Every now and then I want to get pine to look to the even red-brown
color of old pine panelling such as:

http://cid-a20b784a55a12f99.skydrive...mage?uc=1&nl=1

I can usually get close with different combination of dyes, pigment
stains, glazes, etc, but was wondering if there was an easier way. I
can't believe that people putting up lots of panelling in the past did
much to it other than maybe wipe on one stain and a then add a
(relatively) clear topcoat. Was old panelling usually colored in some
way or is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

Thanks.

Charles

wrote:
....
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

Yes, in virtually every case. UV is prime culprit along w/ slow
oxidation and all else that happens w/ time.

--

...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. That
won't be from aging. Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. You will have to do the same
to match. The difficulty in matching those colors is that if it was
stained, the topcoat will pick up those colors into the finish if it
is an old solvent based finish - which it almost certainly is, if it
is in older house. Then as the finish gets older, it begins to amber
and it adds its own color in the mix as well.

On the other hand, if the picture you posted was really just yellowed
or ambered and my computer monitor doesn't color match, I agree with
dpb.
Pine in particular will amber and change color due to its high resin
content reacting to the finishes.

If you can imagine the resin in a pine board reacting that much over a
period of years, next time you pull some of that paneling down, cut
one of those knots and smell the board. I have cut that stuff that
was decades old and it still had a strong pine odor.

Robert

wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. That
won't be from aging. Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. You will have to do the same
to match.

For a minute there I was trying to figure out how you got stain on your
computer monitor...

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wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. ...

On the other hand, if the picture you posted was really just yellowed
or ambered and my computer monitor doesn't color match, I agree with
dpb.
....

Probably should have looked first, but w/ dialup it takes a long time to
load a lot of times...

I'll agree that particular room probably had a "red mahogany" or similar
stain applied initially; it's more reddish on my monitor as well than
just varnish/shellac/surface yellowing.

Then again, it looks like the photo was taken w/ flash and is somewhat
underexposed which can really tend to accentuate the reds.

But, (as you're well aware, of course ), to get _anything_ new to
match at all well will definitely take staining just as it takes
creative finishing to match any aged surface even it it had only a
varnish applied initially.

--

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:54:33 -0500, dpb wrote:

I'll agree that particular room probably had a "red mahogany" or similar
stain applied initially; it's more reddish on my monitor as well than
just varnish/shellac/surface yellowing.

Garnet shellac?

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wrote:

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. That
won't be from aging. Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. You will have to do the same
to match.

For a minute there I was trying to figure out how you got stain on your
computer monitor...


It's really coffee. Obviously Robert took a sip before loading a funny
message and missed the keyboard. Easy to do. :-)

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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:54:33 -0500, dpb wrote:

I'll agree that particular room probably had a "red mahogany" or similar
stain applied initially; it's more reddish on my monitor as well than
just varnish/shellac/surface yellowing.

Garnet shellac?

Possibly although I'd think for a room been more likely to have just
used varnish over a stain. Looking 60's-ish, be my guess from the
pitchur shown...

--

"Steve Turner" wrote in message
...
wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. That
won't be from aging. Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. You will have to do the same
to match.

For a minute there I was trying to figure out how you got stain on your
computer monitor...

I was wondering the exact same thing. But you know Robert. He will apply
finish to anything. Nothing is safe. Not even his computer monitor.

On Mar 14, 11:23*am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Steve Turner" wrote in message

... wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. *That
won't be from aging. *Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. *You will have to do the same
to match.

For a minute there I was trying to figure out how you got stain on your
computer monitor...

I was wondering the exact same thing. *But you know Robert. *He will apply
finish to anything. Nothing is safe. Not even his computer monitor.

OK... well there is a pretty healthy coat of coffee on the monitor and
keyboard after reading the Steve, Pucks, and your post.

It was kind of a cumulative effect. I started chuckling at the first
one, then it was a belly laugh by the time I go here.

All probably a little more true than I would like to think....

VBG!!

Robert

On Mar 14, 1:22*pm, dpb wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:54:33 -0500, dpb wrote:

I'll agree that particular room probably had a "red mahogany" or similar
stain applied initially; it's more reddish on my monitor as well than
just varnish/shellac/surface yellowing.

Garnet shellac?

Possibly although I'd think for a room been more likely to have just
used varnish over a stain. *Looking 60's-ish, be my guess from the
pitchur shown...

--

Looks like varnish and 20 years to me. No stain. Just a few coats of
spar varnish.

Three things are needed:

SYP pine paneling.
Coat with lacquer.
Wait a few years.

The instant variety is going to take
some stains.

wrote:
Every now and then I want to get pine to look to the even red-brown
color of old pine panelling such as:

http://cid-a20b784a55a12f99.skydrive...mage?uc=1&nl=1

I can usually get close with different combination of dyes, pigment
stains, glazes, etc, but was wondering if there was an easier way. I
can't believe that people putting up lots of panelling in the past did
much to it other than maybe wipe on one stain and a then add a
(relatively) clear topcoat. Was old panelling usually colored in some
way or is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

Thanks.

Charles

This is the beauty of Pine. That is exactly the color of old pine. It
might take 10 or more years but that is what Pine does left to it's
own devices a beautiful deep organish redish brown. Go look at some of
the old floors on the east coast. I've played with lot's of colors
over the years trying to get it to get there sooner. The closest I
have come out of the can is Ipswitch pine from Minwax. Not sure if
that is spelled correctly. Not perfect or as deep but heads it in the
right direction. Also colonial maple which is to orange but covered
over with ipswitch or puritan it is also headed towards the nice warm
color.

Yellowing (nitrocellulose) lacquer can help also.

On Mar 14, 8:05*am, "
wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. *That
won't be from aging. *Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. *You will have to do the same
to match. *The difficulty in matching those colors is that if it was
stained, the topcoat will pick up those colors into the finish if it
is an old solvent based finish - which it almost certainly is, if it
is in older house. *Then as the finish gets older, it begins to amber
and it adds its own color in the mix as well.

On the other hand, if the picture you posted was really just yellowed
or ambered and my computer monitor doesn't color match, I agree with
dpb.
Pine in particular will amber and change color due to its high resin
content reacting to the finishes.

If you can imagine the resin in a pine board reacting that much over a
period of years, next time you pull some of that paneling down, cut
one of those knots and smell the board. *I have cut that stuff that
was decades old and it still had a strong pine odor.

Robert

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:

This is the beauty of Pine. That is exactly the color of old pine. It
might take 10 or more years but that is what Pine does left to it's
own devices a beautiful deep organish redish brown. Go look at some of
the old floors on the east coast. I've played with lot's of colors
over the years trying to get it to get there sooner. The closest I
have come out of the can is Ipswitch pine from Minwax. Not sure if
that is spelled correctly. Not perfect or as deep but heads it in the
right direction. Also colonial maple which is to orange but covered
over with ipswitch or puritan it is also headed towards the nice warm
color.


....Zar makes an "Aged Varnish" stain (no.129) that saved the day for
me when working a pine kitchen...comes close to the old Watco
products.

cg


Yellowing (nitrocellulose) lacquer can help also.

On Mar 14, 8:05*am, "
wrote:
...is it just time affecting the wood and topcoat that achieves
the look?

On my computer screen, I am seeing an orange/red/brown color. *That
won't be from aging. *Someone stained it, or used a colored shellac,
depending on the contractor or the age. *You will have to do the same
to match. *The difficulty in matching those colors is that if it was
stained, the topcoat will pick up those colors into the finish if it
is an old solvent based finish - which it almost certainly is, if it
is in older house. *Then as the finish gets older, it begins to amber
and it adds its own color in the mix as well.

On the other hand, if the picture you posted was really just yellowed
or ambered and my computer monitor doesn't color match, I agree with
dpb.
Pine in particular will amber and change color due to its high resin
content reacting to the finishes.

If you can imagine the resin in a pine board reacting that much over a
period of years, next time you pull some of that paneling down, cut
one of those knots and smell the board. *I have cut that stuff that
was decades old and it still had a strong pine odor.

Robert

Try two coats of General Topcoat and one coat of General Candlelite Gel
Stain.
Add more Candlelite if you need it darker. Then finish with Topcoat - (but
not necessary).
Candlelite is much more 'red' than shown on their website.
http://www.generalfinishes.com/finis...es/oilbase.htm

This stuff has been a great help for me in matching colors on antiques.
Never used it on Pine though....

thanks for all the input.

Charles