I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top to
bottom. You can see a dwg he
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm not
hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The strapping
is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it does hold the
piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable
and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone know
of anything that can do this job?

Thx.

Tanus

"Tanus" wrote in message ...
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top to
bottom. You can see a dwg he
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm not
hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight enough,
even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The strapping is too
thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it does hold the piece
together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable and
relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone know of
anything that can do this job?

Thx.

Tanus

does it have to be banded? what about splines and glue? a band won't lay
flat anyway.

try a packing store, like a ups shipping place. they might have heavy duty
banding machines for tying up packages, or some place that ships out pallets
of stuff.

On Jun 25, 3:04*pm, Tanus wrote:
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top to
* bottom. You can see a dwg hehttp://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm not
hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The strapping
is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it does hold the
piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable
and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone know
of anything that can do this job?

I can't help you with equipment, but I can propose an alternative.
http://www.restockit.com/Make-a-Clam...238-4002).html
The perforated stainless would add a decorative touch and look better
for a lot longer than the galvanized banding.

R

On Jun 25, 3:04*pm, Tanus wrote:
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top to
* bottom. You can see a dwg hehttp://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm not
hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The strapping
is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it does hold the
piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable
and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone know
of anything that can do this job?

Thx.

Tanus

Have you thought about many sisal rope (say about 1/8") windings?
After going round and round to fill the dado'd grooves, soak them in
WEST epoxy? (Thin enough to soak in nice)
You should be able to get them good'n-tight, I think.
Just a thought. Kinda decorative. Maybe stain the sisal first?

"Tanus" wrote:

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared
top to bottom. You can see a dwg he
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm
not hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The
strapping is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it
does hold the piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an
industrial grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something
that is portable and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my
needs. Does anyone know of anything that can do this job?


Unless you have access to a banding machine (Hand Tool) and a roll of
strapping material (Usually black plastic reinforced with fiber) and
clips, I'd just buy commercial pots and find another project.

Without the above equipment, your project is like ****ing up a rope.

Lew

Uline or other packaging supplier

http://www.uline.com/Cls_09/Strapping?pricode=wg236

On Jun 25, 12:04*pm, Tanus wrote:
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top to
* bottom. You can see a dwg hehttp://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm not
hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The strapping
is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it does hold the
piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable
and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone know
of anything that can do this job?

Thx.

Tanus

Tanus wrote:
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

I"m copying a design for a flower pot that is 10-sided and flared top
to bottom. You can see a dwg he
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...cagonCone2.jpg

The lines around the outside indicate a dado for steel banding. I'm
not hung on steel - polypro would be fine too.

I've built a couple of prototypes and am having a problem with the
banding. I've used galvanized strapping, but I can't get it tight
enough, even with screwing the strapping in each segment. The
strapping is too thick, and just doesn't work properly, although it
does hold the piece together.

I'm only going to build a few of these, so I don't want an industrial
grade piece of machinery to do the banding. Something that is portable
and relatively inexpensive will likely serve my needs. Does anyone
know of anything that can do this job?


You might try like they do whiskey barrels: Make the band first - perhaps
steel strapping of the correct length and the ends welded together. Then you
pound the loop into position. In your case, maybe add a tack or two to hold
it in place.

Alternative:
Assuming you have a groove for the band, just add the staves to the band,
then whack the last stave into position. It would help if the wood were
really dry, that way any added moisture will expand the wood to help lock it
in place.

charlie wrote:
"Tanus" wrote in message ...
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.


does it have to be banded? what about splines and glue? a band won't lay
flat anyway.

try a packing store, like a ups shipping place. they might have heavy duty
banding machines for tying up packages, or some place that ships out pallets
of stuff.


Thanks to all that responded.

charlie asked if it had to be banded and if splines would do. I'm
building a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as possible.
I also question whether or not splines with glue on the edges would hold
up to the constant humidity.

I looked long 'n hard at the clamp kit, RicodJour, but the price scared
me off. Too bad, cause I like the way that would look. Similar with
Sonoma's suggestion of a packaging suppler. Uline had what I wanted, but
SWMBO nixed it before I could say " But HONEY, I NEED that tool!"
(sigh)

I like Rob's idea of the twine/sisal rope. I guess coating with WEST
would prevent the rope from rotting? I can do that, but I think it's
gonna cost an arm and a leg. I can find one supplier for expoxy in town
and that's Lee Valley. I love epoxy but it's expensive there. I have
some sitting around and I'll try it to see how it works, tho. I'll
combine that idea with HeyBub's suggestion of banding first with the
rope and then putting the last piece in to tighten it up completely.

Thanks again.

Tanus

On Jun 26, 9:06*pm, Tanus wrote:
charlie wrote:
"Tanus" wrote in ....
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

does it have to be banded? what about splines and glue? a band won't lay
flat anyway.

try a packing store, like a ups shipping place. they might have heavy duty
banding machines for tying up packages, or some place that ships out pallets
of stuff.

Thanks to all that responded.

charlie asked if it had to be banded and if splines would do. I'm
building a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as possible.
I also question whether or not splines with glue on the edges would hold
up to the constant humidity.

I looked long 'n hard at the clamp kit, RicodJour, but the price scared
me off. Too bad, cause I like the way that would look. Similar with
Sonoma's suggestion of a packaging suppler. Uline had what I wanted, but
SWMBO nixed it before I could say " But HONEY, I NEED that tool!"
(sigh)

I like Rob's idea of the twine/sisal rope. I guess coating with WEST
would prevent the rope from rotting? I can do that, but I think it's
gonna cost an arm and a leg. I can find one supplier for expoxy in town
and that's Lee Valley. I love epoxy but it's expensive there. I have
some sitting around and I'll try it to see how it works, tho. I'll
combine that idea with HeyBub's suggestion of banding first with the
rope and then putting the last piece in to tighten it up completely.

Thanks again.

Tanus

Perhaps WEST is overkill. Some kind of waterproofing/preservation
would be desirable.
Sign guys use all kinds of cheap ways to weather-proof their work. One
suggestion is a product by Rustoleum which is used the UV-proof and
protect some sort of 'Stone-Effect' product of theirs. It is called
Step3. It dries clear, water-based but after it sets up, it is
supposed to be some tough stuff. Thin like water, should soak into the
twine just nicely. I think it is available in small quantities.

"Tanus" wrote:

I'm building a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as
possible.
snip
Similar with Sonoma's suggestion of a packaging suppler. Uline had
what I wanted, but SWMBO nixed it before I could say " But HONEY, I
NEED that tool!"
(sigh)

Since you have some quantity, consider subcontracting the banding out
to an outfit that has a shipping dept and banding equipment.

Who knows what kind of a deal you can cut.

Maybe they would take some pots or need some unusual wood working
done.

Lew

"Robatoy" wrote:

Perhaps WEST is overkill. Some kind of waterproofing/preservation
would be desirable.

Sisal is already at the bottom of the bucket, it is going to need all
the help it can get, but epoxy, in addition to being an expensive
solution, has no UV resistance.

Lew

On Jun 26, 10:51*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote:
Perhaps WEST is overkill. *Some kind of waterproofing/preservation

would be desirable.

Sisal is already at the bottom of the bucket, it is going to need all
the help it can get, but epoxy, in addition to being an expensive
solution, has no UV resistance.

Lew

There you go, I didn't know that about WEST and UV.
Yup, sisal is crap, but what else is cheap? please NO polyprop...*S*

"Robatoy" wrote:

There you go, I didn't know that about WEST and UV.
Yup, sisal is crap, but what else is cheap? please NO polyprop...*S*

My first shot would be the plastic banding used for shipping.

Strong, doesn't rust, you don't need skilled labor.

The initial investment is about the only negative, but if amortized
over a production run, that goes away.

Lew

On Jun 26, 9:06*pm, Tanus wrote:
charlie wrote:
"Tanus" wrote in ....
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

does it have to be banded? what about splines and glue? a band won't lay
flat anyway.

try a packing store, like a ups shipping place. they might have heavy duty
banding machines for tying up packages, or some place that ships out pallets
of stuff.

Thanks to all that responded.

charlie asked if it had to be banded and if splines would do. I'm
building a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as possible.
I also question whether or not splines with glue on the edges would hold
up to the constant humidity.

I looked long 'n hard at the clamp kit, RicodJour, but the price scared
me off. Too bad, cause I like the way that would look.

In your original post you said you were only going to build a few, and
just above you said you were going to build a bunch. A few is three
or four and that kit has 50' of banding and ten clamps - should be
enough for a few or five. The price breaks down to a bit over 10
bucks per planter if you make five, and added benefits are the planter
is now knock-down (shipping them as gifts?) and also easily
repairable. That was also the first link that I found that had what I
wanted to show you - I'm sure you could find a kit for cheaper.

The plastic banding, epoxy and twine and all that would work, but it
would look a bit too Jed Clampett for my tastes.

R

On Jun 26, 11:23*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:06*pm, Tanus wrote:





charlie wrote:
"Tanus" wrote in ...
I DAGS and found nothing that would work for me.

does it have to be banded? what about splines and glue? a band won't lay
flat anyway.

try a packing store, like a ups shipping place. they might have heavy duty
banding machines for tying up packages, or some place that ships out pallets
of stuff.

Thanks to all that responded.

charlie asked if it had to be banded and if splines would do. I'm
building a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as possible.
I also question whether or not splines with glue on the edges would hold
up to the constant humidity.

I looked long 'n hard at the clamp kit, RicodJour, but the price scared
me off. Too bad, cause I like the way that would look.

In your original post you said you were only going to build a few, and
just above you said you were going to build a bunch. *A few is three
or four and that kit has 50' of banding and ten clamps - should be
enough for a few or five. *The price breaks down to a bit over 10
bucks per planter if you make five, and added benefits are the planter
is now knock-down (shipping them as gifts?) and also easily
repairable. *That was also the first link that I found that had what I
wanted to show you - I'm sure you could find a kit for cheaper.

The plastic banding, epoxy and twine and all that would work, but it
would look a bit too Jed Clampett for my tastes.

R

My feeling for it was more of an artsy 'green' kinda thing. With all
that stainless, plastic banding, etc, it is starting to look like a
prosthetic device.
..
..
..
I keed!

"Tanus" wrote

Thanks to all that responded.

charlie asked if it had to be banded and if splines would do. I'm building
a bunch of these and I'd rather make it as simple as possible. I also
question whether or not splines with glue on the edges would hold up to
the constant humidity.

I like Rob's idea of the twine/sisal rope. I guess coating with WEST would
prevent the rope from rotting? I can do that, but I think it's gonna cost
an arm and a leg. I can find one supplier for expoxy in town and that's
Lee Valley. I love epoxy but it's expensive there. I have some sitting
around and I'll try it to see how it works, tho. I'll combine that idea
with HeyBub's suggestion of banding first with the rope and then putting
the last piece in to tighten it up completely.


When I was a kid, my nephews start running when I say this, I used to make
simple cedar flowerpots for all the wimmim folks in the valley. I make a
couple models. One just stacked cedar, carved "timbers" on each other and
were nailed together. The other used wider cedar boards and were held
together with twisted wire.

I put together the sides of the flowerpot with grooves in them and just
wired them together with wire. Nothing fancy. The ladies on the various
farms loved them and bought up all I could make at the princely sum of $1.00
each, But a dollar went much further then.

Don't know if that helps, but I thought I would give it a shot.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote:

There you go, I didn't know that about WEST and UV.
Yup, sisal is crap, but what else is cheap? please NO polyprop...*S*

My first shot would be the plastic banding used for shipping.

Strong, doesn't rust, you don't need skilled labor.

The initial investment is about the only negative, but if amortized
over a production run, that goes away.

Lew



That's the problem. Although I said in an earlier post that I had a few
to do, it's no production run. 6-12 depending on SWMBO's wants, needs
and desires.

Plastic was one thing I'd thought of, but I really don't think it would
look right on cedar. The cedar would age.....the plastic would look like
plastic. The original that I copied had black steel banding, and after a
year or so, you were hardly aware that it was there.

The rope, if done properly, should look sort of ......I don't know....naval?

Twisted wire is also an option I'd thought of, and I have a length of
stainless wire that I'm not using. It might be worth trying too.

Tanus

On Jun 27, 7:02*am, Tanus wrote:


The rope, if done properly, should look sort of ......I don't know....naval?



Aarrrrrrrrrrgh, matey.

In article
,
Angela Sekeris wrote:

On Jun 27, 7:02*am, Tanus wrote:


The rope, if done properly, should look sort of ......I don't know....naval?



Aarrrrrrrrrrgh, matey.

I have to pay more attention to who is logged on on the macbook. Angela
sounds NOTHING like a pirate. G

Robatoy wrote:
In article
,
Angela Sekeris wrote:

On Jun 27, 7:02 am, Tanus wrote:

The rope, if done properly, should look sort of ......I don't know....naval?


Aarrrrrrrrrrgh, matey.

I have to pay more attention to who is logged on on the macbook. Angela
sounds NOTHING like a pirate. G

Better take another listen, Rob. That sounded very piratey to me.

Tanus

"Tanus" wrote in message ...
HeyBub wrote:


You might try like they do whiskey barrels: Make the band first - perhaps
steel strapping of the correct length and the ends welded together. Then
you pound the loop into position. In your case, maybe add a tack or two
to hold it in place.

Alternative:
Assuming you have a groove for the band, just add the staves to the band,
then whack the last stave into position. It would help if the wood were
really dry, that way any added moisture will expand the wood to help lock
it in place.

This idea really worked. I picked up on Robatoy's suggestion of sisal, and
it fit in nicely with the cedar, much better than steel or plastic
banding.

The sisal would have given me as much grief as anything else, but I did as
you suggested, and banded it with only 9 pieces in, and then banged the
last one in. Tight as... oh, that thought brought me back to my youth.
Never ming how tight it was. It was very tight.

Thanks again for everyone's responses. Pics are he

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...werpot4Red.jpg
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...werpot1Red.jpg

Tanus

Looks nice. Now all the wimmin folks are gonna love ya and want you to make
them some of these purty flower pots.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Tanus" wrote in message ...
HeyBub wrote:

You might try like they do whiskey barrels: Make the band first - perhaps
steel strapping of the correct length and the ends welded together. Then
you pound the loop into position. In your case, maybe add a tack or two
to hold it in place.

Alternative:
Assuming you have a groove for the band, just add the staves to the band,
then whack the last stave into position. It would help if the wood were
really dry, that way any added moisture will expand the wood to help lock
it in place.
This idea really worked. I picked up on Robatoy's suggestion of sisal, and
it fit in nicely with the cedar, much better than steel or plastic
banding.

The sisal would have given me as much grief as anything else, but I did as
you suggested, and banded it with only 9 pieces in, and then banged the
last one in. Tight as... oh, that thought brought me back to my youth.
Never ming how tight it was. It was very tight.

Thanks again for everyone's responses. Pics are he

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...werpot4Red.jpg
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waug...werpot1Red.jpg

Tanus

Looks nice. Now all the wimmin folks are gonna love ya and want you to make
them some of these purty flower pots.




Thanks. So far,the only wimmins is SWMBO, and she still hasn't filled
them with flowers. I figure half a dozen is enough.

Tanus