The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look comfortable
to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her design
decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets done with
this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.

Lee,

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. *To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."



To be honest to her, perhaps she wanted to match the cabinets
to a color of the old wood that abounds in their rooms. I think
the cherry cabinets are in the ground floor apartment. They
are very dark but they seem to complement the
rest of the dark woodwork.

I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

MJM

On Mar 11, 1:06 pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look comfortable
to live in.

I wouldn't know because our affiliates have gone to their usual MO of
showing the first two or three episodes and then stopping for their
crap specials while they beg for money. It hasn't been on for I think
3 weeks and it's not scheduled for the next 2 weeks either. At some
point I in the future after having given up on it I will stumble upon
one of last episodes where their decorator is explaining how she
managed to make the current one even uglier than the previous.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

As long as the checks are good I'll stain the cherry whatever she
wants. I've got a quart of "deep ocean" that's been sitting around
for years she might like.


-Kevin

Lee Michaels wrote:
The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look comfortable
to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her design
decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets done with
this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.




I quit watching years ago when the kitchen appliances started costing
more than my first house. I can't say if they have gone back to their
more reasonable roots, but the show was definitely suffering from
mission creep. All I can think is that the contractors were bored by
trying to save money all the time and wanted a chance to do jobs with
bottomless funding.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look
comfortable to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view
of all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her
design decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets
done with this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.




The kitchen cabinets are Green, Sea Foam green it appears.

Leon wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look
comfortable to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view
of all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her
design decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets
done with this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.




The kitchen cabinets are Green, Sea Foam green it appears.


As I remember there was a house they did several years ago, where the
owner had to declare bankruptcy because he could not afford the taxes on
all of the expensive equipment they installed.

Does any one remember the outcome that situation?

Keith:


Does any one remember the outcome that situation?

I looked for that "case" for awhile but found nothing. Are you
sure it was "TOH"? It could have been Extreme Makeover".

There was a house done by EM in our area and the
couple had a problem in the property tax reassesment.
I think they were able to figure it all out, tho.

The reason TOH does the high-end remodeling, is that
they want to show as much as they can the "state of the art"
in fixtures, etc. Obiviously, it is no longer affordable
remodeling. Tho they do something more moderately
at times, like last year in New Orleans.

MJM

MJWallace wrote:
....
There was a house done by EM in our area and the
couple had a problem in the property tax reassesment.
I think they were able to figure it all out, tho.
....
There was one in the Atlanta area the idjuts took out equity LOC for the
entire amount at about the peak evaluation point and then declared
bankruptcy...

--

MJWallace writes:
Lee,

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view =
of
all things that go in this house. =A0To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

It is not a "sin". It is a choice. A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott

Scott Lurndal wrote:
I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

It is not a "sin". It is a choice. A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott


Not a sin, but stupid, maybe? Why pay for cherry, if you're going to
paint it?
Who can tell if it's cherry, maple, teak or poplar under a good paint job?

It's kind of like zinc plating a diamond.


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On 2009-03-11, scritch wrote:

I quit watching years ago when the kitchen appliances started costing
more than my first house. I can't say if they have gone back to their
more reasonable roots, but the show was definitely suffering from
mission creep. All I can think is that the contractors were bored by
trying to save money all the time and wanted a chance to do jobs with
bottomless funding.

Pretty much how I saw this show's evolution. What started as a DIY program
quickly became a pie-in-the-sky contractor's wet-dream.

"Today, we build a pre-stressed concrete walled NASA control bunker in the
basement of this simulated chrome-moly log cabin on the majestic unspoiled
shoreline adjacent to Marina Del Ray, CA. BTW, the owners are 3 oceans away
entertaining the czar of Russia on their 80 million dollar yacht and haven't
a clue what a 16 box nail is. Now, here's a word from our non-commercial
PBS supporter."

nb

Scott:

It is not a "sin". * It is a choice. *A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Perhaps, "shame" is a better word? The wife puts a table cloth on
a cherry table we bought in Amish country about 2 years ago. I never
see the beautiful wood at all. I just saw an exhibit of Shaker
furniture
and I like the patina that furniture takes as it gets used.

As someone else noted, if you're building in cherry and staining it,
why
not poplar or maple, etc.

Bottom line, it's their money as I told them. If they like it, who am
I
say otherwise. I just think they might want to reconsider.
MJM

Bottom line, it's their money

Amidst all the "noise", that is the only part that matters. They paid for a
job to be done a certain way so that's what they ought to get. If you don't
want to accept the job, someone else will. It doesn't matter how anyone
else thinks it should (or should not) be done.

Ed

-MIKE- wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

It is not a "sin". It is a choice. A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott


Not a sin, but stupid, maybe? Why pay for cherry, if you're going to
paint it?
Who can tell if it's cherry, maple, teak or poplar under a good paint job?

It's kind of like zinc plating a diamond.

That's ridiculous; zinc isn't going to stick to a diamond! (sheesh)

Yeah I tell ya, every time I refer back to these pictures of the cherry
rocking chair I made for my little brother:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboye...7603969234306/

I kick myself for not using stain! That way he wouldn't have had to
wait the extra year for it turn three shades darker than what shows up
in the photos... He practically wore out the underside of the rockers
waiting for it to happen! I'm such a selfish *******.

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"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...

Bottom line, it's their money

Amidst all the "noise", that is the only part that matters. They paid for
a job to be done a certain way so that's what they ought to get. If you
don't want to accept the job, someone else will. It doesn't matter how
anyone else thinks it should (or should not) be done.

That may be so. But on this particular job, they are making a big deal out
of saving money. Recycling od doors, reusing anything from the old house
they can.

It doesn't make sense to pay MORE for cherry to stain it. As was pointed out
by others, there are a lot of other woods that can be stained that cost far
less. For somebody who is supposedly economizing, she screwed up big time
on the cherry cabinets.

On Mar 11, 6:29*pm, Steve Turner wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

It is not a "sin". * It is a choice. *A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott

Not a sin, but stupid, maybe? * Why pay for cherry, if you're going to
paint it?
Who can tell if it's cherry, maple, teak or poplar under a good paint job?

It's kind of like zinc plating a diamond.

That's ridiculous; zinc isn't going to stick to a diamond! (sheesh)

Yeah I tell ya, every time I refer back to these pictures of the cherry
rocking chair I made for my little brother:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboye...l/in/set-72157...

I kick myself for not using stain! *That way he wouldn't have had to
wait the extra year for it turn three shades darker than what shows up
in the photos... *He practically wore out the underside of the rockers
waiting for it to happen! *I'm such a selfish *******.

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Whaowsers, Stevo. That is one fine looking chair you made there. Holy
cow. Think you know a guy and then he pulls rank on ya with a piece of
work like that.
NICE!

On Mar 11, 6:55*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:29*pm, Steve Turner wrote:



-MIKE- wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
I have some friends who are doing a remodel. Their cabinet
maker is also "staining" cherry. I've told what a sin that is.
They don't seem to care about that at all. They are going
for a "look".

It is not a "sin". * It is a choice. *A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott

Not a sin, but stupid, maybe? * Why pay for cherry, if you're going to
paint it?
Who can tell if it's cherry, maple, teak or poplar under a good paint job?

It's kind of like zinc plating a diamond.

That's ridiculous; zinc isn't going to stick to a diamond! (sheesh)

Yeah I tell ya, every time I refer back to these pictures of the cherry
rocking chair I made for my little brother:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboye...l/in/set-72157...

I kick myself for not using stain! *That way he wouldn't have had to
wait the extra year for it turn three shades darker than what shows up
in the photos... *He practically wore out the underside of the rockers
waiting for it to happen! *I'm such a selfish *******.

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Whaowsers, Stevo. That is one fine looking chair you made there. Holy
cow. Think you know a guy and then he pulls rank on ya with a piece of
work like that.
NICE!

.....and I forgot to mention that there is a fine example of why cherry
is my non-plus-ultra favourite wood. There are more exotic species,
some birds eye maple can be breath taking, but only cherry does what
it does and that picture of your chair shows it as clearly as anything
else I have seen.

"Lee Michaels" wrote

The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look
comfortable to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view
of all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her
design decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets
done with this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.

Topical, because it appears I'm most likely faced with a similar situation
as we speak.

AAMOF, just this morning I identified the *wood* in an e-mailed picture of
"this is the color (stain) I would like for my kitchen" as nothing other
than cherry, but stained, even to someone as colorblind as I am, to
something that does not resemble cherry.

(What did you think, Leon?)

Besides, I think the budget is getting a bit tight for cherry, which may be
good because she seems more interested in color than the type of wood.
However, and although I've seen a very nice kitchen made with birch plywood,
stained with a "cherry stain", the face frames didn't quite stain the same,
even to my color challenged eye (and she wants hardwood "batten"
doors/drawer fronts on top of that!)

.... translation: a *lot* of cherry may be stained whether I like it or not,
and the thought of using two different types of woods makes her much desired
"final look" a toss up, IME.

Life definitely used to be simpler ...

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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...

Bottom line, it's their money

Amidst all the "noise", that is the only part that matters. They paid
for a job to be done a certain way so that's what they ought to get. If
you don't want to accept the job, someone else will. It doesn't matter
how anyone else thinks it should (or should not) be done.

That may be so. But on this particular job, they are making a big deal
out of saving money. Recycling od doors, reusing anything from the old
house they can.

It doesn't make sense to pay MORE for cherry to stain it. As was pointed
out by others, there are a lot of other woods that can be stained that
cost far less. For somebody who is supposedly economizing, she screwed up
big time on the cherry cabinets.


Again, it's *her* economy so it's *her* choice. Apparently the cherry
didn't look like she wanted and she is the one who's got to live with it.
To her it made sense. End of story.

On jobs I've had, I've tried to explain "false economy" and how doing such
and such will save a few dollars. Sometimes the customer goes for it,
sometimes not. I don't ever remember turning down a job because I thought
the work was stupid. (ps: note I did not say I never thought a job was
stupid)

Ed

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:06:20 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look comfortable
to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her design
decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets done with
this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.




For about my last ten years in business I did almost nothing but build
cabinets out of cherry.

What most of my customers thought of as "cherry" was the deep and dark
color of cherry that was at least more than five years old.

There were some that could be educated to the idea that it starts out
light and then darkens over time.

Most wanted that aged color immediately.

So, having a family to feed, I stained their cherry.

Here is the recipe for aged cherry using TransTint dyes in one gallon
of nitro lacquer finish:


2 tsp medium brown.
2 tsp red.
1 tsp blue.
1 tsp yellow.


This gives you a deep red color without much brown.

If you want more brown, do the obvious.









Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

I should have said that this was not so much a stain on the wood as a
color added to the finish.

There was a specific number of passes with the gun during the color
coat process to achieve the look.


Worked like a champ and allowed a more intelligent later owner to
erase the effect with lacquer thinner.

There was a barrier coat of shellac applied before the color coats.













On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:23:53 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:06:20 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

The current This Old House series is about renovating a brownstone in
Brooklyn, New York. The architecture and general New York approach is not
something I would be comfortable with. Those house do not look comfortable
to live in.

The wife of the couple who is doing this remodel has her own unique view of
all things that go in this house. To paraphrse her remarks concerning
kitchen cabinets, "I specified cherry for the cabinets. Because cherry
stains so nice. I could make them just the color I wanted."

Apparently cherry is not a pretty enough color for her. Most of her design
decisions follow along this kind of logic. Maybe when she gets done with
this project, she could hire herself out as a prison designer.




For about my last ten years in business I did almost nothing but build
cabinets out of cherry.

What most of my customers thought of as "cherry" was the deep and dark
color of cherry that was at least more than five years old.

There were some that could be educated to the idea that it starts out
light and then darkens over time.

Most wanted that aged color immediately.

So, having a family to feed, I stained their cherry.

Here is the recipe for aged cherry using TransTint dyes in one gallon
of nitro lacquer finish:


2 tsp medium brown.
2 tsp red.
1 tsp blue.
1 tsp yellow.


This gives you a deep red color without much brown.

If you want more brown, do the obvious.









Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Steve Turner wrote:
Yeah I tell ya, every time I refer back to these pictures of the cherry
rocking chair I made for my little brother:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboye...7603969234306/


Gorgeous work, as usual.


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"Swingman" wrote in message
...


Topical, because it appears I'm most likely faced with a similar situation
as we speak.

AAMOF, just this morning I identified the *wood* in an e-mailed picture of
"this is the color (stain) I would like for my kitchen" as nothing other
than cherry, but stained, even to someone as colorblind as I am, to
something that does not resemble cherry.

(What did you think, Leon?)



Besides, I think the budget is getting a bit tight for cherry, which may
be good because she seems more interested in color than the type of wood.
However, and although I've seen a very nice kitchen made with birch
plywood, stained with a "cherry stain", the face frames didn't quite stain
the same, even to my color challenged eye (and she wants hardwood "batten"
doors/drawer fronts on top of that!)

Looks like cherry. Keep in mind that most people that are not wood workers
consider a clear finish a "stain". I would build it out of cherry or stain
it cherry color and charge the same as cherry. I find that it often is the
same price to use the real thing and go with a natural finish.
I would also remind the customer that you will never perfectly match the
picture in color and even if you did it would fade in a few years anyway.

AND, you can use cherry on the face frames and doors, use a cheaper
plywood wood on the end panels and sections that will not show. If you
build the doors similar to the ones in the picture the wood cost should come
down considerably. A solid 2" door frame around a 1/4" cherry panel would
be much cheaper than a solid cherry door. Those doors in the picture are a
snap to build.

Bottom line, it's their money

As the old saying goes, "He who pays the band, calls the tune."

Lew

On Mar 11, 8:03*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Bottom line, it's their money

As the old saying goes, "He who pays the band, calls the tune."

Lew

AKA The Golden Rule.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote
Bottom line, it's their money

As the old saying goes, "He who pays the band, calls the tune."

Or, as any musician will attest: "If you wanted rock n' roll, what the hell
did you hire a string quartet for?


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Swingman wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
Bottom line, it's their money
As the old saying goes, "He who pays the band, calls the tune."

Or, as any musician will attest: "If you wanted rock n' roll, what the hell
did you hire a string quartet for?


That's the second question, behind, "Where's catering?"


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Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:55 pm, Robatoy wrote:
Whaowsers, Stevo. That is one fine looking chair you made there. Holy
cow. Think you know a guy and then he pulls rank on ya with a piece of
work like that.
NICE!

....and I forgot to mention that there is a fine example of why cherry
is my non-plus-ultra favourite wood. There are more exotic species,
some birds eye maple can be breath taking, but only cherry does what
it does and that picture of your chair shows it as clearly as anything
else I have seen.

Thankie for the kind words! I'm not usually one to toot my own horn,
but if showing off those photos can save one piece of cherry from the
stain zombies then I'll be happy.

PUT DOWN THE STAIN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE CHERRY! :-)

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Scott Lurndal wrote:

It is not a "sin". It is a choice. A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott

I thought bizarre choices by home owners was supposed to be part of every
TOH series. My favorite was the guy who wanted to re-use his kitchen
cabinets to save money, and then chose a staircase made of enormous slabs of
teak suspended on a seriously custom steel framework, not to mention
sheathing half the house in stone and including a bridge over a giant water
feature out front. Yeah, avoiding the expense of new plywood boxes in the
kitchen showed what a shrew penny-pincher he was....

scritch wrote:

I quit watching years ago when the kitchen appliances started costing
more than my first house. I can't say if they have gone back to their
more reasonable roots, but the show was definitely suffering from
mission creep. All I can think is that the contractors were bored by
trying to save money all the time and wanted a chance to do jobs with
bottomless funding.

They eventually got the message about the "This Old Mansion" jobs, so now
they alternate those with more modest rebuilds. So long as I learn
something about how to do X, Y or Z in every series I don't care how
overblown the house is.

In article
,
MJWallace wrote:

Keith:


Does any one remember the outcome that situation?

I looked for that "case" for awhile but found nothing. Are you
sure it was "TOH"? It could have been Extreme Makeover".

There was a house done by EM in our area and the
couple had a problem in the property tax reassesment.
I think they were able to figure it all out, tho.

The reason TOH does the high-end remodeling, is that
they want to show as much as they can the "state of the art"
in fixtures, etc. Obiviously, it is no longer affordable
remodeling. Tho they do something more moderately
at times, like last year in New Orleans.

MJM

There have actually been several that couldn't afford their houses
(after EM finished)

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DGDevin wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:

It is not a "sin". It is a choice. A perfectly viable choice.

It's their cherry, they can do what they want with it, including
painting it.

Just because neither you nor I would, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

scott

I thought bizarre choices by home owners was supposed to be part of every
TOH series. My favorite was the guy who wanted to re-use his kitchen
cabinets to save money, and then chose a staircase made of enormous slabs of
teak suspended on a seriously custom steel framework, not to mention
sheathing half the house in stone and including a bridge over a giant water
feature out front. Yeah, avoiding the expense of new plywood boxes in the
kitchen showed what a shrew penny-pincher he was....



I think that was George. My wife didn't like him. TOH got even with him
on this one. They had a roof leak during a rain storm and ruined the
cabinets.

Dave

David G. Nagel wrote:

I thought bizarre choices by home owners was supposed to be part of
every TOH series. My favorite was the guy who wanted to re-use his
kitchen cabinets to save money, and then chose a staircase made of
enormous slabs of teak suspended on a seriously custom steel
framework, not to mention sheathing half the house in stone and
including a bridge over a giant water feature out front. Yeah,
avoiding the expense of new plywood boxes in the kitchen showed what
a shrew penny-pincher he was....

I think that was George. My wife didn't like him. TOH got even with
him on this one. They had a roof leak during a rain storm and ruined
the cabinets.

Dave

Right, which the show then had to replace at their expense. That house was
an exercise in extravagance, I find myself hoping the owner invested most of
his money with Bernie Madoff.

On Mar 11, 5:41*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2009-03-11, scritch wrote:

I quit watching years ago when the kitchen appliances started costing
more than my first house. *I can't say if they have gone back to their
more reasonable roots, but the show was definitely suffering from
mission creep. *All I can think is that the contractors were bored by
trying to save money all the time and wanted a chance to do jobs with
bottomless funding.

Pretty much how I saw this show's evolution. *What started as a DIY program
quickly became a pie-in-the-sky contractor's wet-dream. *

"Today, we build a pre-stressed concrete walled NASA control bunker in the
basement of this simulated chrome-moly log cabin on the majestic unspoiled
shoreline adjacent to Marina Del Ray, CA. *BTW, the owners are 3 oceans away
entertaining the czar of Russia on their 80 million dollar yacht and haven't
a clue what a 16 box nail is. *Now, here's a word from our non-commercial
PBS supporter."


That pretty much sums up the show - unfortunately.

Bottom line, it's their money

Amidst all the "noise", that is the only part that matters. They paid
for a job to be done a certain way so that's what they ought to get.
If you don't want to accept the job, someone else will. It doesn't
matter how anyone else thinks it should (or should not) be done.

Of course it doesn't matter, but, if someone wants to zinc coat a
diamond because they like the color of zinc, I still have an opinion of
not just what I think of their color choice, but a rather strong opinion
of doing it to an expensive rare diamond...

Personally, the only interest I have in diamonds is how long they last
in my hole saw... cherry on the other hand...

still, you're right, it sure matters not a wit.


I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone is this thread said they'd
turn down the job.
Even Michaelangelo did his fair share of "Sears portrait studio" paintings.


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:03:51 -0500, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:

DGDevin wrote:

I thought bizarre choices by home owners was supposed to be part of every
TOH series. My favorite was the guy who wanted to re-use his kitchen
cabinets to save money, and then chose a staircase made of enormous slabs of
teak suspended on a seriously custom steel framework, not to mention
sheathing half the house in stone and including a bridge over a giant water
feature out front. Yeah, avoiding the expense of new plywood boxes in the
kitchen showed what a shrew penny-pincher he was....

I think that was George.

Mabry, according to my spreadsheet, in Cambridge. In my notes I
recorded my impression that they seemed to go the extra mile to
obfuscate the location, unlike many of the other projects in which you
can catch a house number or pick up other clues during the course to
be able to get the actual street address. There were absolutely none
in my recollection. Still found it, though.

I'm no contractor, but I felt from the first two or three episodes
that the budget must have approached seven figures--maybe even more
than Manchester (hard as that is to believe--they built a whole new
wing, there). It's one of the TOH projects which I never bother to
watch reruns.

My wife didn't like him.

Funny you say that. I had the same feeling. Not so much "dislike" as
not finding anything to like. He was as dull as an old chisel.

The only thing I don't remember seeing was a cat. That would have
completed the stereotype perfectly.

TOH got even with him on this one. They had a roof leak during a
rain storm and ruined the cabinets.

As someone already pointed out, TOH wound up eating the cabinets. And
rightly so--as I recall, it was an issue of not sufficiently tenting
the unfinished roof coupled with a 100 year rainfall.



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Ed Edelenbos wrote:

Bottom line, it's their money

Amidst all the "noise", that is the only part that matters. They paid
for a job to be done a certain way so that's what they ought to get. If
you don't want to accept the job, someone else will. It doesn't matter
how anyone else thinks it should (or should not) be done.

Of course it doesn't matter, but, if someone wants to zinc coat a
diamond because they like the color of zinc, I still have an opinion of
not just what I think of their color choice, but a rather strong opinion
of doing it to an expensive rare diamond...

Personally, the only interest I have in diamonds is how long they last
in my hole saw... cherry on the other hand...

still, you're right, it sure matters not a wit.

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Steve Turner wrote:

Yeah I tell ya, every time I refer back to these pictures of the cherry
rocking chair I made for my little brother:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboye...7603969234306/

I kick myself for not using stain! That way he wouldn't have had to
wait the extra year for it turn three shades darker than what shows up
in the photos... He practically wore out the underside of the rockers
waiting for it to happen! I'm such a selfish *******.

Damn you do nice work...

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LRod wrote:

I'm no contractor, but I felt from the first two or three episodes
that the budget must have approached seven figures--maybe even more
than Manchester (hard as that is to believe--they built a whole new
wing, there). It's one of the TOH projects which I never bother to
watch reruns.

It had to have been one of the most expensive they ever did, and it
underscored how far the show had wandered from what it was originally
supposed to be.

My wife didn't like him.

Funny you say that. I had the same feeling. Not so much "dislike" as
not finding anything to like. He was as dull as an old chisel.

My wife and I both had the reaction that the house wasn't a place for him to
live, it was meant to substitute for the life he didn't have. Perhaps we're
wrong and actually the house has been filled with family and friends ever
since, but somehow I can still see that guy wandering from room to room
admiring the place all by himself.

"DGDevin" wrote:

My favorite was the guy who wanted to re-use his kitchen cabinets to
save money, and then chose a staircase made of enormous slabs of teak
suspended on a seriously custom steel framework, not to mention sheathing
half the house in stone and including a bridge over a giant water feature
out front. Yeah, avoiding the expense of new plywood boxes in the kitchen
showed what a shrew penny-pincher he was....

Saving money does not necessarily mean penny pinching, it can also
mean spending less in one category so you can spend more in another
and still come in under your total budget.

D.
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