----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Juanita"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Plane shavings


John Grossbohlin wrote:


"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...
Do you guys do anything special with your old hand plane shavings (other
than throwing them away)? I collect 'em up in a bucket or box, then use
them as kindling in my barbecue, or sometimes for packing material,
especially if it's a gift I've made in the woodworking shop.

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's off
the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my dust
collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off the
impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't expect
anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to me to look
there until last. ;~)

John

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:


Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe
somewhere and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the
inlet off the impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's
nest. I didn't expect anything to get past the collection barrel so it
didn't occur to me to look there until last. ;~)

John


What kind of snakes do you use to unclog your pipes? Did it take them long
to respond to the flute?

"Not only is the rattler in the corner for small rodent control, he also
keeps my dust collection clear!"

Puckdropper
--
It could be a cartoon, couldn't it?

"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message
...
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in
m:


Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe
somewhere and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the
inlet off the impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's
nest. I didn't expect anything to get past the collection barrel so it
didn't occur to me to look there until last. ;~)

John


What kind of snakes do you use to unclog your pipes? Did it take them
long
to respond to the flute?

50' manual drain snake... generally obey's hand commands but sometimes takes
it's own path. No flute needed. ;~)

John

John Grossbohlin wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Juanita"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Plane shavings


John Grossbohlin wrote:


"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...
Do you guys do anything special with your old hand plane shavings
(other
than throwing them away)? I collect 'em up in a bucket or box, then
use them as kindling in my barbecue, or sometimes for packing material,
especially if it's a gift I've made in the woodworking shop.

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's off
the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my dust
collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they
are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off the
impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't expect
anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to me to
look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I go to the
impeller inlet first.


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Juanita"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Plane shavings


John Grossbohlin wrote:


"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...
Do you guys do anything special with your old hand plane shavings
(other
than throwing them away)? I collect 'em up in a bucket or box, then
use them as kindling in my barbecue, or sometimes for packing
material,
especially if it's a gift I've made in the woodworking shop.

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's off
the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my dust
collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they
are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe
somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off the
impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't expect
anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to me to
look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I go to
the
impeller inlet first.



Me too. My DC also had a grate across the inlet protecting the impeller,
which was where my blockages occurred. - even with planer chips on occasion.
I cut that out and its been trouble free ever since. I probably should make
a collector drop bin and situate it in the line before the impeller to take
out the heavier stuff. (Should won't necessarily eventuate in will) It
would prolong the life of the impeller significantly.

diggerop

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:12:21 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

John Grossbohlin wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Juanita"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Plane shavings


John Grossbohlin wrote:


"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...
Do you guys do anything special with your old hand plane shavings
(other
than throwing them away)? I collect 'em up in a bucket or box, then
use them as kindling in my barbecue, or sometimes for packing material,
especially if it's a gift I've made in the woodworking shop.

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's off
the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my dust
collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they
are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off the
impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't expect
anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to me to
look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I go to the
impeller inlet first.

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

diggerop wrote:

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
.... snip

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's
off the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my
dust collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they
are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe
somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off
the impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't
expect anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to
me to look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I go to
the
impeller inlet first.



Me too. My DC also had a grate across the inlet protecting the impeller,
which was where my blockages occurred. - even with planer chips on
occasion. I cut that out and its been trouble free ever since. I probably
should make a collector drop bin and situate it in the line before the
impeller to take
out the heavier stuff.

I've got a cyclone, the plane shavings are light enough that they don't
fall out into the cyclone, but get carried directly to the dust collector.
Get the right length and orientation and they plug up the grate like you
said.

(Should won't necessarily eventuate in will) It
would prolong the life of the impeller significantly.

diggerop

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Larry Jaques wrote:

.... snip

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?


First sign of trouble, I go directly to the impeller inlet. Not sure what
the fiberglass screening would do for me, I'm not seeing it.

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

Oh my, now that's a visual I'm not sure I needed. Sagging tattoos and
wrinkly rappers. Blecch!

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
diggerop wrote:

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
... snip

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then it's
off the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the impeller on my
dust collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so thin they
are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector wasn't
sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the spiral pipe
somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet off
the impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest. I didn't
expect anything to get past the collection barrel so it didn't occur to
me to look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I go to
the
impeller inlet first.



Me too. My DC also had a grate across the inlet protecting the impeller,
which was where my blockages occurred. - even with planer chips on
occasion. I cut that out and its been trouble free ever since. I probably
should make a collector drop bin and situate it in the line before the
impeller to take
out the heavier stuff.

I've got a cyclone, the plane shavings are light enough that they don't
fall out into the cyclone, but get carried directly to the dust collector.
Get the right length and orientation and they plug up the grate like you
said.

Yup, the plane shavings just float in the airstream... The longer and
thicker the shavings the less of a problem this seems to be. However, to
borrow a phrase from Steve Knight, "light fluffy shavings" sail right
through and get snarled on the impeller. Maybe I need to do a proper
sharpening on the impeller blades so they get chopped up.... that ragged
grinder edge just seems to snag the shavings instead of slice them up. Now
there's a new thread for sure... sharpening impeller blades! Look for it!
LOL

Chips of low density woods like air dried white pine, from very light cuts
on the jointer or thickness planer, tend to float through my cyclone barrel
too and end up in the filter bag.

John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
diggerop wrote:

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
... snip

I leave 'em on the floor for a while to polish the floor. Then
it's off the compost pile. The long shavings clog up the
impeller on my dust collector

You too? I've run into the same thing, the shavings are so
thin they are
sucked through the cyclone and catch on the impeller inlet grid.

Yup.... It took me a while to figure out why my dust collector
wasn't sucking well any more... thought I had a clog in the
spiral pipe somewhere
and ran snakes through with no affect. I finally pulled the inlet
off the impeller housing and it was snarled up like a rat's nest.
I didn't expect anything to get past the collection barrel so it
didn't occur to me to look there until last. ;~)

John

We must have the same shop and follow the same troubleshooting
methods. :-( Now, whenever the system starts behaving poorly, I
go to the
impeller inlet first.



Me too. My DC also had a grate across the inlet protecting the
impeller, which was where my blockages occurred. - even with planer
chips on occasion. I cut that out and its been trouble free ever
since. I probably should make a collector drop bin and situate it
in the line before the impeller to take
out the heavier stuff.

I've got a cyclone, the plane shavings are light enough that they
don't fall out into the cyclone, but get carried directly to the
dust collector. Get the right length and orientation and they plug
up the grate like you said.

Yup, the plane shavings just float in the airstream... The longer and
thicker the shavings the less of a problem this seems to be. However,
to borrow a phrase from Steve Knight, "light fluffy shavings" sail
right through and get snarled on the impeller. Maybe I need to do a
proper sharpening on the impeller blades so they get chopped up....
that ragged grinder edge just seems to snag the shavings instead of
slice them up. Now there's a new thread for sure... sharpening
impeller blades! Look for it! LOL

Chips of low density woods like air dried white pine, from very light
cuts on the jointer or thickness planer, tend to float through my
cyclone barrel too and end up in the filter bag.

Do you have a real cyclone or just one of those barrel thingies? I've never
had shaving of any kind or even much dust go into the filters on my cyclone.

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

... snip

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?


First sign of trouble, I go directly to the impeller inlet. Not sure what
the fiberglass screening would do for me, I'm not seeing it.

Screen the outlet from the cyclone. It'll keep the 1-molecule-thick
shavings in the can, not in your impeller.


You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

Oh my, now that's a visual I'm not sure I needed. Sagging tattoos and
wrinkly rappers. Blecch!

Like she said, SCARY!

--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine

J. Clarke wrote:

John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
diggerop wrote:

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
... snip
.... snip

Me too. My DC also had a grate across the inlet protecting the
impeller, which was where my blockages occurred. - even with planer
chips on occasion. I cut that out and its been trouble free ever
since. I probably should make a collector drop bin and situate it
in the line before the impeller to take
out the heavier stuff.

I've got a cyclone, the plane shavings are light enough that they
don't fall out into the cyclone, but get carried directly to the
dust collector. Get the right length and orientation and they plug
up the grate like you said.

Yup, the plane shavings just float in the airstream... The longer and
thicker the shavings the less of a problem this seems to be. However,
to borrow a phrase from Steve Knight, "light fluffy shavings" sail
right through and get snarled on the impeller. Maybe I need to do a
proper sharpening on the impeller blades so they get chopped up....
that ragged grinder edge just seems to snag the shavings instead of
slice them up. Now there's a new thread for sure... sharpening
impeller blades! Look for it! LOL

Mine don't get to the impeller, they get stuck on the grate into the
impeller making the DC lose suction.


Chips of low density woods like air dried white pine, from very light
cuts on the jointer or thickness planer, tend to float through my
cyclone barrel too and end up in the filter bag.

Do you have a real cyclone or just one of those barrel thingies? I've
never had shaving of any kind or even much dust go into the filters on my
cyclone.

Oops, sorry about that, I had forgotten about *real* cyclones. No, I have
one of the trash-can plastic cover things. It gets most planer, jointer
and table saw waste. Only the really lightweight stuff gets into the dust
bags.


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

... snip

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?


First sign of trouble, I go directly to the impeller inlet. Not sure
what
the fiberglass screening would do for me, I'm not seeing it.

Screen the outlet from the cyclone. It'll keep the 1-molecule-thick
shavings in the can, not in your impeller.


Ah, got it. I've got a grate going into the impeller, pretty course
spacing, but I've never had the impeller plug, all the bad stuff catches on
the grate. That's when I see the suction drop to unusable. First time it
happened, I thought the DC was going bad.



--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:01 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

... snip

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?


First sign of trouble, I go directly to the impeller inlet. Not sure
what
the fiberglass screening would do for me, I'm not seeing it.

Screen the outlet from the cyclone. It'll keep the 1-molecule-thick
shavings in the can, not in your impeller.


Ah, got it. I've got a grate going into the impeller, pretty course

Uh, y'mean "coarse"? /English Teacher


spacing, but I've never had the impeller plug, all the bad stuff catches on
the grate. That's when I see the suction drop to unusable. First time it
happened, I thought the DC was going bad.

Scary feeling, isn't it? Now you just roll the trashcan up to the DC
can and remove the big stuff, huh?


--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:01 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
scrawled the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

... snip

I'd stick some fiberglass screening over the impeller intake/collector
outlet so it didn't happen again. At the first sign of problem, I'd
empty the snaky shavings out of the collector and continue on.

What'll you do?


First sign of trouble, I go directly to the impeller inlet. Not sure
what
the fiberglass screening would do for me, I'm not seeing it.

Screen the outlet from the cyclone. It'll keep the 1-molecule-thick
shavings in the can, not in your impeller.


Ah, got it. I've got a grate going into the impeller, pretty course

Uh, y'mean "coarse"? /English Teacher


Yeah, dat's what I meant. [Pretty surprised I didn't catch that before
hitting send]


spacing, but I've never had the impeller plug, all the bad stuff catches
on
the grate. That's when I see the suction drop to unusable. First time it
happened, I thought the DC was going bad.

Scary feeling, isn't it? Now you just roll the trashcan up to the DC
can and remove the big stuff, huh?


Doesn't even take the trash can -- I'll bet the blockages don't even
weight 5 oz. Just a few long, light plane shavings covering the [coarse]
impeller grate blocking 90% of the air going through.


--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham