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I'd been wondering if those things really DO anything but vibrate and was
reading all the posts when my wife tells me that she and a neighbor are going to the States Thursday on a shopping trip.. Hmmm... Yuma has a small HF! So I give her a page out of readers digest with all the coupons, tell her that I'll try the basic one for $34 before I consider the $80 VS model.. Good news: They had them in stock and even with the straight blade that it comes with, I'm flat amazed how well it cuts! Bad news: Shy happens to mention that "I almost called you about the variable speed one, but you said you wanted the cheap one".. Turns out that IT was on sale for $49, so for another $15 I could have had the newer model.. arggg Anyway, all I've done with it so far is some plunge cuts in pine 1 x 4 scraps, but I'm really impressed.. She watched me unpack it and put a blade on and neither one of us thought it would even cut.. Hell, it looks just like my HF detail sander... I'd recommend this tool to anyone that can afford it.. Just don't see how you can go wrong at $34.. OH.. she also bought 3 different blades for it, since I gave her a 20% off coupon.. Cool! mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... I'd been wondering if those things really DO anything but vibrate and was reading all the posts when my wife tells me that she and a neighbor are going to the States Thursday on a shopping trip.. Hmmm... Yuma has a small HF! So I give her a page out of readers digest with all the coupons, tell her that I'll try the basic one for $34 before I consider the $80 VS model.. Good news: They had them in stock and even with the straight blade that it comes with, I'm flat amazed how well it cuts! Bad news: Shy happens to mention that "I almost called you about the variable speed one, but you said you wanted the cheap one".. Turns out that IT was on sale for $49, so for another $15 I could have had the newer model.. arggg Anyway, all I've done with it so far is some plunge cuts in pine 1 x 4 scraps, but I'm really impressed.. She watched me unpack it and put a blade on and neither one of us thought it would even cut.. Hell, it looks just like my HF detail sander... I'd recommend this tool to anyone that can afford it.. Just don't see how you can go wrong at $34.. OH.. she also bought 3 different blades for it, since I gave her a 20% off coupon.. Cool! There ya go. You now have just the tool to cut through those big ironwood logs you like to play with all the time! |
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On 2/26/2010 1:08 AM, mac davis wrote:
I'd been wondering if those things really DO anything but vibrate and was reading all the posts when my wife tells me that she and a neighbor are going to the States Thursday on a shopping trip.. Hmmm... Yuma has a small HF! So I give her a page out of readers digest with all the coupons, tell her that I'll try the basic one for $34 before I consider the $80 VS model.. Good news: They had them in stock and even with the straight blade that it comes with, I'm flat amazed how well it cuts! Bad news: Shy happens to mention that "I almost called you about the variable speed one, but you said you wanted the cheap one".. Turns out that IT was on sale for $49, so for another $15 I could have had the newer model.. arggg Anyway, all I've done with it so far is some plunge cuts in pine 1 x 4 scraps, but I'm really impressed.. She watched me unpack it and put a blade on and neither one of us thought it would even cut.. Hell, it looks just like my HF detail sander... I'd recommend this tool to anyone that can afford it.. Just don't see how you can go wrong at $34.. OH.. she also bought 3 different blades for it, since I gave her a 20% off coupon.. Cool! mac Please remove splinters before emailing Just about the same reaction when I got mine. Those things are really cool. Bill |
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mac davis wrote:
I'd been wondering if those things really DO anything but vibrate and was reading all the posts when my wife tells me that she and a neighbor are going to the States Thursday on a shopping trip.. Hmmm... Yuma has a small HF! So I give her a page out of readers digest with all the coupons, tell her that I'll try the basic one for $34 before I consider the $80 VS model.. Good news: They had them in stock and even with the straight blade that it comes with, I'm flat amazed how well it cuts! Bad news: Shy happens to mention that "I almost called you about the variable speed one, but you said you wanted the cheap one".. Turns out that IT was on sale for $49, so for another $15 I could have had the newer model.. arggg Anyway, all I've done with it so far is some plunge cuts in pine 1 x 4 scraps, but I'm really impressed.. She watched me unpack it and put a blade on and neither one of us thought it would even cut.. Hell, it looks just like my HF detail sander... I'd recommend this tool to anyone that can afford it.. Just don't see how you can go wrong at $34.. OH.. she also bought 3 different blades for it, since I gave her a 20% off coupon.. Cool! mac Please remove splinters before emailing Had mine for a year now and it's still going strong, and I use it at least 3 times a week for, cutting drywall for electrical outlets, cutting baseboard when replacing with wider door casing, removing tile grout and many other uses I can't think of now. I would suggest using the Dremel or Bosch blades available at most of your Big Box stores. Those blades fit my older model, not sure about the new one. -- You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK ! Mandriva 2010 using KDE 4.3 Website: www.rentmyhusband.biz |
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I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but:
Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. Number One son got me a Dremel as a replacement, but have yet to give it a good workout. Will report back when I do. Larry mac davis wrote: I'd been wondering if those things really DO anything but vibrate and was reading all the posts when my wife tells me that she and a neighbor are going to the States Thursday on a shopping trip.. Hmmm... Yuma has a small HF! So I give her a page out of readers digest with all the coupons, tell her that I'll try the basic one for $34 before I consider the $80 VS model.. Good news: They had them in stock and even with the straight blade that it comes with, I'm flat amazed how well it cuts! Bad news: Shy happens to mention that "I almost called you about the variable speed one, but you said you wanted the cheap one".. Turns out that IT was on sale for $49, so for another $15 I could have had the newer model.. arggg Anyway, all I've done with it so far is some plunge cuts in pine 1 x 4 scraps, but I'm really impressed.. She watched me unpack it and put a blade on and neither one of us thought it would even cut.. Hell, it looks just like my HF detail sander... I'd recommend this tool to anyone that can afford it.. Just don't see how you can go wrong at $34.. OH.. she also bought 3 different blades for it, since I gave her a 20% off coupon.. Cool! mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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mac davis wrote:
Yep. It's like a Xerox machine; once you get it, you wonder how you ever lived without it. Tip: When the cutting blade wears down to a scraper-only configuration (or if you have a spare scraper blade), cut as many notches in it with a Dremel rotary tool and you're good to go. Won't be quite as good as one with pointy teeth, but it's surprising how well the modified blade works. Wanna have some fun? Demonstrate a physical principle? Take a glass of water, pour a small amount of oil on the top. Turn on your MF tool and dip the tip in the liquid. POOF! Instant emulsification! |
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On 2/26/10 5:03 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? nb I've never experience them coming loose. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/26/2010 6:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 2/26/10 5:03 PM, notbob wrote: On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? nb I've never experience them coming loose. FWIW, the blade on an original Fein will come loose too. That's why they went to the toothed drive. |
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On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus:
On 2/26/10 5:03 PM, notbob wrote: On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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On 2/26/10 8:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. That's the one I have. There are no nubs anywhere. There are four holes in the blades that do not correspond with with anything on the tool. The tool has tiny rings that give it some texture. When I take a blade off, I notice how the rings get embossed onto the blades. It's possible there is a new version of the single speed tool that has nubs. Mine have nothing. I have noticed on the old one that it's easy to mount the blade NOT perfectly centered over a center ring on the tool, which would interfere with it being fully tightened. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/26/2010 10:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 2/26/10 8:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. That's the one I have. There are no nubs anywhere. There are four holes in the blades that do not correspond with with anything on the tool. The tool has tiny rings that give it some texture. When I take a blade off, I notice how the rings get embossed onto the blades. It's possible there is a new version of the single speed tool that has nubs. Mine have nothing. I have noticed on the old one that it's easy to mount the blade NOT perfectly centered over a center ring on the tool, which would interfere with it being fully tightened. And that problem also occurs with the original Fein. |
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On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote:
The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. nb |
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On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus:
On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. |
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On 2/26/2010 8:19 PM Lee Michaels spake thus:
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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On 2/26/10 9:51 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2010-02-27, David wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. nb I think there could be an advantage to slower speeds or sanding and scraping. Sanding too fast could burn or clog, etc., for example. But you're right about cutting... seems the faster it is, the more control you have. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:04:46 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: There ya go. You now have just the tool to cut through those big ironwood logs you like to play with all the time! Funny that you mention that... I tried it on ironwood and damned if it didn't cut it.. I've got about 40 pounds of ironwood on the lathe right now and I'm trimming as I go.. The portable bandsaw is ok, but slow and has a restricted width of cut, the recip saw just sits and dulls the blades and the saber saw is ok but very slow.. The HF tool, with the straight saw blade it comes with, cuts right through it.. Only bad part is that it burns it's way through, which stinks up the house.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:03:09 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? nb I really don't see it as a problem.. I find that if I torque it with the wrench provided and check it between cuts, it holds fine.. Especially for a $34 power tool.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On 2/26/2010 10:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. As they say, marketing is the practice of convincing fools they can pick up a turd by the clean end, and the biggest problem with modern marketing is that government entities are now practicing it, due mainly to the proliferation of fools. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 2/27/2010 2:16 AM, mac davis wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:03:09 GMT, wrote: On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? nb I really don't see it as a problem.. I find that if I torque it with the wrench provided and check it between cuts, it holds fine.. Especially for a $34 power tool.. Has anybody tried the Fein star-mount adapter on it? http://www.amazon.com/Fein-3-01-09-189-01-0-Mount-Adaptor-MultiMaster/dp/B000F6G896/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1267276045&sr=1-22 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/yzg4hyk |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:54:25 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus: On 2/26/10 5:03 PM, notbob wrote: On 2010-02-26, wrote: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. As the nubs go into holes in the attached blade, how are they going to "wear down", unless you mount the bald incorrectly? Do you expect a problem with keys in keyways wearing down? |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:20:43 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: On 2/26/10 8:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. That's the one I have. There are no nubs anywhere. There are four holes in the blades that do not correspond with with anything on the tool. The tool has tiny rings that give it some texture. When I take a blade off, I notice how the rings get embossed onto the blades. Sounds as if you got a defective unit. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:19:55 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. ....Except there is no mounting problem on the original single speed unit. Someone has posted that their unit lacks the 4 positioning nubs. That's a manufacturing defect, not a design defect. I just looked in the owners booklet. The arbor is called a "spindle" in their terms. If your spindle doesn't have nubs, you can call 1-800-444-3353 and discuss it with tech support. Maybe they will send you a new one. Also note that the instructions say not to use the long rectangular blades in any position except straight out in front. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:54:01 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 2/26/2010 8:19 PM Lee Michaels spake thus: "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David Nebenzahl wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. Except they didn't do what you two are accusing them of. |
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On 27 Feb 2010 13:16:01 GMT, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in news:0- : On 2/26/2010 10:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. As they say, marketing is the practice of convincing fools they can pick up a turd by the clean end, and the biggest problem with modern marketing is that government entities are now practicing it, due mainly to the proliferation of fools. Thanks to the school systems that proliferate superstitions, and deliver high school graduates that (should be who, but they're not really fully grown people) only read at 2nd grade level. Don't be so hard on poor Swingman. He means well! |
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On 2/27/2010 8:46 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in : On 27 Feb 2010 13:16:01 GMT, wrote: wrote in news:0- : On 2/26/2010 10:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. As they say, marketing is the practice of convincing fools they can pick up a turd by the clean end, and the biggest problem with modern marketing is that government entities are now practicing it, due mainly to the proliferation of fools. Thanks to the school systems that proliferate superstitions, and deliver high school graduates that (should be who, but they're not really fully grown people) only read at 2nd grade level. Don't be so hard on poor Swingman. He means well! I'm ot hard on Swingman at all. Au contraire! I'm just explaining (part of) his "... due mainly to the proliferation of fools." SIL and daughter teach in highschools in "disadvantaged" districts - math and physics, respectively. The school systems have failed the kids miserably. It's not even that the kids aren't willing to learn, they just never got in the habit, and have few incentives. Of course, the parents (if any) aren't blameless either ... Trouble is, the kids quote can earn more in 1 year on the street than the best teachers get in 5 years. I'm not talking life expectancy, though. And, speaking of fools, the particular one to whom you were replying is Bozo Binned, where such fools belong ... a word to the woodworking wise who actually practice same. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Swingman wrote in
: And, speaking of fools, the particular one to whom you were replying is Bozo Binned, where such fools belong ... a word to the woodworking wise who actually practice same. sorry for prolonging the thread ... :-) -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 2/27/10 7:42 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:20:43 -0600, wrote: On 2/26/10 8:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 2/26/2010 3:43 PM -MIKE- spake thus: I've had mine for about a year and it's saved me a ton of time, but: Unless you really torque it, the blades tend to vibrate loose. I thought this was THE major problem with the HF units and made them no bargain. Has someone figured out a solution or are they OK if used only in the occassional home DIY environment? I've never experience them coming loose. Apparently the old "multifunction tool" (the one I got for $35 recently) has this problem. After looking at the mounting system for the cutting tools, I can see why: there are 4 little nubs on the mounting plate that could easily get worn down. That's the one I have. There are no nubs anywhere. There are four holes in the blades that do not correspond with with anything on the tool. The tool has tiny rings that give it some texture. When I take a blade off, I notice how the rings get embossed onto the blades. Sounds as if you got a defective unit. Sound like you don't know what you're talking about. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/27/10 7:50 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:19:55 -0500, "Lee Michaels" wrote: "David wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. ...Except there is no mounting problem on the original single speed unit. Someone has posted that their unit lacks the 4 positioning nubs. That's a manufacturing defect, not a design defect. I just looked in the owners booklet. The arbor is called a "spindle" in their terms. If your spindle doesn't have nubs, you can call 1-800-444-3353 and discuss it with tech support. Maybe they will send you a new one. Also note that the instructions say not to use the long rectangular blades in any position except straight out in front. From the manual... "3. Note: Some units may have small holes inthe attachments and/or pins on the spindle shoulder. These are not used or required for this model." This tells me two things. 1) It's not defective if the "nubs" (pins) are not there. Defective means, "oops, we forgot to put them on." Not, "we decided later, to improve the model with nubs." b) It would be quite a bit of spin/deception on their part to change the manual on all the older single speed models to try to hide the fact that they are selling off the old stick that was defective. Did they change the design? Probably. Are they trying to deceive? Possibly. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
On 27 Feb 2010 14:46:19 GMT, Han wrote:
wrote in : On 27 Feb 2010 13:16:01 GMT, Han wrote: Swingman wrote in news:0- : On 2/26/2010 10:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. As they say, marketing is the practice of convincing fools they can pick up a turd by the clean end, and the biggest problem with modern marketing is that government entities are now practicing it, due mainly to the proliferation of fools. Thanks to the school systems that proliferate superstitions, and deliver high school graduates that (should be who, but they're not really fully grown people) only read at 2nd grade level. Don't be so hard on poor Swingman. He means well! I'm ot hard on Swingman at all. Au contraire! I'm just explaining (part of) his "... due mainly to the proliferation of fools." Well then perhaps you are being hard on Swingman... and yourself! |
Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:46:32 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 2/27/2010 8:46 AM, Han wrote: wrote in : On 27 Feb 2010 13:16:01 GMT, wrote: wrote in news:0- : On 2/26/2010 10:54 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote: Of course it is; marketing is an inescapable part of modern business. That makes them no worse than any other tool dealer or manufacturer, at least. As they say, marketing is the practice of convincing fools they can pick up a turd by the clean end, and the biggest problem with modern marketing is that government entities are now practicing it, due mainly to the proliferation of fools. Thanks to the school systems that proliferate superstitions, and deliver high school graduates that (should be who, but they're not really fully grown people) only read at 2nd grade level. Don't be so hard on poor Swingman. He means well! I'm ot hard on Swingman at all. Au contraire! I'm just explaining (part of) his "... due mainly to the proliferation of fools." SIL and daughter teach in highschools in "disadvantaged" districts - math and physics, respectively. The school systems have failed the kids miserably. It's not even that the kids aren't willing to learn, they just never got in the habit, and have few incentives. Of course, the parents (if any) aren't blameless either ... Trouble is, the kids quote can earn more in 1 year on the street than the best teachers get in 5 years. I'm not talking life expectancy, though. And, speaking of fools, the particular one to whom you were replying is Bozo Binned, where such fools belong ... a word to the woodworking wise who actually practice same. Poor moronic baby. If you can't hang, maybe you should go elsewhere. |
Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
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Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:37:36 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: On 2/27/10 7:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:19:55 -0500, "Lee Michaels" wrote: "David wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. ...Except there is no mounting problem on the original single speed unit. Someone has posted that their unit lacks the 4 positioning nubs. That's a manufacturing defect, not a design defect. I just looked in the owners booklet. The arbor is called a "spindle" in their terms. If your spindle doesn't have nubs, you can call 1-800-444-3353 and discuss it with tech support. Maybe they will send you a new one. Also note that the instructions say not to use the long rectangular blades in any position except straight out in front. From the manual... "3. Note: Some units may have small holes inthe attachments and/or pins on the spindle shoulder. These are not used or required for this model." This tells me two things. 1) It's not defective if the "nubs" (pins) are not there. Defective means, "oops, we forgot to put them on." Not, "we decided later, to improve the model with nubs." b) It would be quite a bit of spin/deception on their part to change the manual on all the older single speed models to try to hide the fact that they are selling off the old stick that was defective. Did they change the design? Probably. Are they trying to deceive? Possibly. If you don't have the nubs, your unit is defective. Call the number I provided and see if they will send you a correct spindle. I have a single speed model and it has the nubs. If you look very carefully with a high powred electron microscope, you may notice that *ALL* blades for the tool have holes for mating to those nubs. |
Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
On 2/27/10 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:37:36 -0600, wrote: On 2/27/10 7:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:19:55 -0500, "Lee Michaels" wrote: "David wrote in message .com... On 2/26/2010 7:51 PM notbob spake thus: On 2010-02-27, David wrote: The "new" (variable-speed) tool has an improved mounting system, perhaps similar to Fein's new one. Are you still referring to the Harbor Freight unit (var)? What would be the advantage to one of these tools being variable? If slowed down too much, seems it would lose its effectiveness and bog down. OTOH, I have no experience with one. Though I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the tool, I agree that being able to vary the speed isn't a plus in my book either. I was just pointing out that the variable-speed version has a different, presumably better tool-mounting system. -- I guess when Harbor Freight copies a tool, they really copy a tool. Even if the original tool had flaws. This would appear to be two distinct coies of theoriginal. I would have been more impressed with an imporved version. Maybe they figure a cheapie model with the bad blade mounting. And a more expensive model with the mounting problem solved. They get their foot in the door with a cheap knockoff. Then they "upgrade" you to a better model. Marketing is alive and well at Harbor Freight. ...Except there is no mounting problem on the original single speed unit. Someone has posted that their unit lacks the 4 positioning nubs. That's a manufacturing defect, not a design defect. I just looked in the owners booklet. The arbor is called a "spindle" in their terms. If your spindle doesn't have nubs, you can call 1-800-444-3353 and discuss it with tech support. Maybe they will send you a new one. Also note that the instructions say not to use the long rectangular blades in any position except straight out in front. From the manual... "3. Note: Some units may have small holes inthe attachments and/or pins on the spindle shoulder. These are not used or required for this model." This tells me two things. 1) It's not defective if the "nubs" (pins) are not there. Defective means, "oops, we forgot to put them on." Not, "we decided later, to improve the model with nubs." b) It would be quite a bit of spin/deception on their part to change the manual on all the older single speed models to try to hide the fact that they are selling off the old stick that was defective. Did they change the design? Probably. Are they trying to deceive? Possibly. If you don't have the nubs, your unit is defective. Call the number I provided and see if they will send you a correct spindle. I have a single speed model and it has the nubs. If you look very carefully with a high powred electron microscope, you may notice that *ALL* blades for the tool have holes for mating to those nubs. Like I wrote, that isn't "defective." That's a design change. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
Harbor Freight Multi-tool WOW!
On 2/27/10 4:32 PM, wrote:
Like I wrote, that isn't "defective." That's a design change. ALL of the blades since day one have had the holes. They would not have had the holes from day one unless there was some reason. All you're doing is showing your lack of knowledge in Chinese manufacturing. There is probably one factory over there cranking out blades for every multi-tool "maker" on the planet. They are not going to tool-up to make custom blades for every design. They crank ten million at a time to fir a dozen different models. Some have pins, some don't. You apparently bought a unit from a run that had defective spindles. That's a manufacturing defect. Same concept as above. Once again... Rather than whine here, you can call them and try to get a correct spindle. Unless of course, you would rather whine here than solve the problem. Don't project your issues on me. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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