paragraphs.

On Jul 31, 10:24*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:



In ,
* "J. *wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. *Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? *The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. *If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. *It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh *Count up four paragraphs.

I counted up four paragraphs and it said some thing about finding a
blacksmith, but nothing about the size of the wheel.

How big is the wheel? {ducking}

R

On 07/31/2010 08:26 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jul 31, 10:24 am, "J. wrote:
On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:



In ,
"J. wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh Count up four paragraphs.

I counted up four paragraphs and it said some thing about finding a
blacksmith, but nothing about the size of the wheel.

How big is the wheel? {ducking}

"The wheel is 2 feet in diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a
barbecue or the like."

--

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Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
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In article ,
Tim Wescott wrote:

On 07/31/2010 08:26 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jul 31, 10:24 am, "J. wrote:
On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:



In ,
"J. wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills.
It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh Count up four paragraphs.

I counted up four paragraphs and it said some thing about finding a
blacksmith, but nothing about the size of the wheel.

How big is the wheel? {ducking}

"The wheel is 2 feet in diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a
barbecue or the like."

The diameter (2') is only one of the three needed numbers. What is thickness
and width?

Joe Gwinn

On Jul 31, 12:14*pm, Tim Wescott wrote:
On 07/31/2010 08:26 AM, RicodJour wrote:



On Jul 31, 10:24 am, "J. *wrote:
On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:

In ,
* *"J. * *wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. *Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? *The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. *If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. *It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh * *Count up four paragraphs.

I counted up four paragraphs and it said some thing about finding a
blacksmith, but nothing about the size of the wheel.

How big is the wheel? *{ducking}

"The wheel is 2 feet in diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a
barbecue or the like."

Okay, are we talking about J. Clarke's feet or yours? One of each...?
{ducking once again}

R

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:14:13 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On 07/31/2010 08:26 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jul 31, 10:24 am, "J. wrote:
On 7/31/2010 9:44 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:



In ,
"J. wrote:

Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

A charcoal fire will do the trick, and most jurisdictions allow grills. It's
the smoke they object to.

How big is the tire?

sigh Count up four paragraphs.

I counted up four paragraphs and it said some thing about finding a
blacksmith, but nothing about the size of the wheel.

How big is the wheel? {ducking}

"The wheel is 2 feet in diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a
barbecue or the like."

How about one of these.

http://www.harborfreight.com/lawn-ga...rch-91033.html

Mark

In article ,
J. Clarke wrote:
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

2 feet in diameter is about the size of a large pizza. Will it fit
in your oven?


--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

On 7/31/2010 10:13 AM, Larry W wrote:
In ,
J. wrote:
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

2 feet in diameter is about the size of a large pizza. Will it fit
in your oven?

No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it has
to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden parts in
compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes from. 500F
will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low carbon steel, red
heat will give close to a half inch. The various 1800s and early 1900s
blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in use at the time would
expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.

On Jul 31, 11:12*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 7/31/2010 10:13 AM, Larry W wrote:





In ,
J. *wrote:
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. *Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? *The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. *If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

2 feet in diameter is about the size of a large pizza. Will it fit
in your oven?

No. *21 wide by 17 deep. *There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. *The tire doesn't just have to fit, it has
to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden parts in
compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes from. *500F
will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low carbon steel, red
heat will give close to a half inch. *The various 1800s and early 1900s
blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in use at the time would
expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.

Three barbecues in a triangle?

According to this sectional tires are also authentic:
http://www.wheelwrights.org/craft_history_frame.html

I'd angle the ends of one felloe such that screws through the rim
wedge it in.

Long ago I watched the smith at Mystic Seaport finish a wheel. IIRC he
had a jig that clamped the wheel together and located the hot rim when
he dropped it on.

jsw

No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it has
to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden parts in
compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes from. 500F
will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low carbon steel, red
heat will give close to a half inch. The various 1800s and early 1900s
blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in use at the time would
expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.



Clear a spot on the ground and pile some charcoal over it. Perhaps use old
bricks to shore up the outer diameter of the pile. I don't know if this
violates your 'no burn' statute, but you could say you are roasting a goat.

Judicious use of a high output propane weed burner would eventually work as
well.

-Bruce

On Jul 31, 2:11*pm, Bruce wrote:
...

Clear a spot on the ground and pile some charcoal over it. Perhaps use old
bricks to shore up the outer diameter of the pile. I don't know if this
violates your 'no burn' statute, but you could say you are roasting a goat.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
....

That's it! Just tell them you are resurrecting an ancient practice
that requires sacrificing a goat.

Not that ancient around here, it seems from the number entrails bags we
get in the fields and road ditches...

--

"J. Clarke" wrote in
:


No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it
has to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden
parts in compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes
from. 500F will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low
carbon steel, red heat will give close to a half inch. The various
1800s and early 1900s blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in
use at the time would expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.


You've got 27" to work with if you put it in diagonally. There's a third
dimension to be concerned about, but it's faster to try it than to work
on all the calculations.

It doesn't matter if your oven tops out before the wheel has expanded
enough, though. (But you knew this.)

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

On 7/31/2010 9:28 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
"J. wrote in
:


No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it
has to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden
parts in compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes
from. 500F will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low
carbon steel, red heat will give close to a half inch. The various
1800s and early 1900s blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in
use at the time would expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.


You've got 27" to work with if you put it in diagonally.

How do you figure? If I tilt it up front to back then I've only got the
21 width. If I tilt it side to side then I've only got the 17 depth.

There's a third
dimension to be concerned about, but it's faster to try it than to work
on all the calculations.

It doesn't matter if your oven tops out before the wheel has expanded
enough, though. (But you knew this.)

Puckdropper

"J. Clarke" wrote in news:i32np002bm0
@news6.newsguy.com:


You've got 27" to work with if you put it in diagonally.

How do you figure? If I tilt it up front to back then I've only got the
21 width. If I tilt it side to side then I've only got the 17 depth.

Pythagorean theorem. This only would work if you've got enough height to
stand the wheel vertically across the oven.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

In article ,
J. Clarke wrote:
On 7/31/2010 10:13 AM, Larry W wrote:
In ,
J. wrote:
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

2 feet in diameter is about the size of a large pizza. Will it fit
in your oven?

No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it has
to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden parts in
compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes from. 500F
will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low carbon steel, red
heat will give close to a half inch. The various 1800s and early 1900s
blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in use at the time would
expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.

Yeahbut applies. a standard commercial pizza oven holds typically
*six* minimum (16-18") and will hit into the 8-900F range if pushed.

Now, arranging to "borrow' a pizza place's oven, *that's* a whole nuther
level of complexity. grin

Similarly, it'd take a *really* big ceramics kiln to fit that tire in.

On Aug 2, 3:58*am, (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
In article ,

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.

Yeahbut applies. *a standard commercial pizza oven holds typically
*six* minimum (16-18") and will hit into the 8-900F range if pushed.

Now, arranging to "borrow' a pizza place's oven, *that's* a whole nuther
level of complexity. *grin

Not at all. Stick a flat metal circle on it, tell the pizza guy that
you'll pay him $20 to test out your new invention - The Pizza Magic
Oven Ring. Then after the 'test', grab the thing, run outside and
start pounding the wheel together in his parking lot.

R

Robert Bonomi wrote:

In article ,
J. Clarke wrote:
On 7/31/2010 10:13 AM, Larry W wrote:
In ,
J. wrote:
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

2 feet in diameter is about the size of a large pizza. Will it fit
in your oven?

No. 21 wide by 17 deep. There's also the question of whether it gets
hot enough for good take-up. The tire doesn't just have to fit, it has
to be a little undersized when cold so that it loads the wooden parts in
compression--that's where the strength of the wheel comes from. 500F
will give about a quarter inch of expansion with low carbon steel, red
heat will give close to a half inch. The various 1800s and early 1900s
blacksmithing journals suggest that the iron in use at the time would
expand more than this.

By the way, the large pizza from the big chains is 14-15 inch, the
independents may go 18.


Cassano's used to sell a 40" party pizza, but you had to order it
three days before the party. The price was about $30, 25 years ago. I
always wanted to see how much I could eat, in one try. When I was in my
20s, we used to have pizza eating contests. We had a half hour for
lunch, which gave us 20 minutes to eat. I could put away one and a half
18" thick crust pizza and two large glasses of Pepsi. I weighted 175
pounds. The only one in the group who ever beat me weighed close to 400
pounds.

http://cassanos.com/


Yeahbut applies. a standard commercial pizza oven holds typically
*six* minimum (16-18") and will hit into the 8-900F range if pushed.


A lot of places use belt drive ovens these days. They look like
early hot air reflow soldering machines.


Now, arranging to "borrow' a pizza place's oven, *that's* a whole nuther
level of complexity. grin

Similarly, it'd take a *really* big ceramics kiln to fit that tire in.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Now, arranging to "borrow' a pizza place's oven, *that's* a whole
nuther level of complexity. grin

Similarly, it'd take a *really* big ceramics kiln to fit that tire
in.

nah, that's a pretty average one. mine will take a 21" round with about 1/2"
to spare on the sides.

you might call around to some ceramic or glass artists, a ceramic supply
store, or one of those paint on ceramics mall places, to 'borrow' some heat
for a while. the charge for a firing would be only a few dollars.

regards,
charlie
http://www.glassartists.org/ChaniArts

Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set
in place and let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.
Steve

"J. Clarke" wrote in message ...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just
for looks--make a steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under it will hold it, but the devil in me
wants to do a proper job and shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the
like. If I was making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and call it a barbie, but that's a
lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the making than in having a wheel.

On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Can the whole two foot diameter wheel be brought to temperature at once
with a rose bud torch?

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to
put a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for
looks--make a steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a
little epoxy under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a
proper job and shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in
diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If
I was making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal
pit big enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one
wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in
the making than in having a wheel.

On 7/31/2010 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Can the whole two foot diameter wheel be brought to temperature at once
with a rose bud torch?

Thinking about it, this is probably the way to go. Push me off center
to get an oxyacetylene rig.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to
put a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for
looks--make a steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a
little epoxy under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a
proper job and shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in
diameter, making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If
I was making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal
pit big enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one
wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in
the making than in having a wheel.

On Jul 31, 12:39*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 7/31/2010 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Can the whole two foot diameter wheel be brought to temperature at once
with a rose bud torch?

Thinking about it, this is probably the way to go. *Push me off center
to get an oxyacetylene rig.

Or build a Morris Dovey solar collector and heat it up parabolically.

R

RicodJour wrote:
....
Or build a Morris Dovey solar collector and heat it up parabolically.
....

chuckle...

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boss and I would chit chat while we used two torches and two rolls of
solder to assemble 1 1/4 copper pipe for boiler heat systems.

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"J. Clarke"
wrote in message ...

Can the whole two foot diameter wheel be brought to temperature at
once
with a rose bud torch?

Thinking about it, this is probably the way to go. Push me off center
to get an oxyacetylene rig.

On 7/31/2010 9:01 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Six guys with six torches? When I was more actively doing HVAC. The
boss and I would chit chat while we used two torches and two rolls of
solder to assemble 1 1/4 copper pipe for boiler heat systems.

Looking at this further, I may need a bigger tank than I'd want to
handle to get this whole thing to red heat with oxyacetylene. Mongo
weed burner is looking like the right tool.

On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Thinking on this yet more, any recommendation on a starter setup for
acetylene? Should I go with the Lincoln package that Lowes and Home
Despot and the like have, or find a welding store and ask for advice or
is there a standard first set that everbody has or what?

If I'm going to spend the money I may as well get set up with something
decent that can grow with me.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:32:44 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Thinking on this yet more, any recommendation on a starter setup for
acetylene? Should I go with the Lincoln package that Lowes and Home
Despot and the like have, or find a welding store and ask for advice or
is there a standard first set that everbody has or what?

If I'm going to spend the money I may as well get set up with something
decent that can grow with me.

Check your local Craigslist or put on an add for a torch, tips, ROSEBUD
and gauges.

Most of the sets Ive found here in California are the tiny a/c service
bottles. Get the biggest set of bottles (and cart) you can find.

Gunner


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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On 7/31/2010 10:30 AM, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Simple, make the ring 1/8 small. Roll to shape and butt weld. Dress with
a grinder and heat with a rose bud acetylene torch . Set in place and
let it cool. No smoke, no noise and no problems.

Thinking on this yet more, any recommendation on a starter setup for
acetylene? Should I go with the Lincoln package that Lowes and Home
Despot and the like have, or find a welding store and ask for advice or is
there a standard first set that everbody has or what?

If I'm going to spend the money I may as well get set up with something
decent that can grow with me.

I used to make gym equipment and used acetylene to cut things. When I wanted
to heat something up to bend it I used propane. Now if you have other uses
for it, OK. But if this is the only thing you are going to do with it,
consider propane.

The welding rigs you get at the big box stores are cheapened to specs by the
stores. They wanted to sell something at a particular price point. The stuff
you buy at a real welding store is much better quality. Of course, you pay
for that quality.

I would, at the very least, go to a welding store or two and talk to them.
They are far more knowledgable and can steer you in the right direction.

Another thing to consider, the cost of tanks. Each area has their own
particular laws concerning tanks. Where I am, you cannot own them. You must
rent them. And they can only be transported in an upright position in a
secure carrier of some kind. There may be restrictions on even having tanks
at home. And if you do, you may need to post signs and notify the fire
department. Again, each area is different. This is another reason to talk to
the local welding store. They know all the regulations for the local area.
They need to if they want a viable business.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a
metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

On Jul 31, 12:10*pm, "Lee Michaels" wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message

...



Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a
metal tire on it. *Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? *The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. *If I was making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? *Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

Use the tire as the fire ring....
Once it is hot enough, install.

On 7/31/2010 1:58 PM, Cross-Slide wrote:
On Jul 31, 12:10 pm, "Lee wrote:
"J. wrote in message

...



Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a
metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

Use the tire as the fire ring....
Once it is hot enough, install.

There's a notion, but will that get it properly red hot?

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:57:25 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 7/31/2010 1:58 PM, Cross-Slide wrote:
On Jul 31, 12:10 pm, "Lee wrote:
"J. wrote in message

...



Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a
metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

Use the tire as the fire ring....
Once it is hot enough, install.

There's a notion, but will that get it properly red hot?

Sure, use a little LOX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBLr_XrooLs

On 7/31/2010 1:10 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put a
metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

It's about the journey, not the destination. I'd like to do it just so
I know I can.

J. Clarke wrote:
On 7/31/2010 1:10 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to
put a
metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under
it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and shrink
the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire
in the
back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making
a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big enough
and
call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

Well, you could get a big tank of propane and/or other gas and just
heat up
the whole thing. I would think tha it would take a fair amount of gas and
time.

As for a charcol pit, that would probsbly work. How about just making a
circular pit? Dig a hole in the ground a bit bigger than the wheel, but
leave the middle intact. So you are just heating the steel itself and
not a
big unrelated area.

This seems like a whole lot of work and bother for a little authenticity.
Is it really worth all this trouble?

It's about the journey, not the destination. I'd like to do it just so
I know I can.
Id go down the propane route.as follows by making a vertical furnace.
Get your weed killer big as you can afford.
use bricks to make 2 walls 2in apart by 2ft long by 2 ft tall. blockoff
one end and the top all bar say a 2in part.
put your iron wheel inside between the 2 walls.
In the opposite bottom corner leave a 2in gap. Light your propane burner
apply flame to bottom hole. Heat steadily for probably 30 mins till the
whole of the inside is red hot inc the iron wheel.
Have your wooden wheel supported flat on some bricks and your tongs at
the ready. Take out the redhot iron place on the wheel and hammer down.
Pour lots of cold water on it ant it will shrink up well.all youll get
is lot of steam.
hope this helps.
Ted
Dorset in UK.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

There's no need to dig a pit. Just set the rim on the ground and raise it
up about an inch or two with rocks or anything that won't burn. Cover
the entire rim with charcoal and light it. There's no need for charcoal in
the center of the circle. It shouldn't burn with any more smoke than a
bbq. Raising the rim gives room for air to get to the charcoal under it
and will heat it better. Underhill, the Woodwright, did a show years
back on this very subject. The actual fitting required some fine adjustments
with a sledgehammer, and be sure to have plenty of buckets of water handy
for when the fitting is done.
Art

On 7/31/2010 4:09 PM, Artemus wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

There's no need to dig a pit. Just set the rim on the ground and raise it
up about an inch or two with rocks or anything that won't burn. Cover
the entire rim with charcoal and light it. There's no need for charcoal in
the center of the circle. It shouldn't burn with any more smoke than a
bbq.

It's a no burn ordinance, not a no smoke ordinance. It's the fire not
in a fireproof container that's the issue, not the smoke.

Raising the rim gives room for air to get to the charcoal under it
and will heat it better. Underhill, the Woodwright, did a show years
back on this very subject. The actual fitting required some fine adjustments
with a sledgehammer, and be sure to have plenty of buckets of water handy
for when the fitting is done.
Art

In article , "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 7/31/2010 4:09 PM, Artemus wrote:
"J. wrote in message
...
Working on a decorative wagon wheel in wood, but I'd really like to put
a metal tire on it. Now, that's no trick if it's just for looks--make a
steel ring that's close enough to the dimension that a little epoxy
under it will hold it, but the devil in me wants to do a proper job and
shrink the thing.

Trouble is that this is a no-burn area so I can't just light a fire in
the back yard and heat the tire.

So, any ideas on how to go about this? The wheel is 2 feet in diameter,
making the tire too big to fit in a barbecue or the like. If I was
making a bunch of 'em I'd be tempted to just build a charcoal pit big
enough and call it a barbie, but that's a lot of work for one wheel.

And yeah, I know I can find a blacksmith, but I'm more interested in the
making than in having a wheel.

There's no need to dig a pit. Just set the rim on the ground and raise it
up about an inch or two with rocks or anything that won't burn. Cover
the entire rim with charcoal and light it. There's no need for charcoal in
the center of the circle. It shouldn't burn with any more smoke than a
bbq.

It's a no burn ordinance, not a no smoke ordinance. It's the fire not
in a fireproof container that's the issue, not the smoke.

A ring of firebrick laying on the ground is by definition a fireproof container.
That's what firebrick is made for. So would a sheet of steel qualify.

I would get a copy of the actual ordinance and see what it *really* requires.

Joe Gwinn