"Upscale" wrote

"notbob" wrote in message
I don't know where you've been shopping, but a machinist/engineer square
can
be had for under $20. Besides, you're paying for a level of accuracy far
outside what you'll ever be able to attain in wood. You'd be better off
with a good machinist combination square, which is still more accurate
than you need. More useful, too.

Agreed. I use the 10" stainless steel square from Lee Valley and it fills
most of my needs.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,42936,42941


You can get small machinist squares for layout at many industrial and tool
stores. I bought mine at Enco. The small ones are perfect for checking the
accuracy of saw setups.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
You can get small machinist squares for layout at many industrial and tool
stores. I bought mine at Enco. The small ones are perfect for checking
the
accuracy of saw setups.

It's a trifle pricy, but I was thinking of buying one of the digital "tilt
boxes" for measuring my blade angle. It would be convenient on those angle
cuts. Of course, if all I was cutting was 90° and 45° cuts then it would be
cheaper and easier to pick up a 45° square.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...at=1,240,41064

On May 11, 12:35*pm, "Upscale" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
You can get small machinist squares for layout at many industrial and tool
stores. I bought mine at Enco. *The small ones are perfect for checking
the
accuracy of saw setups.

It's a trifle pricy, but I was thinking of buying one of the digital "tilt
boxes" for measuring my blade angle. It would be convenient on those angle
cuts. Of course, if all I was cutting was 90° and 45° cuts then it would be
cheaper and easier to pick up a 45° square.http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...at=1,240,41064

This part in the description of that tilt box is a bit odd.
"It has a range of 90° left or right and a resolution of 0.05°
(accurate to 0.2°)."

I guess that's like having a car with a speedometer that goes to 120
and the car tops out at 85. Or a woman saying she feels 25 and she's
talking about the age of her breast implants.

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
This part in the description of that tilt box is a bit odd.
"It has a range of 90° left or right and a resolution of 0.05°
(accurate to 0.2°)."

It is kind of confusing. I took the resolution of 0.05° to refer to the
sharpness of the LCD and left it at that. If that's what it's meant to refer
to it might be useful in outside sunny conditions. I've seen LCD readouts
that you have to shadow and almost cup with your hand before you can make
them out.

On May 11, 12:56*pm, "Upscale" wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message

This part in the description of that tilt box is a bit odd.
"It has a range of 90° left or right and a resolution of 0.05°
(accurate to 0.2°)."

It is kind of confusing. I took the resolution of 0.05° to refer to the
sharpness of the LCD and left it at that. If that's what it's meant to refer
to it might be useful in outside sunny conditions. I've seen LCD readouts
that you have to shadow and almost cup with your hand before you can make
them out.

They're talking about the readout - it reads to two decimal points,
but the accuracy is only good to one. That gives a false sense of
accuracy. No way in hell am I paying $39.95 for that. If it was
$39.9 - maybe.

R

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

"RicodJour" wrote in message
This part in the description of that tilt box is a bit odd.
"It has a range of 90° left or right and a resolution of 0.05°
(accurate to 0.2°)."

It is kind of confusing. I took the resolution of 0.05° to refer to the
sharpness of the LCD and left it at that. If that's what it's meant to
refer
to it might be useful in outside sunny conditions. I've seen LCD readouts
that you have to shadow and almost cup with your hand before you can make
them out.



The tilt box measures to one digit right of decimal point and the display is
digital, not analog. There fore it displays accuracy to within .05
degrees.

Upscale wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message
This part in the description of that tilt box is a bit odd.
"It has a range of 90° left or right and a resolution of 0.05°
(accurate to 0.2°)."

It is kind of confusing. I took the resolution of 0.05° to refer to the
sharpness of the LCD and left it at that. If that's what it's meant to refer
to it might be useful in outside sunny conditions. I've seen LCD readouts
that you have to shadow and almost cup with your hand before you can make
them out.


That is like the one climate study I saw. Their conclusion was that
they were seeing differences of 0.1 pH units in there ocean samples and
said it was caused by global warming. They forgot to mention that the
best pH standards are only good to +/- 0.05 pH Units. In other words
what they were attributing to global warming was the variance in the
standards they used to standardize the pH meter.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
You can get small machinist squares for layout at many industrial and
tool
stores. I bought mine at Enco. The small ones are perfect for checking
the
accuracy of saw setups.

It's a trifle pricy, but I was thinking of buying one of the digital "tilt
boxes" for measuring my blade angle. It would be convenient on those angle
cuts. Of course, if all I was cutting was 90° and 45° cuts then it would
be
cheaper and easier to pick up a 45° square.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...at=1,240,41064



I have a tilt box, I use it more and more each day. I was adding an outer
side platform to a steel tool stand/table. Because the legs on the stand
were angled out 5 degrees I had to cut the bracing at a 5 degree angle so
that the surface would be parallel to the table top plane. I put the tilt
box on the table top, zeroed it, and then stuck it to the leg and got an 85
degree reading. The nice thing is that if firs into tight spots.

"Leon" wrote in message
box on the table top, zeroed it, and then stuck it to the leg and got an
85
degree reading. The nice thing is that if fits into tight spots.

Tight spots and many angles all in one. All that's left to make them solar
powered like many calculators.

On 2009-05-11, Upscale wrote:

Tight spots and many angles all in one. All that's left to make them solar
powered like many calculators.

What's left is to make 'em cheaper. Looks like a neat tool, but $40 is way
outta line. As is the case with digital watches, calculators, etc, the case
probably costs more than the electronics. I wonder if Casio has a watch
that will do angles.

nb

On May 11, 1:10*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2009-05-11, Upscale wrote:

Tight spots and many angles all in one. All that's left to make them solar
powered like many calculators.

What's left is to make 'em cheaper. *Looks like a neat tool, but $40 is way
outta line. *As is the case with digital watches, calculators, etc, the case
probably costs more than the electronics. *I wonder if Casio has a watch
that will do angles. *

My iPhone does. http://www.ihandysoft.com/carpenter/

R

"notbob" wrote in message
...
On 2009-05-11, Upscale wrote:

Tight spots and many angles all in one. All that's left to make them
solar
powered like many calculators.

What's left is to make 'em cheaper. Looks like a neat tool, but $40 is
way
outta line. As is the case with digital watches, calculators, etc, the
case
probably costs more than the electronics. I wonder if Casio has a watch
that will do angles.

nb


Wixey makes their version of the TiltBox and they often have their goods on
sale. IIRC they were even giving their tilt box away with the purchase of
another of one of their measuring devises.

A year and a half ago my son gave me the Wixey brand and got it for $29.99.
Or you can get one of the Rockler 20% off coupons that come out periodically
and get one there.

On May 11, 9:35*am, "Upscale" wrote:


It's a trifle pricy, but I was thinking of buying one of the digital "tilt
boxes" for measuring my blade angle. It would be convenient on those angle
cuts.

It doesn't need to be digital. Regular old gravity tilt gizmos are
available,
inexpensive, and don't need batteries.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32584&cat=1,43513

"whit3rd" wrote in message
...
On May 11, 9:35 am, "Upscale" wrote:


It's a trifle pricy, but I was thinking of buying one of the digital "tilt
boxes" for measuring my blade angle. It would be convenient on those angle
cuts.

It doesn't need to be digital. Regular old gravity tilt gizmos are
available,
inexpensive, and don't need batteries.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32584&cat=1,43513

True but a digital one is only $11 more at regular price and they can easily
measure tenths of a degree.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Upscale" wrote

"notbob" wrote in message
I don't know where you've been shopping, but a machinist/engineer
square can be had for under $20. Besides, you're paying for a
level of accuracy far outside what you'll ever be able to attain in
wood. You'd be better off with a good machinist combination
square, which is still more accurate than you need. More useful,
too.

Agreed. I use the 10" stainless steel square from Lee Valley and it
fills most of my needs.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,42936,42941


You can get small machinist squares for layout at many industrial and
tool stores. I bought mine at Enco. The small ones are perfect for
checking the accuracy of saw setups.

Grizzly has a set for 16 bucks with 2, 3, 4, and 6". The little ones are
more useful than I would have expected.