Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

--
Keith

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need
N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

--
Keith



The only program that I have used is Sheet Layout. I have used it for
years, and have upgraded a few times. I like it a lot, but have not kept
current with other options. The website is www.sheetlayout.com

Good Luck - Bob

Hi Keith,
I use "Cut List Plus" silver edition ( I think) and am happy with it. I have
received two free upgrades since I originally purchased it. They have a free
trial version as well. Cheers, JG

http://cutlistplus.com/

Keith wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

--
Keith

"Keith" wrote in message
Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need
N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

Cutlist Plus is my favorite. I have the Gold edition and would as soon start
a project of any size without my table saw.

http://cutlistplus.com/

There may be others out there that are as good, but I feel fairly certain
you will be satisfied with CutList Plus.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 3/27/04

I have started using CutList last year and it makes a world of
difference in my wood buying trips and figuring out panel cutting from
plywood. Its made more difference than I expected.


"Keith" wrote in message ...
Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

In article , rob wrote:
I have started using CutList last year and it makes a world of
difference in my wood buying trips and figuring out panel cutting from
plywood. Its made more difference than I expected.


"Keith" wrote in message ...
Does anyone have any recommendations on "cut list" software? (i.e., I need N
pieces at A x B, what's the best way to cut them from a 4x8 sheet, etc)

I'm looking at the CutList "compare features" page right now. Can anyone
explain what "copies allowed per part" means? I'm not really likely to
make 1000 copies (or 5000 for the gold version) of anything, but...

"Ed Clarke" wrote in message

I'm looking at the CutList "compare features" page right now. Can anyone
explain what "copies allowed per part" means? I'm not really likely to
make 1000 copies (or 5000 for the gold version) of anything, but...

It's not anything to concern you unless you are running a production shop
and making hundreds of a particular item, say like a Mission hall bench.

Let's say the bench requires 25 slats of the exact same dimension. Your
enter the slat (part) once in CutList program and the number of "copies"
that you would make for each bench would be 25.

You can see that if you were going to use the program to figure the cost,
cutlist, layouts, and raw materials list for a 100 of these benches, you
would need the Gold version.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 3/27/04

Hello,
You may also like ot have a look at our PLUS 2D software.
The light version should be sufficient for rectangular parts.
A demo is available from the downloadcenter at www.nirvanatec.com
s.shrikanth
Nirvana Technologies

I won't even try your software.

I will NOT download and run and executable (.EXE file) just to see screen
shots of your product (and no one else should EVER do that either).

That was a horrible idea. Just put them in a web page to view them online.
Unless there is some reason that you are making it difficult for potential
customers to simply get a look at your product. If your product has any
merit and you are not ashamed to show it off, you will put your screen shots
on your web site.

So, in case I was vague in my opinion, you should NEVER, EVER, NOT ONE
SINGLE TIME, download and run ANY executable unless ABSOLUTELY necessary!!!
ESPECIALLY from a company that you have NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE!!

Downloading and using software from a reputable vendor is an acceptable
risk.

Downloading and running a potentially harmful executable file just for the
simple pleasure of being able to see what the eventual software even looks
like and before deciding if it is right for you and then downloading and
running the software, especially in this case being that the vendor is
completely unknown and half way around the globe, DOES NOT QUALIFY!!

Even if you have good intentions, who knows if your server has been infected
by a virus without your knowledge. Any server can be hit with a virus. So,
everyone should have the automatic attitude to not trust any download from
any company. Especially an unknown company. Major software companies
(Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc) have money and resources to mitigate these
issues. Still, I quarantine and scan EVERYTHING I download. And I only
download from companies that I trust. Since I do not know NirvanaTec, it is
just not worth the risk.

Okay, my meds are starting to kick in now. Losing interest in this topic.

Oh, look. A butterfly....


codepath




"Shrikanth S" wrote in message
m...
Hello,
You may also like ot have a look at our PLUS 2D software.
The light version should be sufficient for rectangular parts.
A demo is available from the downloadcenter at www.nirvanatec.com
s.shrikanth
Nirvana Technologies

"Shrikanth S" wrote in message
m...
Hello,
You may also like ot have a look at our PLUS 2D software.
The light version should be sufficient for rectangular parts.
A demo is available from the downloadcenter at www.nirvanatec.com
s.shrikanth
Nirvana Technologies


I don't think too many woodworkers could spend $400 on this type program.

Neal

In article , Swingman wrote:

Let's say the bench requires 25 slats of the exact same dimension. Your
enter the slat (part) once in CutList program and the number of "copies"
that you would make for each bench would be 25.

You can see that if you were going to use the program to figure the cost,
cutlist, layouts, and raw materials list for a 100 of these benches, you
would need the Gold version.

Ah! Now I understand - it's nothing to concern me as a hobbiest.

Now, I'm looking at the samples on the register page:

http://cutlistplus.com/register.aspx

There's no way you're going to cut sample #1 or #2 with a table saw. Do
these cutlist programs presume that you're going to use a saber saw to
cut out the pieces? Even sample #3 looks a little "iffy"...

I think you could do both #1 and #2 with a table saw. You would have to
flip it 90 degrees a number of times, but you could do it.

Joe


"Ed Clarke" wrote in message
...
In article , Swingman wrote:

Let's say the bench requires 25 slats of the exact same dimension. Your
enter the slat (part) once in CutList program and the number of "copies"
that you would make for each bench would be 25.

You can see that if you were going to use the program to figure the
cost,
cutlist, layouts, and raw materials list for a 100 of these benches, you
would need the Gold version.

Ah! Now I understand - it's nothing to concern me as a hobbiest.

Now, I'm looking at the samples on the register page:

http://cutlistplus.com/register.aspx

There's no way you're going to cut sample #1 or #2 with a table saw. Do
these cutlist programs presume that you're going to use a saber saw to
cut out the pieces? Even sample #3 looks a little "iffy"...

"Joe Tylicki" wrote in message
I think you could do both #1 and #2 with a table saw. You would have to
flip it 90 degrees a number of times, but you could do it.


With Cutlist Plus you can change the optimization, and thus the cut layouts,
between maximum utilization of material with minimum waste or vice versa.
You can also change the grain direction of the cuts as well as specify the
amount(%) of waste you can live with .

In short, there are a number of ways to do cut layouts depending upon these
parameters, as well as optimization for yield when dealing with rough
lumber.

I don't work for the company and there might be software out there just as
good, this is solely my experience with that particular program.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/02/04

Dear Sir,

Thank you for post and feedback...


I won't even try your software.

I will NOT download and run and executable (.EXE file) just to see screen
shots of your product (and no one else should EVER do that either).


I think there is a misunderstanding here...
- The demo version is a fully working version, and not some
screenshots. It is the same as a normal version, except that
for large problems, it displays only the first
cutting patterns.
You can still input your complete cutlists, optimize, get an
idea of your overall utilizations, see how much you can save,
and then decide if the product is useful to you.


That was a horrible idea. Just put them in a web page to view them online.
Unless there is some reason that you are making it difficult for potential
customers to simply get a look at your product. If your product has any
merit and you are not ashamed to show it off, you will put your screen shots
on your web site.


Now that you mention it, it is indeed a excellet thought
to add more screen shots of the program on the web site.
I will have more details of the software with screenshots
on the website by next week.


So, in case I was vague in my opinion, you should NEVER, EVER, NOT ONE
SINGLE TIME, download and run ANY executable unless ABSOLUTELY necessary!!!
ESPECIALLY from a company that you have NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE!!

Downloading and using software from a reputable vendor is an acceptable
risk.

Downloading and running a potentially harmful executable file just for the
simple pleasure of being able to see what the eventual software even looks
like and before deciding if it is right for you and then downloading and
running the software, especially in this case being that the vendor is
completely unknown and half way around the globe, DOES NOT QUALIFY!!

Even if you have good intentions, who knows if your server has been infected
by a virus without your knowledge. Any server can be hit with a virus. So,
everyone should have the automatic attitude to not trust any download from
any company. Especially an unknown company. Major software companies
(Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc) have money and resources to mitigate these
issues. Still, I quarantine and scan EVERYTHING I download. And I only
download from companies that I trust. Since I do not know NirvanaTec, it is
just not worth the risk.


Some people do like to try the software before buying it, to
see how best it suites them. If one has to try something, I
am sure it has to be downloaded.

An alternative I can think of is to host it on a few download
sites, (say you candownload it from TUCOWS or CNet).
I will see if we can do this.
Would this address the issue you have raised.



I don't think too many woodworkers could spend $400 on this type program.

Neal


We have a large number of customers from woodworking.
That apart, optimization software is availabele from $80 - $8000
and we believe we are giving value for money.
What I would suggest is to try out a few real life jobs,
see the amount PLUS 2D can save for you, and compare the
same with doing things manually or with other products.
That perhaps can justify the price.

with best regards,
s.shrikanth
www.nirvanatec.com

In article ,
says...
Now, I'm looking at the samples on the register page:

http://cutlistplus.com/register.aspx

There's no way you're going to cut sample #1 or #2 with a table saw. Do
these cutlist programs presume that you're going to use a saber saw to
cut out the pieces? Even sample #3 looks a little "iffy"...

With CutList you can specify whether you prefer rip or cross cuts, which
will result in radically different layouts for some projects.

--
Charles Jones -- Loveland, Colorado
ICQ: 29610755
AIM: LovelandCharles
Y!M: charlesjonesathpcom
MSN:

It only took me about 5 minutes to find the registration code on the
internet.............

Charles Jones wrote:
In article ,
says...

Now, I'm looking at the samples on the register page:

http://cutlistplus.com/register.aspx

There's no way you're going to cut sample #1 or #2 with a table saw. Do
these cutlist programs presume that you're going to use a saber saw to
cut out the pieces? Even sample #3 looks a little "iffy"...


With CutList you can specify whether you prefer rip or cross cuts, which
will result in radically different layouts for some projects.

You probably will not object then when someone comes and STEALS your property.


Mapdude wrote:

It only took me about 5 minutes to find the registration code on the
internet.............

Insurance will cover the loss.

Sprog wrote:

You probably will not object then when someone comes and STEALS your property.


Mapdude wrote:


It only took me about 5 minutes to find the registration code on the
internet.............

But not your honor or integrity.

--



Insurance will cover the loss.

Sprog wrote:

You probably will not object then when someone comes and STEALS your property.


Mapdude wrote:


It only took me about 5 minutes to find the registration code on the
internet.............





Talk to the finger, 'cause it don't deserve a whole hand.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:45:21 -0800, "codepath"
wrote:

I won't even try your software.

I will NOT download and run and executable (.EXE file) just to see screen
shots of your product (and no one else should EVER do that either).

That was a horrible idea. Just put them in a web page to view them online.
Unless there is some reason that you are making it difficult for potential
customers to simply get a look at your product. If your product has any
merit and you are not ashamed to show it off, you will put your screen shots
on your web site.

So, in case I was vague in my opinion, you should NEVER, EVER, NOT ONE
SINGLE TIME, download and run ANY executable unless ABSOLUTELY necessary!!!
ESPECIALLY from a company that you have NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE!!

Downloading and using software from a reputable vendor is an acceptable
risk.

Downloading and running a potentially harmful executable file just for the
simple pleasure of being able to see what the eventual software even looks
like and before deciding if it is right for you and then downloading and
running the software, especially in this case being that the vendor is
completely unknown and half way around the globe, DOES NOT QUALIFY!!

Even if you have good intentions, who knows if your server has been infected
by a virus without your knowledge. Any server can be hit with a virus. So,
everyone should have the automatic attitude to not trust any download from
any company. Especially an unknown company. Major software companies
(Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc) have money and resources to mitigate these
issues. Still, I quarantine and scan EVERYTHING I download. And I only
download from companies that I trust. Since I do not know NirvanaTec, it is
just not worth the risk.

Okay, my meds are starting to kick in now. Losing interest in this topic.

Oh, look. A butterfly....


codepath




"Shrikanth S" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
You may also like ot have a look at our PLUS 2D software.
The light version should be sufficient for rectangular parts.
A demo is available from the downloadcenter at www.nirvanatec.com
s.shrikanth
Nirvana Technologies

"Danny Boy" blathered...
In any event, it's just a glorified spreadsheet.

I didn't know that it's a spreadsheet because I didn't download it to find
out. It was in a ZIP file.

You could make up your own if you knew anything about computers.

I could make my own. I can handle data from any source. Spreadsheet,
database, XML, you name it. If it's data, I can access it, parse it, chop it
up 50 different ways and spew it back at you.

You made an incorrect assumption about my knowledge of computers.

Not only were you wrong, you were loud and wrong.

I have been in the computer industry for over 15 years myself. The last 8 at
Microsoft as a developer. You may not like Microsoft's business practices or
some of the management-level decisions regarding our products, but I believe
that most people in the industry would agree that as developers, we ain't
too shabby.

Further: You can get a freeware full office suite including a great
spreadsheet from Open Office Org.

Don't need it, thanks for offering. I've got real software.

...and I don't use Norton, just common sense and a quarter century of
experience with computers.

Not using any sort of anti-virus software (which your statement implied) is
like playing Russian Roulette. With your experience, you should know that a
virus can strike anyone, anytime, anywhere. Does "Code Red" or "Melissa"
ring a bell. I even heard recently that there is a new virus that gets
imbedded into JPG files. If that is true (I have not confirmed it), then all
of the Internet is vulnerable. All you'd have to do is go to the web site.
You wouldn't even have to download anything. Or just one piece of spam gets
thru you filters and boom.

I never said that this company (NirvanaTec) was in any way being malicious
or less than honest. I simply said that, as users, we should perform our due
diligence in trying to mitigate the "potential" threat. I have no way of
knowing if NirvanaTec's web host implements good security practices.

I do think that, as a company, as much information as possible (i.e. screen
shots, etc) should be available on their web site in order for customers to
determine if a product is meets their needs before ever having to download a
single file. Just good practice. Saves bandwidth (which a lot of web host
charge for), saves customer time (don't have to download, install, evaluate,
uninstall, etc), and it reduce the possibility for virus exchange (good for
all parties).

Security issues on the Internet have been sorely lacking for a long time. As
the honeymoon is over, it's time for everyone to do their part to correct
this.

Businesses (large and small) need to consider good security practices to be
a value-add for whatever product or service they provide.

Consumers need to realize that their data and identity are at risk with
every mouse click and do what they can by installing and using anti-virus
software in addition to firewall/anti-intrusion software.

This is not war people. To win this, everyone must support it. And everyone
must participate.

I am here at Microsoft, doing my part to fix security issues in my product
and to keep others motivated to do the same.

So, going to a website (suggested out of the blue by someone you have never
heard of before) to download and run software from a unknown company is
perfectly safe, eh? Was your "quarter century of experience" in sales or
marketing?

Thought so. Pity.

I'd love to stay and make you cry some more. but I gotta go. Someone brought
in Krispy Kremes.


codepath

In rec.woodworking
Mapdude wrote:

Insurance will cover the loss.

Sprog wrote:

You probably will not object then when someone comes and STEALS your property.


Mapdude wrote:


It only took me about 5 minutes to find the registration code on the
internet.............

You're a slimy dirtbag mapscum. There is no insurance to cover what you're
stealing from a guy that devoted countless hours to writing an excellent
program. I hope you choke on the $30.00 you saved cheapskate.

No dickwad. You can't fully evaluate crippled software. IF I download
it to try it, I uncripple it. If I like it, I will buy it. Pure and simple.

Keep your pious high and mighty virtue bull**** for some one who gives a
**** about YOUR OPINIONS.

how is it that proverb goes? Let those who are without sin cast the
first stone.......



Bruce wrote:


You're a slimy dirtbag mapscum. There is no insurance to cover what you're
stealing from a guy that devoted countless hours to writing an excellent
program. I hope you choke on the $30.00 you saved cheapskate.

It's a fact of life cowboy.

Money tight in your household? Thats too bad.

Perhaps on your next trip through this world, you'll get a better hand
of cards to play with......



Then you won't object to your higher insurance premiums to cover more
theft by other assholes.

Dan.

codepath wrote:

I even heard recently that there is a new virus that gets
imbedded into JPG files. If that is true (I have not confirmed
it), then all of the Internet is vulnerable.

Oh my! Since JPEG files aren't ever executed, this would indicate
that at least /one/ vendor's JPEG decoder fails to check for
improperly or maliciously formatted image files, which failure
exposes all of their customers to whatever damage any virus
hacker might choose to inflict.

Hmm. I wonder which software producer would be so careless of
quality and so unconcerned with the welfare of their customers?

I am here at Microsoft, doing my part to fix security issues
in my product and to keep others motivated to do the same.

How could I possibly not have known! I suppose this means I'll
have to install Linux on this (SWMBO's) machine, too...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA

In article , says...
No dickwad. You can't fully evaluate crippled software. IF I download
it to try it, I uncripple it. If I like it, I will buy it. Pure and simple.

Keep your pious high and mighty virtue bull**** for some one who gives a
**** about YOUR OPINIONS.

how is it that proverb goes? Let those who are without sin cast the
first stone.......

The problem is - CutList doesn't cripple their software. Only limits
how often you can use it or the number of parts.
--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

Rick Chamberlain wrote:
In article , says...
No dickwad. You can't fully evaluate crippled software. IF I download
it to try it, I uncripple it. If I like it, I will buy it. Pure and simple.

Keep your pious high and mighty virtue bull**** for some one who gives a
**** about YOUR OPINIONS.

how is it that proverb goes? Let those who are without sin cast the
first stone.......

The problem is - CutList doesn't cripple their software. Only limits
how often you can use it or the number of parts.


What I wonder about is why he had to crow how he'd gotten around the
registration. I believe I'd have kept that information to myself.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

"Morris Dovey" dribbled...
Oh my! Since JPEG files aren't ever executed, this would indicate
that at least /one/ vendor's JPEG decoder fails to check for
improperly or maliciously formatted image files, which failure
exposes all of their customers to whatever damage any virus
hacker might choose to inflict.

Have not been able to confirm this virus. I only heard a small mention of it
on the local news but I missed the name of it. In any case, have you any
idea how many JPEG decaoders there are out there? We do not own all of them.
And once an issue has been discovered, fixes are made available ASAP. If
people choose not to install them, oh well. The fix for the vulnerability
the CodeRed exploited was available for download nearly a full year before
CodeRed hit.

The reason that so many issues are discovered with Windows is that it has a
larger footprint. It's a more juicy target for the fools that create
viruses. Tons of Linux bugs and security issues are disovered all the time,
but they just don't make the news. Doesn't mean that they are not there.

Hmm. I wonder which software producer would be so careless of
quality and so unconcerned with the welfare of their customers?

Anyone who thinks that bugs and security vulnerabilities are consiously and
deliberately release is a fool. Microsoft is very pro-active to correct
issues once discovered.

All software has bugs. Period. Bug-free software is as much of a reality as
unicorns, hobbits, and Iraqi WMDs.

I would guess (don't have actual staistics) that Microsoft expends as much
or more man-hours testing it's software prior to release than any other
software company (or damned close to it). Why do you think that there are
delays in product release (especially the next versions of Visual Studio,
SQL Server, and Windows)? It's because we are being very careful in dealing
with security issues and pumping in tons of testing resources.

How could I possibly not have known! I suppose this means I'll
have to install Linux on this (SWMBO's) machine, too...

Install whatever you want. Free country. If Linux makes you happy, well,
good for you.

Don't get me wrong. I know that Windows has issues. I agree that some of
Microsoft's business practices are lame.

But, down here in the trenches, we developers really do try to create the
best software possible. No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.

Sounds like you are one of those Microsoft-haters. You would hate MS no
matter what we did. What a cliché! You get all loud screaming "Microsoft
sucks" while running Windows. What a hypocrite! Say one thing, do another.

Must be a Republican.



codepath

In article ,
"codepath" wrote:

But, down here in the trenches, we developers really do try to create the
best software possible. No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.

LOL. Riiiight. You think everyone fixes _every_ known bug before
shipping? Most software would never ship. Well known joke amongst
software developers:

Q: "How do you stop you code from having more bugs?"

A: "Stop testing"

Paul

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:51:23 GMT, Mapdude
wrote:

Insurance will cover the loss.

Then you won't object to your higher insurance premiums to cover more
theft by other assholes.

Dan.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:01:04 GMT, Dragon Breath
wrote:

I won't even try your software.

I will NOT download and run and executable (.EXE file) just to see screen
shots of your product (and no one else should EVER do that either).

Utter bloody rubbish. Take a look at the site, and you'll see the
difference between professional quality software and garbage designed
to spread spam or viruses. Those assholes can't even spell
woodworking.

In any event, it's just a glorified spreadsheet. You could make up
your own if you knew anything about computers. Further: You can get
a freeware full office suite including a great spreadsheet from Open
Office Org.

I'm downloading as we speak. ..and I don't use Norton, just common
sense and a quarter century of experience with computers.

Dan.

In article , codepath
wrote:

Sounds like you are one of those Microsoft-haters. You would hate MS no
matter what we did. What a clichŽ! You get all loud screaming "Microsoft
sucks" while running Windows. What a hypocrite! Say one thing, do another.

Must be a Republican.

Must be a Windows user... Who better to yell "Windows sucks" than
someone familiar with the OS?

d&r

--
Okay, so this is my new sig line, eh?

In article
rs.com,
Paul Kierstead wrote:

In article ,
"codepath" wrote:

But, down here in the trenches, we developers really do try to create the
best software possible. No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.

LOL. Riiiight. You think everyone fixes _every_ known bug before
shipping? Most software would never ship.

That's what the Marketing Department is for.

--
Okay, so this is my new sig line, eh?

Ouch!!! Youhurt my feelings..............

Danny Boy wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:36:36 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"

Because he's a troll. Too bad I let that one get by the hit-list.
It's still not too late: .....Plonk! He's a bad memory.

Dan.

Sorry, I may have misspoken. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Allow me to clarify.

By "defective code", I meant critically defective (bugs resulting in any
sort of crash, hang, data loss, memory mis-allocation, etc) or known
security vulnerability.

I did not mean all bugs, which is why I also said, "All software has bugs.
Period. Bug-free software is as much of a reality as unicorns, hobbits, and
Iraqi WMDs.". It is obviously not practical (not to mention even possible)
to fix _every_ bug.

What I meant was that no developer that I know of would ever knowingly ship
with a critical bug or known exploitable security issue. All production on
the next version of Windows completely stop for months until every developer
at Microsoft took a course in writing secure code and then every single line
of code was scrutinized with special attention paid to "buffer
overruns/overflows" (a majority of all issues). I fully expect that number
of those issues to _drastically_ decrease with the next full Windows
release.

No one is perfect. Humans make mistakes. Things get missed sometimes. But I
know that things around here have dramatically changed in the past 3 years
and serious effort is being taken to undo the attitudes of the past.

And, yes, I have heard that joke before. It's funny 'cause it's true.

codepath




"Paul Kierstead" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"codepath" wrote:

But, down here in the trenches, we developers really do try to create
the
best software possible. No developer here would knowingly release
defective
code. Period.

LOL. Riiiight. You think everyone fixes _every_ known bug before
shipping? Most software would never ship. Well known joke amongst
software developers:

Q: "How do you stop you code from having more bugs?"

A: "Stop testing"

Paul

If it sucks so bad, then why continue using it? There are alternatives.

If you drink milk that has spoiled, would you bitch about it and keep
drinking?


codepath



"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
tone.ca...
In article , codepath
wrote:

Sounds like you are one of those Microsoft-haters. You would hate MS no
matter what we did. What a clichŽ! You get all loud screaming "Microsoft
sucks" while running Windows. What a hypocrite! Say one thing, do
another.

Must be a Republican.

Must be a Windows user... Who better to yell "Windows sucks" than
someone familiar with the OS?

d&r

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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:12:30 -0700, "codepath"
wrote:

All software has bugs. Period.
snip...
No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.
snip....
codepath





so just who IS it releasing all of that software....?


G

Key word in sentence: knowingly

No one that I know would _knowingly_ do that.

Just checked, and yes, there it is, I am speaking in English.


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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:12:30 -0700, "codepath"
wrote:

All software has bugs. Period.
snip...
No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.
snip....
codepath





so just who IS it releasing all of that software....?


G

key word in tongue in cheek smartass response: G

I knew what you meant; I was just yanking yer chain a little....




On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:17:05 -0700, "codepath"
wrote:

Key word in sentence: knowingly

No one that I know would _knowingly_ do that.

Just checked, and yes, there it is, I am speaking in English.


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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:12:30 -0700, "codepath"
wrote:

All software has bugs. Period.
snip...
No developer here would knowingly release defective
code. Period.
snip....
codepath





so just who IS it releasing all of that software....?


G

In article , codepath
wrote:

If it sucks so bad, then why continue using it? There are alternatives.

Depends on the environment, and what the IT department dictates.

Personally, I use a Mac.

I have an XP box I'm setting up, but only because our school board has
dictated that's what my children must use. If I had a choice in that, I
wouldn't bother... And I'd rather not see my tax dollars going to
Microsoft.

But I'm not one who goes around yelling "Windows sucks"...

djb

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