My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.



--
LRod

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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net
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email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.




He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.




He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. Someone
with no knowledge of the Constitution. Wow, Guess his next move is to do
away with that too. Change we can believe in, **** he wants to change
everything including our way of life!!! Wish he had spent more time in
MEXICO. But then we have Joe DumbAss waiting behind the curtains or is he
hiding behind them? Every time that fool opens his mouth he sticks his foot
in it.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK

evodawg wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.



He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. Someone
with no knowledge of the Constitution. Wow, Guess his next move is to do
away with that too. Change we can believe in, **** he wants to change
everything including our way of life!!! Wish he had spent more time in
MEXICO. But then we have Joe DumbAss waiting behind the curtains or is he
hiding behind them? Every time that fool opens his mouth he sticks his foot
in it.

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay attention
and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the vote...

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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay attention
and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the vote...

As opposed to the borderline illiterate, Born Again, ex- cocaine and
alcohol
abuser, oblivious of the world around him, borderline moron, Deer In
The
Headlights guy that the REAL Americans voted into the office last
time?

Or the Air Head that the same folks rallied behind as the vice
presidential
candidate for their party? (I've got plenty of foreing policy
experience
- because I can SEE Russia from parts of MY state).

charlieb wrote:

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an
incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay
attention and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the
vote...

As opposed to the borderline illiterate, Born Again, ex- cocaine and
alcohol
abuser, oblivious of the world around him, borderline moron, Deer In
The
Headlights guy that the REAL Americans voted into the office last
time?

Or the Air Head that the same folks rallied behind as the vice
presidential
candidate for their party? (I've got plenty of foreing policy
experience
- because I can SEE Russia from parts of MY state).

But wait now we have a Community Organizer as the Commander and Chief. Give
me a ****ing break!! Lets not forget an idiot every time he opens his mouth
he shoves his own foot in it. Wonder who that would be?

--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

charlieb wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay attention
and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the vote...

As opposed to the borderline illiterate, Born Again, ex- cocaine and
alcohol
abuser, oblivious of the world around him, borderline moron, Deer In
The
Headlights guy that the REAL Americans voted into the office last
time?

Or the Air Head that the same folks rallied behind as the vice
presidential
candidate for their party? (I've got plenty of foreing policy
experience
- because I can SEE Russia from parts of MY state).

Even if it were true as written (and it's not, it's an exaggeration for
effect), W would still be an order of magnitude less malignant than
the ObamaSavior...

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PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

On May 1, 9:40*pm, charlieb wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:
The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an incredible
menace this guy is. *It's what happens when the adults don't pay attention
and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the vote...

* * As opposed to the borderline illiterate, Born Again, ex- cocaine and
alcohol
* * abuser, oblivious of the world around him, borderline moron, Deer In
The
* * Headlights guy that the REAL Americans voted into the office last
time?

* * Or the Air Head that the same folks rallied behind as the vice
presidential
* * candidate for their party? *(I've got plenty of foreing policy
experience
* * - because I can SEE Russia from parts of MY state).

MY reaction to Sarah Palin is the desire to slap her on the ass and
ask her "WHO's your daddy?"
I don't care what anybody says, she is totally schtuppable.

charlieb wrote:

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an
incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay
attention and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the
vote...

As opposed to the borderline illiterate, Born Again, ex- cocaine and
alcohol
abuser, oblivious of the world around him, borderline moron, Deer In
The
Headlights guy that the REAL Americans voted into the office last
time?

You mean the guy whose grades were higher than both Al Gore's and John
Kerry's (who served in Vietnam)?


Or the Air Head that the same folks rallied behind as the vice
presidential
candidate for their party? (I've got plenty of foreing policy
experience

You know, for someone who voted for a ticket with Joe Biden as the Vice
President, I would think you would have the intelligence to keep your head
low on that one. "Stand up Chuck! Oh, God, what am I saying? Everybody
stand up for Chuck!"


- because I can SEE Russia from parts of MY state).

Clue for the apparently clueless: the VP candidate didn't say that: Tina
Fey on SNL said that during a comedy skit.

They told me if I voted for McCain, I'd get an idiot for a vice president.
They were right.



--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...

evodawg wrote:
Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. Someone
with no knowledge of the Constitution. Wow, Guess his next move is to do
away with that too. Change we can believe in, **** he wants to change
everything including our way of life!!! Wish he had spent more time in
MEXICO. But then we have Joe DumbAss waiting behind the curtains or is he
hiding behind them? Every time that fool opens his mouth he sticks his foot
in it.

The tragedy here is that the Hopeium smokers still don't get what an incredible
menace this guy is. It's what happens when the adults don't pay attention
and drunks, drug addicts, and intellectual children control the vote...

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under
the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas, Presidential
Candidate, U.S. Socialist Party, 1948

--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com

"evodawg" wrote

Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. Someone
with no knowledge of the Constitution. Wow, Guess his next move is to do
away with that too. Change we can believe in, **** he wants to change
everything including our way of life!!! Wish he had spent more time in
MEXICO. But then we have Joe DumbAss waiting behind the curtains or is he
hiding behind them? Every time that fool opens his mouth he sticks his
foot
in it.
--
Add to the list of qualification, must have swine flu.

Afterall, he has to appoint a victim to the job tomake sure that all the
rest of us are victimized. And what would be a more contemporary victim than
someone who has swine flu.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 13:49:41 -0700, evodawg
wrote:

Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. ...

Offered without further comment:

"President Barack Obama pledged Friday to name a Supreme Court justice
who combines "empathy and understanding" with an impeccable legal
background..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090501/...er_retiring_37


Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Tom Veatch wrote:

On Fri, 01 May 2009 13:49:41 -0700, evodawg
wrote:

Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. ...

Offered without further comment:

"President Barack Obama pledged Friday to name a Supreme Court justice
who combines "empathy and understanding" with an impeccable legal
background..."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090501/...er_retiring_37


Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

He also said, "I will seek someone who understands that justice isn't about
some abstract legal theory or footnote in a case book." Abstract Legal
Theory? Is he calling the Constitution Abstract? I'm wondering what he
thinks the Supreme Court does? Read footnotes in a case book?


--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

evodawg wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:

On Fri, 01 May 2009 13:49:41 -0700, evodawg
wrote:

Remember him saying in a debate with Wolf Blixscreen, CNN he would choose
someone with no legal qualifications, just an ordinary person. ...
Offered without further comment:

"President Barack Obama pledged Friday to name a Supreme Court justice
who combines "empathy and understanding" with an impeccable legal
background..."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090501/...er_retiring_37

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

He also said, "I will seek someone who understands that justice isn't about
some abstract legal theory or footnote in a case book." Abstract Legal
Theory? Is he calling the Constitution Abstract? I'm wondering what he
thinks the Supreme Court does? Read footnotes in a case book?



He doesn't *care* what SCOTUS is supposed to do. He and his fellow radicals
are hellbent on retooling the country to get around the limits on government
power imposed upon the Constitution. Step 1 - exploit every proximate emergency
to create a greater and greater roll for the snoopy Feds. Step 2 - Overplay,
exaggerate, and outright invent "crises" as needed such as Climate Change,
Healthcare access, the current piggie flu (which, to be fair, should be
affecting more Liberals than anyone), and so forth. Step 3 - Rewrite the
Constitution implicitly by appointing SCOTUS judges that will just make
it up as they go along.

Welcome to Soviet America...

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"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.




He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



--
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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/


Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC

CC wrote:

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.




He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



--
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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/


Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC

Please name one right "Bush took away from us". I was no fan of W's,
but a lot of what gets blamed on him was either: a) Already set in
precedent courtesy of the insane "War On Drugs", "War On Poverty",
"War On Illiteracy", and so on (each of which gave the nosy Feds
more and more power over the individual) or b) A removal of "rights"
from foreign invaders, none of who have a legitimate claim to our
protections under civil or criminal law.

The one exception here was W's expansion of NSA "wiretapping" on domestic
communications. He certainly did this the wrong way. It absolutely should
have been done selectively and under a court's supervision. But let us
not forget that the Democrats - those fabulous patriots that they are -
blocked any attempt to help W in this matter - say, by providing him with
a more rational and streamlined court oversight system. They were quite
happy to sit by and do *nothing* (but bitch and whine, two of the
three pillars of the Left, the other being stealing) and then use the issue
to go after Bush politically. The Axis Of Political Vermin that is Reid,
Pelosi, Frank, Schumer, Durbin, et al, are so selfish and evil that they
were happy to harm their own country in the bettering of their political
party ambitions ... and they were successful: We now have an incompetent
amateur in the White House with a Marxist patina and the moral compass
of a waterfront whore.

The Right is lousy. The left is far worse...

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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

On May 1, 5:56*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
*We now have an incompetent
amateur in the White House with a Marxist patina and the moral compass
of a waterfront whore.


You speak. no doubt, from personal experience.

Robatoy wrote:
On May 1, 5:56 pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
We now have an incompetent
amateur in the White House with a Marxist patina and the moral compass
of a waterfront whore.


You speak. no doubt, from personal experience.

Yes. I used to work on the waterfront in my callow youth, though
not as a whore...

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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

The one exception here was W's expansion of NSA "wiretapping" on
domestic communications. He certainly did this the wrong way. It
absolutely should have been done selectively and under a court's
supervision. But let us not forget that the Democrats - those
fabulous patriots that they are - blocked any attempt to help W in
this matter - say, by providing him with a more rational and
streamlined court oversight system. They were quite happy to sit by
and do *nothing* (but bitch and whine, two of the
three pillars of the Left, the other being stealing) and then use the
issue to go after Bush politically.

There was no "domestic" wiretapping - except by accident. All tapped
communication involved at least one foreign subject.

The first instances of intercepting enemy electronic communications took
place during the Second War of Independence when both the Union and the
Confederacy tapped into their adversaries telegraph lines - without
warrants, I might add. Such surveillance continues to the present day with
the heyday during the times when we cracked the Japanese "Purple Code" and
the Brits at Benchely Park deciphered the Enigma machine. We didn't need
warrants to listen in to the Japanese fleet traffic and the British didn't
require a QC warrant to follow the German submarine fleet.

The Left and the Right talk past each other: The Left sees all the issues as
crimes and constitution. The Right sees the issues as war problems. The 4th,
5th, and 6th Amendments deal with "crimes" as in "In all criminal
proceedings..." The Left asserts that detainees and everybody else are
entitled to constitutional protections.

The Right sees things through the president's Article II powers. The
detainees at Gitmo, according to the Right, are not criminals - they have
committed no crimes and are not charged with crimes. As such, they are not
entitled to lawyers, courts, witnesses on their behalf, indictment by a
grand jury, speedy trials, and all the other constitutional privileges we
give to criminals. For example, we incarcerate people all the time who are
not "criminals:" Civil contempt, juveniles, illegal aliens, contagious
disease carriers, and more. None are constitutionally entitled to a trial,
lawyers, compulsory process for witnesses, avoidance of self-incrimination,
and the like.

During WW2, several hundred thousand captured German and Italian prisoners
were housed on US soil (Texas alone had over 100 POW camps). Of these
hundreds of thousands of prisoners, many were U.S. citizens (usually dual
citizenship). Not one got access to our courts. Not one got legal
representation. Why? Because they were not criminals.

I'm not saying the good folks at Gitmo are POWs, far from it*. I am only
illustrating that there are parallel tracks of justice: one for criminals
and one for events arising under the rules of war. These tracks are NOT the
same and, from legal perspectives, are treated differently, with different
rules by different people.

-------
* The people at Gitmo are "unlawful enemy combatants" in the same category
as spies, guerrillas, saboteurs, fifth-columnists, etc. Under the customary
rules of war, they can be summarily executed.

"HeyBub" wrote:


The Left and the Right talk past each other: The Left sees all the issues as
crimes and constitution. The Right sees the issues as war problems. The 4th,
5th, and 6th Amendments deal with "crimes" as in "In all criminal
proceedings..." The Left asserts that detainees and everybody else are
entitled to constitutional protections.

The 5th amendment starts "No person shall..." so you'd think it applies to more
than just criminals. One of the independent clauses continues " nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." No crime
required.

For example, we incarcerate people all the time who are
not "criminals:" Civil contempt, juveniles, illegal aliens, contagious
disease carriers, and more.

All subject to habius and judicial review, no?


* The people at Gitmo are "unlawful enemy combatants" in the same category
as spies, guerrillas, saboteurs, fifth-columnists, etc. Under the customary
rules of war, they can be summarily executed.

Who says they are "unlawful enemy combatants"? Regardless, they are entitled
to judicial process under the Geneva Convention, which covers all persons in an
occupied country or combat zone, just solely combatants. You're right, it does
not have to be the same process as US citizens. Except for a few, we have
failed to provide them any judicial process.

No, they no longer can be summarily executed. They need at least a drumhead
court martial.

-- Doug

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PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/


Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC

Please name one right "Bush took away from us". I was no fan of W's,
but a lot of what gets blamed on him was either: a) Already set in
precedent courtesy of the insane "War On Drugs", "War On Poverty",
"War On Illiteracy", and so on (each of which gave the nosy Feds
more and more power over the individual) or b) A removal of "rights"
from foreign invaders, none of who have a legitimate claim to our
protections under civil or criminal law.


How about the suspension of Habeas Corpus or the expansion of the
Border Patrol's powers in the "Constitution-Free Zone"? I live more
than a thousand miles from Mexico, but I am subject to arbitrary stop
and search because I live in this zone. We don't need to go into the
issue of torture, do we? I suppose that's not a violation of human
rights.

Bill

Bill wrote:
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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC
Please name one right "Bush took away from us". I was no fan of W's,
but a lot of what gets blamed on him was either: a) Already set in
precedent courtesy of the insane "War On Drugs", "War On Poverty",
"War On Illiteracy", and so on (each of which gave the nosy Feds
more and more power over the individual) or b) A removal of "rights"
from foreign invaders, none of who have a legitimate claim to our
protections under civil or criminal law.


How about the suspension of Habeas Corpus or the expansion of the

Where this happened to US citizens, it was wrong (Hamdi). But this was
very much the exception situation. But foreign invaders do not have
Habeas rights. This is a fiction manufactured by the drooly left
because they refused to acknowledge terror attacks on our soil as
being military in their essence and wanted to treat them like
conventional legal/criminal problems.


Border Patrol's powers in the "Constitution-Free Zone"? I live more
than a thousand miles from Mexico, but I am subject to arbitrary stop
and search because I live in this zone. We don't need to go into the

You have always been subject to "search and seizure" when/if law
enforcement has probable cause. This is not new under W.

issue of torture, do we?

Not when people like you: a) Manufacture definitions of "torture" to suit
your political agenda, b) Ignore the many precedents in U.S. history
that have used forceful interrogations, and c) Insist on conferring
privileges to non-uniformed combatants that are not significantly
protected by any treaty to which the U.S. is party (to the point where
they are better protected than the U.S. citizenry).


I suppose that's not a violation of human
rights.

We are not obligated by any treat to extend "human rights" to people
who make war in plain clothes against our civilians. They fall in the
general category of spy or saboteur and even the Geneva Conventions
we've signed have almost no protections for such people. Again, the
legal/social contract that defines our nation is not available to
people who do not participate in it. You cannot come here wearing no
visible form of military clothing or markings, attack our citizens,
and then scream for habeas and other due process rights. Oh ... wait
.... yes you can, just ask a liberal who will do what they always do in
such situtions: apologize and make up "rights" out of thin air ...


Again I ask. What rights did YOU lose under W?
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Bill wrote:
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Tim Daneliuk
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Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights over the last 8 years
CC

Please name one right "Bush took away from us". I was no fan of W's,
but a lot of what gets blamed on him was either: a) Already set in
precedent courtesy of the insane "War On Drugs", "War On Poverty",
"War On Illiteracy", and so on (each of which gave the nosy Feds
more and more power over the individual) or b) A removal of "rights"
from foreign invaders, none of who have a legitimate claim to our
protections under civil or criminal law.


How about the suspension of Habeas Corpus

What suspension would that be, the one that the Supreme Court slapped down?

Note--Lincoln tried that one too, with the same result.

or the expansion of the
Border Patrol's powers in the "Constitution-Free Zone"? I live more
than a thousand miles from Mexico, but I am subject to arbitrary stop
and search because I live in this zone.

So how many times have you or anybody else you know actually been stopped
and searched?

We don't need to go into the
issue of torture, do we?

Go for it.

I suppose that's not a violation of human
rights.

Flying planes into buildings is a violation of human rights too you know.

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On May 1, 6:20*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


The right to walk with your head held high...anywhere on this planet.

Robatoy wrote:
On May 1, 6:20 pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC
What rights were taken away?


The right to walk with your head held high...anywhere on this planet.


If any US government could have taken that away it would have been the
government under either Johnson or Carter either of whom made any
President up to an including W look flawless. Obama is well on his
way to shattering their respective records for duplicity, stupidity,
incompetence, capitulation, and evil.

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PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Robatoy wrote:
On May 1, 6:20 pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our rights
over the last 8 years
CC
What rights were taken away?


The right to walk with your head held high...anywhere on this planet.


Don't see that one in the Constitution.
Must be right there with the "right to privacy," so many people make up
when talking about traffic cameras.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Robatoy wrote:

On May 1, 6:20Â*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


The right to walk with your head held high...anywhere on this planet.
hmmmm, I have no problem with walking with my head up high, sounds like a
personal problem. You mean to tell me a president would have something to
do with your self esteem?
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

"-MIKE-" wrote:

What rights were taken away?

The right to look in the mirror each morning and be proud to be an
American rather than to be discusted at doing nothing to try to stop
what happened from 2000 thru 2008.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote:

What rights were taken away?

The right to look in the mirror each morning and be proud to be an
American rather than to be discusted at doing nothing to try to stop
what happened from 2000 thru 2008.

Lew


Don't see that one in the Constitution either.
I hope you still have all your constitutional rights, eight years from
now.


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Lew Hodgett wrote:

"-MIKE-" wrote:

What rights were taken away?

The right to look in the mirror each morning and be proud to be an
American rather than to be discusted at doing nothing to try to stop
what happened from 2000 thru 2008.

Lew
I'm discusted tooooo! I enjoyed the last eight years. Very profitable for
me. Lets see how you feel in 4 years, unless of course youre married to
this guy... Id rather have big business, then big Government
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

"-MIKE-" wrote:

What rights were taken away?

The right to look in the mirror each morning and be proud to be an
American rather than to be discusted at doing nothing to try to stop
what happened from 2000 thru 2008.

Lew

That is one of the most asinine statements that the left mutters. What
exactly made things so bad from 2000 to 2008? The fact you got to keep
more of your money instead of paying it in taxes? EVERYBODY got a tax cut,
not just the wealthy few despite the continued mouthings of the left to the
contrary. The fact that the US actually took the fight to terrorists and
terrorist supporting countries after 40 years of letting crap happen and
then issuing strongly worded condemnations? The fact that the US had the
lowest unemployment rates in history during that time, dipping below the 5%
that was considered to be full employment? The fact that the US economy
recovered spectacularly following 9/11 despite the shock upon our financial
system?


Or was it simply the fact that France hated the US during that time?
Hint: they still ain't happy with us despite the fact that The One was
elected.

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


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My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any
other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.
And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process
if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you
CC

CC wrote:

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?

My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.
And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process
if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you
CC


For the sake of debate, I'll stipulate that these "rights" have been
been denied you.

Obama has been in office with a Democratic controlled House and Senate
for over 100 days.

Have these rights been returned to you?


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CC wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any
other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.
And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process
if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you

Not according to the Supreme Court.

CC wrote:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC

What rights were taken away?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any
other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.
And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process

Ummm, actually it was *only* calls from the US to an overseas number that
had been identified as linked to terrorists. It always amuses me when the
left was bleating about this loss of "privacy" when many of those people so
bleating have no qualms about loudly carrying on cell phone conversations
in public regardless of how personal the subject.


In this case, you lost zero rights as opposed to the rights that the
current administration is no kidding taking away:
The rights of contract law in which a judge can set aside a contract and
force a lender to alter the *principal* amount of a loan. Any idea how
hard it would be to get a mortgage in the future if this happens? (Good
news is that even the Senate wasn't stupid enough to go along with this and
defeated it today 51-45 -- but that 45 is scary).

The right to make whatever your employer thinks you are worth. Right now,
it's bank CEO's and employees. The administration has said that it also
wants to impose the same kinds of rules on companies that have not taken
federal money. Once they decide this for corporate officers, what's to
stop them from deciding what *you* are supposed to be making?

The administration has made no bones about looking at ways to abridge the
second amendment and take away the right to keep and bear arms.

If you are concerned about loss of privacy in cell phone or internet
communications, I would think you would really be concerned about loss of
privacy with the proposed health care database in which the fed will have
all of your health care records in their files.

if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you
CC

So then you are extremely outraged by the recently released Department of
Homeland Security memos that identified people who actually support a
constructionist interpretation of the Constitution as potential extremists?
And the extremist lexicon they just released that identifies those who
support federalism as extremists but fails to mention Islamic
fundamentalists? You are sufficiently outraged to demand that Napolitano
resign?





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CC wrote:

What rights were taken away?


My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any
other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.

There is no "right to privacy" specifically listed in the Constitution. The
Supreme Court HAS found a right to privacy in the "penumbras and emanations"
of the 4th Amendment. Interestingly, this right to privacy extends only to
sexual acts in the three cases the court has ruled on:

* Contraction,
* Abortion, and
* Deviant homosexual behavior.



And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process
if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you

Correct. "Due process" applies only to criminals or those charged with
criminal offenses ("In all criminal proceedings..."

The folks at Gitmo are not criminals. They have committed no crimes and they
are not being charged with crimes. As such, they are not entitled to the
benefits that criminals get: lawyers, trials, indictments, witnesses, etc.

In a similar example, hundreds of thousands of German and Italian POWs were
incarcerated, on US soil, during WW2, many of whom were US citizens (usually
dual citizenship)! Not one got a trial, lawyer, indictment by a grand jury,
or anything else along those lines.

Not that the folks at Gitmo are POWs - they are "unlawful enemy combatants."
And you're right: the president has the unfettered ability, under his
Article II powers and the customary rules of war, to designate anyone, even
you, as an "unlawful enemy combatant." There is nothing the Congress or the
courts can do about it. When this exact question was presented, some years
ago, to a court, the judge said the only recourse was to replace the
president at the next election.

Remember this: People who make war on the US are not criminals and should
not be treated as such.

CC wrote:


"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.




He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



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Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC
What right did you lose? Let me count the rights I'm about to lose under the
Messiah.

The right to be an activist the first time in my life on April 15 and then
be marginalized not only by the Messiah and his Administration, the Drive
By Media, The Liberals, The Leader of Congress...

The right to work hard and earn every penny I deserve and then have to give
it to a Government that's out of control!!

The right to watch the culture I grew up with and love be smeared and
diminished by your Walk on Water Leader and his Party.

The right to watch Judges make decisions not based on the Constitution but
emotional liberal ideals.

The right to watch my children get strapped with outrageous debt!

The right to watch my right to bare arms disappear.

The right to watch the Chosen One travel to other countries and trash our
values and culture.

The right to be a Capitalist

I could think of 100 other rights I'm about to lose because of a rank
immature amateur renting the White House for 4 years. Lets hope its only 4
years.


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but you can't make them THINK"
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evodawg wrote:
CC wrote:

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
LRod wrote:
My nomination for Obama to place on the Supreme Court?

Hillary Clinton.

Just think of the permanent apoplexy that would throw Rush,
Sean, Bill O'R, Ann, and any of your conservative
acquaintances into.

Any old body can be SecState. Heck, get Madeline Albright
back. This is too good an opportunity to miss.

You heard it here first.


Let the sniping begin.



He should just go ahead and select someone from the leadership
of the Communist Party USA. He has all the votes he needs, why
bother with even the slightest pretense of caring for the
Constitution any longer...



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Tim Daneliuk
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Like Bush really cared about the Constitution while taking away our
rights
over the last 8 years
CC
What right did you lose? Let me count the rights I'm about to lose under the
Messiah.

The right to be an activist the first time in my life on April 15 and then
be marginalized not only by the Messiah and his Administration, the Drive
By Media, The Liberals, The Leader of Congress...

The right to work hard and earn every penny I deserve and then have to give
it to a Government that's out of control!!

The right to watch the culture I grew up with and love be smeared and
diminished by your Walk on Water Leader and his Party.

The right to watch Judges make decisions not based on the Constitution but
emotional liberal ideals.

The right to watch my children get strapped with outrageous debt!

The right to watch my right to bare arms disappear.

The right to watch the Chosen One travel to other countries and trash our
values and culture.

The right to be a Capitalist

I could think of 100 other rights I'm about to lose because of a rank
immature amateur renting the White House for 4 years. Lets hope its only 4
years.



Those aren't rights you are loosing, they are rights you are gaining.

evodawg wrote:
SNIP

The right to watch my right to bare arms disappear.

The *******! I knew he want to pillage my right to bear arms, but
now I have to wear long-sleeved shirts too!!!!


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