On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:11:05 -0500, Upscale
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:46:23 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
As is the case with all of the emotional non-thinking anti-gun folks out
there. If they stopped the bleed from their heart for just a moment, and
thought just a little bit about the nice fuzzy stuff they were spouting,
they'd realize the folly of it all. The bad guys scare them, so because
they don't know how to deal with that, they seek to legislate the good guys.
Just plain dumb.

Ask yourself where the guns come from that the criminals have? The
obvious answer is that they come from people like you who insist on
their right to ownership.

It's been admitted time and time again that the criminals don't
usually buy legal guns. So where do they get them then?
The only answer is that guns are either stolen from legal gun owners
or they're brought into the country. What if legal ownership was
terminated and border control was increased? Where would the criminal
element get their guns from when their source dries up?

People keep insisting with their cockeyed logic, that if legal
ownership of guns was outlawed, then only the criminals would have
guns. The sad fact is that without legal owners of guns to initiate
the process of guns being brought into the community, the criminal
element wouldn't be able to get guns. That's just common sense.

I fully realize that it's highly unlikely that gun ownership will ever
be outlawed in the US. The fact is that many of you are too high and
mighty on personal rights and too lacking on common sense. Universal
gun ownership is just part of that lack of common sense. And, that's
your cross to bear.


to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

skeez [who aint gonna let you have his guns]

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.

With the logic attached to your reply, why have laws for anything? And
to that I say because it's the right thing to do.

So what's next. All the guns are gone, and now the stabbing begins a
curve upwards.

On 2/2/2010 11:45 AM, Robatoy wrote:
So what's next. All the guns are gone, and now the stabbing begins a
curve upwards.

Are we to the point of banning pointy sticks yet?

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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:32:25 -0600, Morris Dovey
wrote:

Are we to the point of banning pointy sticks yet?

Depends. Are you prepared to have your pointy sticks licensed?

On Feb 2, 1:32*pm, Morris Dovey wrote:
On 2/2/2010 11:45 AM, Robatoy wrote:

So what's next. All the guns are gone, and now the stabbing begins a
curve upwards.

Are we to the point of banning pointy sticks yet?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Opposing thumbs will be outlawed as they cause strangulation!

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
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On 2/2/2010 11:45 AM, Robatoy wrote:
So what's next. All the guns are gone, and now the stabbing begins a
curve upwards.

Are we to the point of banning pointy sticks yet?

Don't give them any ideas.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
So what's next. All the guns are gone, and now the stabbing begins a
curve upwards.


Mario Cuomo, then governor of New York, made a speech after a highly
publicized stabbing saying that the recent stabbing showed the need for more
gun control.
Liberal thinking at its finest.

In article , Upscale wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.

Banning possession of firearms won't stop criminals from getting them, any
more than banning possesion of drugs stops addicts from getting *them*.

That's attacking the problem in the wrong place, anyway: the existence of
guns, in and of itself, isn't a problem. Neither is their possession. The
problem is *misuse* of them. Put people who misuse them in jail and keep them
there, and the problem largely disappears.

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:26:31 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:
That's attacking the problem in the wrong place, anyway: the existence of
guns, in and of itself, isn't a problem. Neither is their possession. The
problem is *misuse* of them. Put people who misuse them in jail and keep them
there, and the problem largely disappears.

The US already has an exceptionally large (and extremely expensive to
run) prison population. Putting people away for extended periods would
cost your country more than it could afford.

But it would solve the gun problem. Taxes would go up so much nobody
would have money for firearms. Good solution Doug!

In article , Upscale wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:26:31 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:
That's attacking the problem in the wrong place, anyway: the existence of
guns, in and of itself, isn't a problem. Neither is their possession. The
problem is *misuse* of them. Put people who misuse them in jail and keep them
there, and the problem largely disappears.

The US already has an exceptionally large (and extremely expensive to
run) prison population. Putting people away for extended periods would
cost your country more than it could afford.

A very large part of the reason we have such an exceptionally large prison
population is the absolutely insane policy of jailing drug users who are
demonstrably harming nobody other than themselves.

Prisons [should] exist for one reason only: to protect society by removing
from our midst those who cause harm to others. If Joe Blow wants to get stoned
in the privacy of his living room, it's no business of mine or the rest of
society's. He's harming no one save possibly himself, and there is no
justification whatever for making this a crime.

(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

A very large part of the reason we have such an exceptionally large
prison population is the absolutely insane policy of jailing drug
users who are demonstrably harming nobody other than themselves.

Prisons [should] exist for one reason only: to protect society by
removing from our midst those who cause harm to others. If Joe Blow
wants to get stoned in the privacy of his living room, it's no
business of mine or the rest of society's. He's harming no one save
possibly himself, and there is no justification whatever for making
this a crime.

I agree. We should help him kick the habit.

--
Best regards
Han
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On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:22:16 -0500, Upscale
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.

With the logic attached to your reply, why have laws for anything? And
to that I say because it's the right thing to do.

why does it have to stop? I live in a CC state and crime is low
compared to some of the nanny states that do not allow CC. guns dont
kill people.... people do. I for one don't want to watch as a rapist
does his deed on my wife or daughter powerless to do anything to stop
it. I may not be able to stop him, but I at least will have the tools
to try! will you? force will be met with force in my home and anyone
trying to take my fighting chance away is my enemy. I hope I never
have to use my guns to kill or mame another human being but if it is
him or me I would rather be the one left standing. anti-gun people
just don't get it untill it happens to them.

skeez

skeez wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:22:16 -0500, Upscale
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.

With the logic attached to your reply, why have laws for anything? And
to that I say because it's the right thing to do.

why does it have to stop? I live in a CC state and crime is low
compared to some of the nanny states that do not allow CC. guns dont
kill people.... people do. I for one don't want to watch as a rapist
does his deed on my wife or daughter powerless to do anything to stop
it. I may not be able to stop him, but I at least will have the tools
to try! will you? force will be met with force in my home and anyone
trying to take my fighting chance away is my enemy. I hope I never
have to use my guns to kill or mame another human being but if it is
him or me I would rather be the one left standing. anti-gun people
just don't get it untill it happens to them.

Just to move this from academic to application:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6684 There are other references to
this event, this was the first one that came up



skeez

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There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:35:40 -0500, the infamous skeez
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:22:16 -0500, Upscale
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.

With the logic attached to your reply, why have laws for anything? And
to that I say because it's the right thing to do.

why does it have to stop? I live in a CC state and crime is low
compared to some of the nanny states that do not allow CC. guns dont
kill people.... people do. I for one don't want to watch as a rapist
does his deed on my wife or daughter powerless to do anything to stop
it. I may not be able to stop him, but I at least will have the tools
to try! will you? force will be met with force in my home and anyone
trying to take my fighting chance away is my enemy. I hope I never
have to use my guns to kill or mame another human being but if it is
him or me I would rather be the one left standing. anti-gun people
just don't get it untill it happens to them.

http://fwd4.me/ELU bseg

http://fwd4.me/ELW 2 million reasons NOT to ban firearms.

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Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Upscale wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:18 -0500, skeez
wrote:
to that logic I reply..... we couldnt stop 20 million illegal aliens
how the hell we gonna stop illegal guns from getting in?

And to your answer I reply...... It's got to start somewhere. Just
because the task is extremely daunting or extremly difficult doesn't
for one second suggest that it shouldn't be attempted.


No, but the fact that your "solution" now exposes millions of law abiding
citizens as unarmed victims to those who didn't give up their arms more than
suggests that this is not a good idea that any thinking person would
entertain attempting.

With the logic attached to your reply, why have laws for anything? And
to that I say because it's the right thing to do.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham