| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to
me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
I have just built a new home with a large basement where I have my shop. I
had an alarm system installed and have magnetic detectors on my basement windows in addition to an alarm on my sump pump. I also have a motion detector upstairs in addition to the doors and windows covered and a radio control unit incase the power goes out. The system cost $1800 installed and a $22.50 monitoring fee per month. "Upscale" wrote in message e.rogers.com... Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
My shop is 1/3 of the 3 car garage. I have a full monitored alarm
system for the garage. it is part of the system that protects the house but is on a separate "domain", that allows me to arm or disarm it separately from the house. Front door to the shop, rear door to the garage and the sliding door between the garage and shop have contact switches, there is a motion detector in the shop to cover window entry. Alarm company was ADT but is now CPI. Also have heat detector in the shop (dust affects smoke detectors), smoke detector in the garage and in the 2nd floor craft room. these are all part of the same system and monitored. I sleep better at night and I don't worry about the shop when I am away. In 9 years we have had 2 false alarms and the police response time was under 8 minutes both times. BRuce Upscale wrote: Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. -- --- BRuce |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Upscale asks:
How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
In VA can you shoot them if they are not moving towards you?
BRuce Charlie Self wrote: Upscale asks: How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html -- --- BRuce |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Upscale asks:
How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. \ / \ / |-------------#--| | | | FRONT | | | |----------------| / \ / \ Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
BRuce responds:
In VA can you shoot them if they are not moving towards you? BRuce Charlie Self wrote: Upscale asks: How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Probably not. But if you yell at a guy and he turns towards you, how is anyone going to know he wasn't coming for you? In truth, break-in type theft around occupied homes is a tiny problem in that area, though the shurf would have us think otherwise when he's up for re-election or when budget time dawns. Lots of dumbasses breaking into stores, stealing butts, beer and bucks and getting caught the next day, though. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
understood, works about the same way here in NC. We did have a big case
a few years ago where a guy found a group of teens stealing stuff from his garage and shot one of them in the back. Case went to court and he was found guilty because they did not pose a threat to him but judge gave him a suspended sentence due to circumstances. I wouldn't want the aggravation of a court appearance so i would probably wait for them to com back for "seconds" and shoot them on the way in. :-) BRuce Charlie Self wrote: BRuce responds: In VA can you shoot them if they are not moving towards you? BRuce Charlie Self wrote: Upscale asks: How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Probably not. But if you yell at a guy and he turns towards you, how is anyone going to know he wasn't coming for you? In truth, break-in type theft around occupied homes is a tiny problem in that area, though the shurf would have us think otherwise when he's up for re-election or when budget time dawns. Lots of dumbasses breaking into stores, stealing butts, beer and bucks and getting caught the next day, though. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html -- --- BRuce |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Shop is set up with motion detectors, that set lights, horn and video. I'm
in a rural setting where response time, might be hours. Smile.....for the camera....and hope the fuzz find you, before I do..... Cheers, Andy |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
"Upscale" wrote in message
Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. While this house was being built, I had the shop wide open out of necessity almost every day while working on cabinets, with all manner of characters on the building crews constantly walking by the shop and dog eying my tools. The "professional installation" quote from a local alarm company that was supposed to allow me to sleep at night was $1800+ for just two points of entry. Long story short, bought the parts and installed the system myself for around $350. I got a siren for the thing that would deafen a dead man .... and I made damn sure it went off 'accidentally a couple of times whenever a new crew showed up on site. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 1/23/04 |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
I USE BENCH DOGS!!!!
|
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:41:17 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:
entry. Long story short, bought the parts and installed the system myself for around $350. So did I. Another point, monitoring is completely negotiable! I have a major company that tries to raise my fee every quarter. I call them and tell them to close the account. Bingo! Back down to $17 a month again! My neighbors are paying $28 to the same company. Remember, monitoring an alarm costs almost nothing, my $17 is better than zero, or at least _they_ think so! G Barry |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
I'm watching this thread with interest because I am just about to move from
relatively safe VA (unless charlie's shootin at ya) to San Antonio where bars on the window are the norm. Montyhp "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... BRuce responds: In VA can you shoot them if they are not moving towards you? BRuce Charlie Self wrote: Upscale asks: How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Probably not. But if you yell at a guy and he turns towards you, how is anyone going to know he wasn't coming for you? In truth, break-in type theft around occupied homes is a tiny problem in that area, though the shurf would have us think otherwise when he's up for re-election or when budget time dawns. Lots of dumbasses breaking into stores, stealing butts, beer and bucks and getting caught the next day, though. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
"Ace" wrote in message ....I had an alarm system installed and have magnetic detectors on my basement windows in addition to an alarm on my sump pump.
This is obviously for protection against intruders coming in through the drain tile or storm sewer laterals. Joe |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Barry Burke writes:
I have a major company that tries to raise my fee every quarter. I call them and tell them to close the account. Bingo! Back down to $17 a month again! My neighbors are paying $28 to the same company. Remember, monitoring an alarm costs almost nothing, my $17 is better than zero, or at least _they_ think so! G Sounds like AT&T when I cancelled my cell phone account. They wouldn't give me what I wanted as a roaming area, so I dropped it. After I dropped it, they offered what I wanted, but by that time I realized I had just gotten rid of one more electronic PITA that I had no real need for. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Big Joe writes:
Ace" wrote in message ....I had an alarm system installed and have magnetic detectors on my basement windows in addition to an alarm on my sump pump. This is obviously for protection against intruders coming in through the drain tile or storm sewer laterals. Don't kid yourself. A basement full of water is less fun than a swimming pool. And a problem with a sump pump can create great expense. We had a basement fire started by a fault sump pump this summer. I think the insurance company's total payout had to reach at least $40,000 for cleaning, repair, replacement. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
|
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
FWIW, Harbor Freight has mini security cameras on sale for $29.
Upscale wrote: Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Might look for game cameras on the web. They are digital cameras of
varying cost hooked up to a motion sensor. If tucked away in a shop, they probably wouldn't be noticed. You might loose your stuff but you would have nice high res. photos of the bad guys. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
A corollary to monitoring for theft is the potential for fire. My shop is
in walled off section of a finished basement so, to me, fire is more of a concern then theft. I understand that fire/smoke monitors work my measuring the opacity of the air. I would expect these alarms would go off all the time because of the saw dust floating in the air. Do they have special monitors that can deal with the saw dust laden air? "Upscale" wrote in message e.rogers.com... Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Relatively safe? That's what I thought. All of a sudden the little thugs are
breaking into houses and cars like crazy here in my little rural slice of VA. Talked to a trooper the other day and he said "Well around here, if we, or the County police don't get them soon, well be picking them up just inside someone's door and putting them in a body bag." "Montyhp" montyhp at yahoo.com wrote in message ... I'm watching this thread with interest because I am just about to move from relatively safe VA (unless charlie's shootin at ya) to San Antonio where bars on the window are the norm. Montyhp "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... BRuce responds: In VA can you shoot them if they are not moving towards you? BRuce Charlie Self wrote: Upscale asks: How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. Small dog in the house, shop 75' from bedroom window, #6 shot. Probably not. But if you yell at a guy and he turns towards you, how is anyone going to know he wasn't coming for you? In truth, break-in type theft around occupied homes is a tiny problem in that area, though the shurf would have us think otherwise when he's up for re-election or when budget time dawns. Lots of dumbasses breaking into stores, stealing butts, beer and bucks and getting caught the next day, though. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Barry Burke responds:
Sounds like AT&T when I cancelled my cell phone account. They wouldn't give me what I wanted as a roaming area, so I dropped it. After I dropped it, they offered what I wanted, but by that time I realized I had just gotten rid of one more electronic PITA that I had no real need for. Keep in mind that cellular and landline phone companies, CATV, etc... have definite costs associated with each subscriber, like feature licenses, programming fees, cable, transmission, and switching equipment maintenance, contracts with out of area providers, all depending on the individual business. Not my problem, though. They refused to change the area to one I needed--I could roam throughout the PA, NY, OH, NE area, but before I got out of WV going south it was 2 bucks a minute. Damned near everyone I'd want to call on a mobile phone is in VA and south so I wanted to swap areas. No deal, according to AT&T. I did not want to add areas, or even get extra area. Their costs were the same after I dropped the account as before, so there's not exactly a lot of problem that I can see with changing it before they ****ed me off. They didn't. Now they don't get my $39.95 a month, period. Nor does anyone else, of course, but what the hell. Charlie Self "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." Satchel Paige http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
I have a motion detector that is tied to the system installed in the
house... the shop is a 30'X36' building set back from the rear of the house. Both installed at time of building. Tom "Upscale" wrote in message e.rogers.com... Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Blue wrote:
Relatively safe? That's what I thought. All of a sudden the little thugs are breaking into houses and cars like crazy here in my little rural slice of VA. Talked to a trooper the other day and he said "Well around here, if we, or the County police don't get them soon, well be picking them up just inside someone's door and putting them in a body bag." At least it keeps down the number of repeat offenders. Last time I cocked my Colt in somebody's ear they dropped a load. Made them clean it up before I turned them over to the police. Better than cleaning them off the ceiling. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:32:03 GMT, "Jim Giblin"
wrote: A corollary to monitoring for theft is the potential for fire. This is the primary reason I have a system. By the time neighbors notice smoke, it might be too late. I have standard smoke and heat detectors, which I blow out with canned air on a regular basis. I've found that my detectors usually falsely trigger when dirty, others may not. On occasion, I'll test the smoke heads with the canned stuff sold in hardware stores and see how long the monitoring company's response takes. Barry |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
In article 1075236547.924306@sj-nntpcache-3,
BRuce wrote: understood, works about the same way here in NC. We did have a big case a few years ago where a guy found a group of teens stealing stuff from his garage and shot one of them in the back. Case went to court and he was found guilty because they did not pose a threat to him but judge gave him a suspended sentence due to circumstances. I wouldn't want the aggravation of a court appearance so i would probably wait for them to com back for "seconds" and shoot them on the way in. :-) *MOST* states have a "fleeing felon" statute, which makes any party who commits a felony 'fair game' AS THEY ARE LEAVING THE SCENE. Simple 'trespassing' is almost always a misdemeanor. as is "Simple B&E". "Larceny in the Night Time" is a different story. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:38:26 +0000,
(Robert Bonomi) wrote: |In article 1075236547.924306@sj-nntpcache-3, |BRuce wrote: |understood, works about the same way here in NC. We did have a big case |a few years ago where a guy found a group of teens stealing stuff from |his garage and shot one of them in the back. Case went to court and he |was found guilty because they did not pose a threat to him but judge |gave him a suspended sentence due to circumstances. I wouldn't want the |aggravation of a court appearance so i would probably wait for them to |com back for "seconds" and shoot them on the way in. :-) | | |*MOST* states have a "fleeing felon" statute, which makes any party who |commits a felony 'fair game' AS THEY ARE LEAVING THE SCENE. Don't try that in Arizona. In fact defense of *property* using deadly force is seldom justified. In the case of arson maybe, otherwise I don't think so. See: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/Arizona...s.asp?Title=13 Also, the law is not what the legislature says it is, it is what the *judge* says it is. For example ARS 13-413 says that you can't be sued for acting lawfully while using force against another. Yet lawsuits are routinely brought by perps and their families and the judges gleefully permit them. Another example: ARS 13-3102 (F) specifically says that a weapon can be carried concealed in a means of transportation in a holster, scabbard or case designed to carry the weapon. Yet people are routinely charged and convicted for doing just that. My concealed carry instructor (retired sheriff's weapons training officer) told us that even though I have a permit, if my weapon is in the glove compartment and I have a passenger who doesn't have a permit, they "have immediate access" and can be charged. So my usual passenger SWMBO has her permit too. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
charlie penned...Don't kid yourself. A basement full of water is less
fun than a swimming pool. I figured that's what he meant. I have looked at these in the past, in connection with a shutoff switch for my water softenener, as it empties into the sump. If my sump pump fails, my basement would flood with salt water. Not good. Joe |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:26:17 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote: Also, the law is not what the legislature says it is, it is what the *judge* says it is. For example ARS 13-413 says that you can't be sued for acting lawfully while using force against another. Yet lawsuits are routinely brought by perps and their families and the judges gleefully permit them. I've never heard of my local DA prosecuting anyone for using force against a home invader. IMHO, you break in to someone's home, you take your chances. Nothing would've happened if the perp hadn't chosen to commit a crime. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
|
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Big Joe responds:
charlie penned...Don't kid yourself. A basement full of water is less fun than a swimming pool. I figured that's what he meant. I have looked at these in the past, in connection with a shutoff switch for my water softenener, as it empties into the sump. If my sump pump fails, my basement would flood with salt water. Not good. For a fact. That might even be worse than the sloshing mess in my basement after the fire. Good fortune in one respect: one piece of CPVC in the entire copper and cast iron system, and it was not to far from where the fire started. It eventually melted and put the fire mostly out before the fire department was even called. But, jeez, whadda mess! Charlie Self "To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Everett Greene responds:
Is it any wonder their stock has dropped like a rock since the IPO? [See the article in this week's Newsweek.] In my case, they stiffed me for $50 of unused time. I'd refreshed my account via their Web site the day my account was to expire and they said all was copacetic. The next day I couldn't use the phone. I found that the fine print in the contract says that one's account expires at midnight the day /before/ the "expiration date" and the Web site had blithely taken my renewal and pitched it into the dirty bit bucket. When I suggested that they could be a bit lenient, I was told, in effect, tough cookies. Yeah, well basically that's the answer I got when I wanted to roam south instead of north. Not both. Just a different one. Couldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. So I cancelled and a week or so later, get a note saying they'd be glad to make that arrangement. By now, of course, damned near everyone was beginning to offer 'no roaming charges' for huge areas, so it would have been simple to pick up another company, but...I found I didn't miss the cell phone, which I used to forget and leave home some 80% of the time anyway. Why pay $40 a month for something that gets used less than an hour a week? I received a (form) letter awhile back from them asking if I would be interested in becoming a customer again. I fired off a missive suggesting that if they treated their existing customers better, they wouldn't have so many ex-customers. That's the MBA model: hype until you pump the initial figures, then sit back do nothing unitl it collapses around your ears, at which time you wind up the hype machine again. Charlie Self "To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:25:20 GMT, "Upscale"
wrote: Just saw some pictures for a great new home workshop in abpw. It occurred to me that I haven't seen much discussion on people protecting their investments in regards to theft. How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? How many have actually implemented an alarm system? Of course some of this may depend on locale, but I'd be interested in hearing comments. I ahve a detached shop, 10 feet from house. I bought a cheap motion detector alarm that makes a loud local only alarm. The delay is set at 10 seconds. When I got it I had several of the local kids(potiential theives) into the shop and forgot to disable the alarm. I them asked them to wait, went inside , then walked out with the portable phone in hand. I pretended to be talking the the sheriff office to report a false alarm. I really sold the act to the kids. Have had no trouble since then. If a new kid comes to the neighborhood and comes to the house I make sure he sees the alarm. Preception is a key to security. |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
charlie wrote ... Good fortune in one respect: one piece of CPVC in
the entire copper and cast iron system, and it was not to far from where the fire started. It eventually melted and put the fire mostly out before the fire department was even called. I had a similar incident with my first car back in the early eighties. My "friend" got sick of waiting for me to say goodbye to a girlfriend, and decided to take my car for a joy ride through the leaf piles in the neighborhood. It was one of those fall days where everyone has raked their leaves into the street for the city to come by and suck up with one of those oversized shop-vacs. He discovered how fun it is to go bouncing off them at 30mph. Later as we were driving home, you guessed it, flames start shooting out from under the hood as I'm heading down the main drag. We start arguing over whether the fire would get worse if I pulled over or if I kept driving. It was a short argument and I pulled over into a parking lot, opened the hood, and woooffff, the fire indeed got worse. I ran to a nearby office building and got the janitor to bring out a bucket of water. When we got back to the car, the fire was out. It burned through the radiator hose and put itself out. A few weeks later as I was attempting to repair the damage in the engine compartment (what would be a lost cause), I inspected the fuel line to find it had nearly burned through. Made me wonder if the engineers designed the radiator hose to burn through quicker. Joe |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 3:46pm BRuce says:
understood, works about the same way here in NC. snip However (there is almost always a however), if you know they are armed, and are running away from you, and you feel the person is running to a protected area (behind a tree, etc.), where they will then shoot at you, that could be an exception. In some states this would not be a viable defense. In one state a woman was charged, when she shot (and I believe killed) an intruder, who had chased her to her basement. The claim was, she was "not cornered", and so not in imminent danger, that she had an escape route she could have taken rather than shoot the person - the basement window. I don't know the outcome of the case. Not sure of the state, but seems it was Mass. JOAT There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again.. - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002 Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT Web Page Update 28 Jan 2004. Some tunes I like. http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/ |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
Wed, Jan 28, 2004, 4:33am (EST+5) (Blue)
says: snip well be picking them up just inside someone's door and putting them in a body bag." I have to take my trash to the end of my drive. JOAT There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again.. - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002 Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT Web Page Update 28 Jan 2004. Some tunes I like. http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/ |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
JOAT responds:
However (there is almost always a however), if you know they are armed, and are running away from you, and you feel the person is running to a protected area (behind a tree, etc.), where they will then shoot at you, that could be an exception. In some states this would not be a viable defense. In one state a woman was charged, when she shot (and I believe killed) an intruder, who had chased her to her basement. The claim was, she was "not cornered", and so not in imminent danger, that she had an escape route she could have taken rather than shoot the person - the basement window. I don't know the outcome of the case. Not sure of the state, but seems it was Mass. Or NY. NY used to have, and probably still does, a "retreat until no retreat is possible" piece of bull**** in its laws. What makes more sense to me: in Roanoke, VA some years ago (5?), a guy followed a woman home, kicked down the door to her home and was entering. She shot and killed him. No charges filed. Charlie Self "To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
You realize of course, that I've been asking these alarm questions because
I'm scoping out areas for my next nocturnal visit. Now which of you guys has an outdoor shop with no steps and a door that's at least 27" wide? :) "T." wrote in message ... Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 4:25pm (EST+5) (Upscale) queries: snip How are you protecting your standalone shops (aside from your pit bull) from possible theft? snip No prob. The kid's dog barks. I provide the bite. If the first magazine won't do it, I've got more. JOAT There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again.. - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002 Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT Web Page Update 28 Jan 2004. Some tunes I like. http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/ |
Home Workshops and Alarm Systems
now that is the way it should work. "imminent danger" seems to be the
key word and if somebody kicks in your door I would hope that would be "imminent danger" enough. let's hope it doesn't happen to any of us, BRuce Charlie Self wrote: JOAT responds: However (there is almost always a however), if you know they are armed, and are running away from you, and you feel the person is running to a protected area (behind a tree, etc.), where they will then shoot at you, that could be an exception. In some states this would not be a viable defense. In one state a woman was charged, when she shot (and I believe killed) an intruder, who had chased her to her basement. The claim was, she was "not cornered", and so not in imminent danger, that she had an escape route she could have taken rather than shoot the person - the basement window. I don't know the outcome of the case. Not sure of the state, but seems it was Mass. Or NY. NY used to have, and probably still does, a "retreat until no retreat is possible" piece of bull**** in its laws. What makes more sense to me: in Roanoke, VA some years ago (5?), a guy followed a woman home, kicked down the door to her home and was entering. She shot and killed him. No charges filed. Charlie Self "To create man was a quaint and original idea, but to add the sheep was tautology." Mark Twain's Notebook http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html -- --- BRuce |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:22 AM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 DIYbanter