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Hardwood Veneer MDF "Plywood"
Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? I am building a
fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. RonB |
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RonB wrote:
Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? I am building a fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. You could have wonderfully veneered plywood and crummy veneered MDF. Or you could have the opposite. IOW, the substrate doesn't affect the quality of the veneer *on* the substrate. All veneered articles are graded according to the quality of the veneer on both sides; i.e., face side is graded and so is the back side. Face side is lettered...A being best, B so-so, etc. (AA is best but you aren't likely to encounter it). Back sides are numbered...1, 2, etc. The stuff at Home Improvement stores is often D-4. Yuch. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT), RonB
wrote: Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? I am building a fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. RonB Try to find out who the board manufacturer is and get the specs on the veneer thickness. It is too often the case that the thickness is less than on a ply based lay up. Taken to an extreme this can result in different finishing properties for the MDF board v. ply and both will finish differently than solid stock. When I'm going to add color to the finish of a piece made from a mix of veneered goods and solid stock - and especially if the veneer is on MDF, I run a spit coat first and then put the color in the finish. In my experience this results in a more even appearance. Remember YMMV Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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On Jul 15, 12:50*pm, RonB wrote:
Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? *I am building a fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. *The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. *Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. *I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. *I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. *It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. RonB As recently stated elsewhere, lay up the veneer yourself. The paper- backed stuff comes in pretty high qualities and soak-through, etc are of no concern. I have no idea what your industrial base is like around where you are, but it shouldn't be that hard to get. |
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On Jul 15, 2:35*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:50*pm, RonB wrote: Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? *I am building a fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. *The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. *Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. *I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. *I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. *It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. RonB As recently stated elsewhere, lay up the veneer yourself. The paper- backed stuff comes in pretty high qualities and soak-through, etc are of no concern. I have no idea what your industrial base is like around where you are, but it shouldn't be that hard to get. Oh, and btw, I don't suggest laying it up yourself as a cost-cutting measure, it will likely cost more for the 'good' stuff than the ready- made stuff. |
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"RonB" wrote in message ... Does anyone have experience with hardwood veneer MDF? I am building a fireplace surround using pocket hole techniques similar to Gary Katz's article. http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...ntel_2005.html He used Mahogany Veneer MDF for the panels but didn't go into detail regarding whether he bought MDF veneer panels or did the veneering himself. The article doesn't discuss finish in any detail. Given the variability of veneer coverings and stain characteristics with stock plywood, I have to wonder if this stuff would stain more consistently. I certainly wouldn't have to worry about movement. I called a local lumberyard this morning to price 1/2" oak veneer plywood and, after he apologized for the price, he offered oak veneer MDF as an alternate. It was a few bucks cheaper. At this point I'm not concerned about the few bucks, but I am concertned about overall quality, finish-ability, etc. RonB My experience that veneer on MDF affords a better surface. Thre are not sof spots that get sanded differently during finish sanding and no hollow voids under the veneer. I prefer Plywood/MDF veneer over all wood plywood under veneer. |
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Hardwood Veneer MDF "Plywood"
Well, this solved itself. The local lumberyard told me they would
order a sheet of each and I could decide. The veneer on the MDF was so thin it was invisible at the edge. Couldn't have been painted on thinner. I think I would have gone through the veneer just handling it. The veneer on the plywood wasn't exactly thick but it is sitting in the shop. Thanks for all of the comments. Time to start workin' on the fireplace in the morning. RonB |
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