Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yes, I'm a nicotine addict.

I quit smoking in 1978, but once an addict, always an addict.

Lew

In ,
Lew Hodgett dropped this bit of wisdom:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yes, I'm a nicotine addict.

I quit smoking in 1978, but once an addict, always an addict.

Lew

I quit a lot of time, my most recent was 1 year ago.

Every time I quit I restarted with stronger nicotine. Matinee to Players to Export A to Dumaurier and finally to Cigars. I even tried Players Navy Cut but they seemed to pass with the 50's.

I still miss my after dinner Cigar.

P D Q

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yes, I'm a nicotine addict.

I quit smoking in 1978, but once an addict, always an addict.

Lew


The revenge of the flower children. Marijuana is legal but Dad has to
sneak around to smoke his pipe.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

Before Xerox, five carbons were the
maximum extension of anybody's ego.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching fumes as
they do. They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air when
they fly. True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but there
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or coughing, all
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. They also beam
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the back
of the seat in front of them. And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might be
irritating to others. Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

On Jun 1, 8:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching fumes as
they do. *They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air when
they fly. *True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but there
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or coughing, all
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. *They also beam
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the back
of the seat in front of them. *And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might be
irritating to others. *Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

If this happened around here, I would be contributing to the slapper's
defense fund.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

And I've watched what amounts to the reverse. Mother and son doing some
shopping in the supermarket. The kid was pretty big, I figure about 10 years
old. He wanted his mother to buy him things as they were walking around and
she was refusing. He was punching, kicking and slapping her because he'd put
something in the shopping cart and she'd put it back on the shelf.

They weren't speaking English so there wasn't much I could say. I was sorely
tempted to slap the kid silly, but I didn't really feel like spending time
in jail.

Robatoy wrote:
There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

Wow, did the slapper get a big round of applause before they carted her off?

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On Jun 1, 10:57*am, Steve Turner wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

Wow, did the slapper get a big round of applause before they carted her off?

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Probably. A few dozen people saw it, but there were no witnesses.. G

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jun 1, 8:53 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching fumes
as
they do. They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air when
they fly. True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but there
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or coughing,
all
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. They also beam
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the
back
of the seat in front of them. And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might be
irritating to others. Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

If this happened around here, I would be contributing to the slapper's
defense fund.

When kid was younger he would pull that trick and when I said no he would
start asking me why he couldn't have what ever. I would quietly tell him
about undone chores, spent allowance and responsibility. This of course
never worked and he would whine louder, I would again explain louder, not
shouting just loud voice. After a couple of sessions of this and the
embarrassment of having everyone looking at him he quite asking after the
first no

On Jun 1, 10:20*am, "sweet sawdust"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On Jun 1, 8:53 am, "dadiOH" wrote:



Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching fumes
as
they do. They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air when
they fly. True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but there
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or coughing,
all
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. They also beam
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the
back
of the seat in front of them. And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might be
irritating to others. Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

If this happened around here, I would be contributing to the slapper's
defense fund.

When kid was younger he would pull that trick and when I said no he would
start asking me why he couldn't have what ever. *I would quietly tell him
about undone chores, spent allowance and responsibility. This of course
never worked and he would whine louder, *I would again explain louder, not
shouting just loud voice. *After a couple of sessions of this and the
embarrassment of having everyone looking at him he quite asking after the
first no

Once upon a time, about 25 years ago (the kid is 30 now), my son
pitched a fit in a store because we refused to buy him a toy (any toy
- didn't matter). After a short tantrum, I spun the kid around and
gave him a swat on the butt and marched him out of the store as my
wife put our stuff back on the shelves - shopping trip over. Another
woman looked at me in horror and I'm probably lucky she didn't call
the cops. Even then the leftist weenies were nuts about "child
abuse".

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...

There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

If this happened around here, I would be contributing to the slapper's
defense fund.


Last year I saw a similar incident in a local grocery store except the
mother could not control the child. The kid had to be 9-10 years old. I
walked up to the mother and asked if she would like for me to take care of
the problem. She said if you can, yes. I looked at the kid and said I can,
and then walked over to the boy and simply said we are going to take this
out side where we will not be bothering any one, I suggest you straighten up
now. He shut up. I did this for a single mom neighbor about 10 years ago
also.
The trick is to make a suggestion but not explain the details, let the child
imagine what could happen. ;~)

Robatoy wrote in
:

On Jun 1, 8:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are
progressing toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching
fumes
as
they do. *They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air
whe
n
they fly. *True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but
the
re
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or
coughing, a
ll
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. *They also
be
am
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at
the b
ack
of the seat in front of them. *And, of course, they are so inured to
th
eir
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might
be irritating to others. *Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

There was a case where some kid was just losing it and wailing away in
a supermarket. The kids mother pretended not to hear any of it. This
kid was apparently shrieking like a stuck pig.
A woman walked up to the kid's mother and slapped her.

If this happened around here, I would be contributing to the slapper's
defense fund.

Sign me up for that fund!

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:53:26 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching fumes as
they do. They also have to indure (as do all of us) less fresh air when
they fly. True, there is no smoke in all that recirculated air but there
are whatever germs the passengers are exhaling or sneezing or coughing, all
being recirculated...and recirculated...and recirculated. They also beam
happily at their small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the back
of the seat in front of them. And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might be
irritating to others. Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

You are saying it like it is there. Good for you.
They are also the types that go down the road talking on their cells
phones without a thought of the danger they are putting other drivers in
by not paying full attention to their driving. Also, the ones the opposes
any law that would ban cell phones while driving.
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in this
country. It's getting so that many right are disappearing that people once
had.

Paul T.

--
The only dumb question, is the one not asked

"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in this
country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that people
once
had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your lungs out,
it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it bothers me when I'm
going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the odour of
cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making me physically
sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my business what you smoke,
what you eat or what you do in your life as long as it doesn't have an
effect on my life. But when it does, how do you think it should be handled?
My going out and eating in a restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going
out and eating in the same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's
your solution?

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in this
country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that people
once
had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your lungs
out,
it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it bothers me when I'm
going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the odour
of
cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making me physically
sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my business what you smoke,
what you eat or what you do in your life as long as it doesn't have an
effect on my life. But when it does, how do you think it should be
handled?
My going out and eating in a restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You
going
out and eating in the same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's
your solution?


Common courtesy

Try not to annoy anyone and try not be too easy to annoy.

I was smoking in a field one day talking to some friends. Couple comes over
to the group and stands upwind of me to avoid the smoke. They decide to
move down wind and I move to keep the smoke out of their area.They move down
wind of me again and complain about me smoking upwind of them. Non smokers
very often go out of their way to be annoyed.

sweet sawdust wrote:

Try not to annoy anyone and try not be too easy to annoy.

I was smoking in a field one day talking to some friends. Couple comes over
to the group and stands upwind of me to avoid the smoke. They decide to
move down wind and I move to keep the smoke out of their area.They move down
wind of me again and complain about me smoking upwind of them. Non smokers
very often go out of their way to be annoyed.

I don't smoke but go out of my way to avoid non-smokers. I guess I
should say avid, fanatical, hysterical pia non-smokers. You know, the
ones that seem to have taken over Amerika.

These assholes want smoking banned everywhere. Go to an outdoor
football stadium, and guess what, no smoking. For a number of years,
you had to go INSIDE at a Pirate game to smoke, no smoking in the
outdoor stands. It's not about smoking, it's about controlling others
lives. The first 4 states to ban smoking in public restaurants, bars,
pool halls were red socialist states, aka, blue states (not counting
Utah). This is no accident, the socialist *******s want to control your
entire life.

Whiny non-smokers whine about every damned thing, too hot, too cold, too
much sun, not enough sun and so on and on and on. That's why I try to
avoid non smoking bars (we have both in PA) It keeps the chronic
whiners out of my face, so I only go to smoking bars, even though I
don't smoke.

--
Jack
Go Penns!
http://jbstein.com

Upscale wrote:
"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in
this country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that
people once had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your
lungs out, it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it
bothers me when I'm going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the
odour of cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making
me physically sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my
business what you smoke, what you eat or what you do in your life as
long as it doesn't have an effect on my life. But when it does, how
do you think it should be handled? My going out and eating in a
restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going out and eating in the
same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's your solution?

My solution is that the restaurant - or other business owner - should be
able to decide what rules he wants in his/her establishment. It is *not*
the business of the government, became so because of the mind set of the
Smoke Nazis that the world should conform to *their* view of how it should
be.

dadiOH

dadiOH wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in
this country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that
people once had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your
lungs out, it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it
bothers me when I'm going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the
odour of cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making
me physically sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my
business what you smoke, what you eat or what you do in your life as
long as it doesn't have an effect on my life. But when it does, how
do you think it should be handled? My going out and eating in a
restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going out and eating in the
same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's your solution?

My solution is that the restaurant - or other business owner -
should be able to decide what rules he wants in his/her
establishment. It is *not* the business of the government, became so
because of the mind set of the Smoke Nazis that the world should
conform to *their* view of how it should be.

Bingo--at most the government's involvement should be to require a sign on
the door with the smoking policy.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:14:54 -0500, Upscale wrote:

"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in this
country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that people
once
had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your lungs out,
it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it bothers me when I'm
going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the odour of
cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making me physically
sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my business what you smoke,
what you eat or what you do in your life as long as it doesn't have an
effect on my life. But when it does, how do you think it should be handled?
My going out and eating in a restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going
out and eating in the same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's
your solution?

It may cost the restaurant some money, but it is possible to have a vent
system that would draw the smoke out and keep it from the non-smokers. But
even then there are non-smokers that would complain no matter what the
situation. When smoking was allowed in restaurant's, there was many times
that I seen the non-smoking area filled, so a non-smoker couple would take
a place in the smoking area and sit there and complain about the smoke the
whole time. When a group of people want something, they will do anything
to get what they want, so matter how many lies it takes.

Paul T.

--
The only dumb question, is the one not asked

"PHT" wrote in message
It may cost the restaurant some money, but it is possible to have a vent
system that would draw the smoke out and keep it from the non-smokers. But
even then there are non-smokers that would complain no matter what the
situation.

They had those separated and filtered smoking rooms in Ontario, but they
were eventually outlawed and it's now illegal.

Let's face it. Smoking is and has been one of the most costly (lives *and*
money) blights in human history. Whether one is a smoker or anti-smoking
Nazi, the cost to civilization at large is absolutely enormous. On a guess,
I'd wager that smoking has killed more people than all the wars combined and
cost more health care money than all the bankruptcies (current and past)
combined.

If smoking *only* affected the individuals doing so, then what they smoke
would be their business only. But, it's not true and never will be. Society
always shoulders the lion's share of the inevitable health care costs that
smoker's bring onto themselves.

Upscale wrote:
"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in
this country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that
people once had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your
lungs out, it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it
bothers me when I'm going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the
odour of cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making
me physically sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my
business what you smoke, what you eat or what you do in your life as
long as it doesn't have an effect on my life. But when it does, how
do you think it should be handled? My going out and eating in a
restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going out and eating in the
same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's your solution?

Let the market decide.

Smoke-free restaurants and smoking restaurants. Or separate sections in the
same restaurant.

This simple solution is, however, insufficient for the True Believer (see
the book by the same name by Eric Hoffer).

People mind their own business when it's worth minding. When it's not, they
take their mind off their own meaningless affairs by minding someone else's
business.

These folks are, nevertheless, a source of some amusement. Whenever some
granny-lady starts whacking me with her umbrella and screeching in a voice
that has not endeared her to any number of husbands: "You godless communist,
you can't smoke here!," I simply reply: "It's all right, madam, I'm French."

HeyBub wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"PHT" wrote in message
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in
this country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that
people once had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your
lungs out, it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it
bothers me when I'm going about my business.

I admit it, I used to smoke. I quit some thirty years ago. Now, the
odour of cigarettes and the smell of nicotine comes close to making
me physically sick. I'm not being hypocritical, it's none of my
business what you smoke, what you eat or what you do in your life as
long as it doesn't have an effect on my life. But when it does, how
do you think it should be handled? My going out and eating in a
restaurant doesn't affect you at all. You going out and eating in the
same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's your solution?

Let the market decide.

Smoke-free restaurants and smoking restaurants. Or separate sections
in the same restaurant.

This simple solution is, however, insufficient for the True Believer
(see the book by the same name by Eric Hoffer).

People mind their own business when it's worth minding. When it's
not, they take their mind off their own meaningless affairs by
minding someone else's business.

These folks are, nevertheless, a source of some amusement. Whenever
some granny-lady starts whacking me with her umbrella and screeching
in a voice that has not endeared her to any number of husbands: "You
godless communist, you can't smoke here!," I simply reply: "It's all
right, madam, I'm French."

Next time, try, "Being French, it is incumbent upon me to ask you this
question, madam. Do you screw."

With any luck she'll pop a blood vessel and the world will be a better
place.

Upscale wrote:

I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in this
country. It's getting so that many rights are disappearing that people
once
had.

Sure, you've got plenty of rights. Smoke all you want, burn your lungs out,
it's none of my business. Just don't do it where it bothers me when I'm
going about my business.
You going

out and eating in the same restaurant and smoking does affect me. What's
your solution?

My solution would be to let the restaurant owner decide if he wants to
ban smoking or allow smoking. I think about 75% don't smoke so you
would think a restaurant owner would be around that would cater to the
non smoker IF enough people really cared.

On the other hand, I don't smoke nut would stay far away from the non
smoking restaurant to avoid the chronic bitcher's that are so annoyed by
others smoking habits. For public buildings owned by the government, I
guess a public referendum would be nice.

--
Jack
Go Penns!
http://jbstein.com

Dave Balderstone wrote:

In article , Jack Stein
wrote:

My solution would be to let the restaurant owner decide if he wants to
ban smoking or allow smoking. I think about 75% don't smoke so you
would think a restaurant owner would be around that would cater to the
non smoker IF enough people really cared.

I smoked for a long time, quit about 7-8 years ago. I really notice the
smoke, but don't bitch about it.

I agree with you. Let the market decide.

The businesses that catered to smokers would attract that business, and
vice-versa.


Back several years ago when AZ went the "smoke-free" path, a restaurant
owner wanted to turn his restaurant into a "smoking club". To a reasonable
person, this seemed pretty reasonable, there are lots of restaurants in
Tucson and there would be no doubt what one would be walking into if you
entered this person's establishment. To a reasonable person. Reality?
Full force of the law came down on this guy's head. How dare he think that
he could run HIS business as he saw fit?!


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

PHT wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:53:26 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant
with a no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like
Camarillo have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is
banned and now there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are
progressing toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yeah, the Smoke Nazis have won.

They still putt-putt around in their myriad cars, though, belching
fumes as they do. They also have to indure (as do all of us) less
fresh air when they fly. True, there is no smoke in all that
recirculated air but there are whatever germs the passengers are
exhaling or sneezing or coughing, all being recirculated...and
recirculated...and recirculated. They also beam happily at their
small children as said bairns merrily kick away at the back of the
seat in front of them. And, of course, they are so inured to their
child's wailing that it never occurs to them that the wailing might
be irritating to others. Smoke free though...

I don't eat out much anymore.

dadiOH

You are saying it like it is there. Good for you.
They are also the types that go down the road talking on their cells
phones without a thought of the danger they are putting other drivers
in by not paying full attention to their driving. Also, the ones the
opposes any law that would ban cell phones while driving.
I also seldom eat out anymore. Smoker's do longer have any rights in
this country. It's getting so that many right are disappearing that
people once had.

Personally I'd like to see legislation that allows you to do _anything_ you
feel like in the way of personal mayhem to _any_ person seen talking on a
cell phone while driving. Only caveats--you must be able to prove that you
saw them talking on a cell phone while driving and you have to get _only_
the person who was talking on the phone. Never gonna happen but it's
something to fantasize about.

Lew,

Good for you kicking the habit. I quit when I was 13.
32 years ago!


cm


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Never thought I'd see it, bans on smoking.

When I came to California 20 years ago, trying to find a restaurant with a
no smoking section was a real challenge.

Today, smoking inside buildings is not permitted, cities like Camarillo
have totally banned smoking, smoking on the beaches is banned and now
there is discussion to ban smoking on golf courses.

Understand NYC has also banned smoking so both coasts are progressing
toward the heartland.

The recent addition of another $0.60+/pack federal tax doesn't hurt
either.

Yes, I'm a nicotine addict.

I quit smoking in 1978, but once an addict, always an addict.

Lew

"cm" wrote:

Lew,

Good for you kicking the habit. I quit when I was 13.
32 years ago!

Thank you.

Actually it was the 2nd time I quit.

1st time quit for 2-3 years then went on a brewery trip and in a weak
moment had a cigar.

That was it for another 6-7 years.

No direct experience with drugs other than nicotine, but I'm convinced
that nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"cm" wrote:

Lew,

Good for you kicking the habit. I quit when I was 13.
32 years ago!

Thank you.

Actually it was the 2nd time I quit.

1st time quit for 2-3 years then went on a brewery trip and in a weak
moment had a cigar.

That was it for another 6-7 years.

No direct experience with drugs other than nicotine, but I'm convinced
that nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet.


Mark Twain said he could quit anytime. He'd done it often.

Twain was quite proud of the fact that the only thing that could overcome
his iron will to remain tobacco-free was his determination to overcome his
iron will.

Oh, and he didn't smoke when he was asleep.

One of his best lines:

"The differences between a James Fennimore Cooper Indian and the Indian that
stands in front of the cigar store are not many."