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Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some
furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC |
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"CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. |
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Leon wrote:
"CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. I agree with Leon that you can get by without a jointer. My delta has been sitting for three years now and have not had a need for one. If the tablesaw is in tune with a good blade, you can do without. A planer is a worthwhile investment. |
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"Norvin" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. I agree with Leon that you can get by without a jointer. My delta has been sitting for three years now and have not had a need for one. If the tablesaw is in tune with a good blade, you can do without. A planer is a worthwhile investment. LOL Maybe that's more of a comment on the Craftsman than on mechanized jointing? I have a 6" Jet and hold the opposite opinion. The boards stick together from the vacuum between their faces when they're stacked next to each other on edge. My hat's off to you and your skills if you can do that reliably without a jointer. On a fixed income, though, I'll concede the point. You don't need that level of precision for stuff that grows and shrinks with the seasons. Tell me more about your jigs. |
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"MikeWhy" wrote in message ... LOL Maybe that's more of a comment on the Craftsman than on mechanized jointing? Partly ;~) I have a 6" Jet and hold the opposite opinion. The boards stick together from the vacuum between their faces when they're stacked next to each other on edge. My hat's off to you and your skills if you can do that reliably without a jointer. I have never checked to see if the boards stick from the vvacuum however the joint pretty much disappears when the boards are slid up next to each other. Basically if you can rip a straight line on your TS you can straighten a board on your TS with a jig. Grain is typically the only indicator of where to look for the joint. On a fixed income, though, I'll concede the point. You don't need that level of precision for stuff that grows and shrinks with the seasons. Tell me more about your jigs. I use a piece of 3/4" x 14" x 8' long piece of plywood with a straight edge that runs along the rip fence of the TS. I clamp with two toggle clamps the board to be straightened with the crooked edge hanging off the opposite side of the plywood panel. The clamps hold the crooked board so that the crooked edge is cut off when the jig is run through the TS. This jig woks on the same principal as a taper jig for a TS except the board rides on top of the sled rather than beside the jig. I am using a cabinet saw with a Forrest WWII. I can actually straighten a board much faster than using a jointer with this jig. I only takes one pass to straighten any board up to 8' in length. Can you say that about most any common sized jointer? ;~) I also have a sled jig for my 15" stationary planer that will flatten boards up to 13" wide. This is impossible with most common sized jointers unless you rip the board in half and flatten the two resulting pieces. |
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"Leon" wrote in message
... "MikeWhy" wrote in message ... LOL Maybe that's more of a comment on the Craftsman than on mechanized jointing? Partly ;~) I have a 6" Jet and hold the opposite opinion. The boards stick together from the vacuum between their faces when they're stacked next to each other on edge. My hat's off to you and your skills if you can do that reliably without a jointer. I have never checked to see if the boards stick from the vvacuum however the joint pretty much disappears when the boards are slid up next to each other. Basically if you can rip a straight line on your TS you can straighten a board on your TS with a jig. Grain is typically the only indicator of where to look for the joint. On a fixed income, though, I'll concede the point. You don't need that level of precision for stuff that grows and shrinks with the seasons. Tell me more about your jigs. I use a piece of 3/4" x 14" x 8' long piece of plywood with a straight edge that runs along the rip fence of the TS. I clamp with two toggle clamps the board to be straightened with the crooked edge hanging off the opposite side of the plywood panel. The clamps hold the crooked board so that the crooked edge is cut off when the jig is run through the TS. This jig woks on the same principal as a taper jig for a TS except the board rides on top of the sled rather than beside the jig. I am using a cabinet saw with a Forrest WWII. I can actually straighten a board much faster than using a jointer with this jig. I only takes one pass to straighten any board up to 8' in length. Can you say that about most any common sized jointer? ;~) I also have a sled jig for my 15" stationary planer that will flatten boards up to 13" wide. This is impossible with most common sized jointers unless you rip the board in half and flatten the two resulting pieces. Yah. AOK on the rip part. Won't you need a bunch of shimming to plane the face on the sled? How does that work if not? |
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Leon wrote:
I use a piece of 3/4" x 14" x 8' long piece of plywood with a straight edge that runs along the rip fence of the TS. I clamp with two toggle clamps the board to be straightened with the crooked edge hanging off the opposite side of the plywood panel. The clamps hold the crooked board so that the crooked edge is cut off when the jig is run through the TS. This jig woks on the same principal as a taper jig for a TS except the board rides on top of the sled rather than beside the jig. I am using a cabinet saw with a Forrest WWII. I can actually straighten a board much faster than using a jointer with this jig. I only takes one pass to straighten any board up to 8' in length. Can you say that about most any common sized jointer? ;~) Interesting discussion. I've used jigs similar to what you've described and I agree that a wooddorker can do without a jointer, but I wouldn't *want* to, at least for the smaller jobs that don't test the limits of its capacities. I have the 6" Delta Pro and it's one of my favorite tools in the shop, though I do get jealous whenever I see a picture posted by David Eisan. :-) -- Free bad advice available here. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:10:04 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. Yeah, I'm right there with ya, Leon. I have an 8" Grizz that replaced an 8 " Delta and the sumbitch hardly gets used at all. I'm working in a production environment now and all the glue joints are done on a stright line ripsaw. The joints are perfect. Even before that I would hotmelt a fence onto something that I wanted to joint on the tablesaw, rather than use the jointer. I did my face prep on a lunchbox planer and took the high side down slow until it got level and then flipped it. It was a lot easier and wound up being more accurate. If anyone wants to buy a hardly used Grizz 8", I'm entertaining offers. tom d Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:10:04 -0600, "Leon" wrote: I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. Yeah, I'm right there with ya, Leon. I have an 8" Grizz that replaced an 8 " Delta and the sumbitch hardly gets used at all. I'm working in a production environment now and all the glue joints are done on a stright line ripsaw. The joints are perfect. Even before that I would hotmelt a fence onto something that I wanted to joint on the tablesaw, rather than use the jointer. I did my face prep on a lunchbox planer and took the high side down slow until it got level and then flipped it. It was a lot easier and wound up being more accurate. If anyone wants to buy a hardly used Grizz 8", I'm entertaining offers. tom LOL Tom I think for many of us the jointer is a machine that we haf'ta have and then 20 or so years later realize that there are often easier ways to achieve the same results with out using the jointer and then there it sets. I really and truly have kept it around because it is heavy and I used to keep the "shop dog" tied up to it, that was its purpose in my shop. The current Great Dane is a puss and really does not care that much for the shop. I think I used my "PC DETAIL SANDER" more than my jointer if that tells you any thing. You are thinking of selling yours, I am considering giving mine away. Like minds. ;~) |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:10:04 -0600, "Leon" wrote: I have a 6" Craftsman jointer. There I said it. I have had it for 25 years. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30+ years and decided in the last couple of days that I don't need a jointer. You can probably do with out one also. You should get a planer before you get a jointer and with the right jigs you can flatten and straighten a board with a table saw and a planer, that is what I do. Yeah, I'm right there with ya, Leon. I have an 8" Grizz that replaced an 8 " Delta and the sumbitch hardly gets used at all. I'm working in a production environment now and all the glue joints are done on a stright line ripsaw. The joints are perfect. Even before that I would hotmelt a fence onto something that I wanted to joint on the tablesaw, rather than use the jointer. I did my face prep on a lunchbox planer and took the high side down slow until it got level and then flipped it. It was a lot easier and wound up being more accurate. If anyone wants to buy a hardly used Grizz 8", I'm entertaining offers. tom d Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ Tom, I think you are right across the river from me, given that, I would make an offer but it wouldn't fit and like the carrier, part would have to stick out the door to be able to use it, With the rains we have, I'd never be able to afford the top coat LOL CC |
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Tom Watson wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:10:04 -0600, "Leon" wrote: Yeah, I'm right there with ya, Leon. I have an 8" Grizz that replaced an 8 " Delta and the sumbitch hardly gets used at all. I have an old iron Rockwell Delta 6" jointer. It is not the least used tool in my shop but perhaps is the least needed tool. I'd say my lathe is the least used but when I need a lathe, you need a lathe. It's rare I actually "need" my jointer and it would be one of the last tools I would buy. I'm working in a production environment now and all the glue joints are done on a stright line ripsaw. I generally don't need to joint stuff ripped on the Tsaw, but I often do it because it is super easy and it's right there. Even before that I would hotmelt a fence onto something that I wanted to joint on the tablesaw, rather than use the jointer. That makes no sense to me, unless your jointer is not in the right place, or not set up right? I seldom use the jointer to face plane anything other than logs I salvage from fire wood, pallets and what not. I'll joint one face, then use that face to make a 90 and then it's easy to rip on the BS or TS. When buying S2S lumber it's the tool to clean up an edge with no muss or fuss to prep for cutting. I can't imagine hot melting a fence to do this on a TS if you have a jointer at hand? I also used it a lot when I used to rip everything with a cheap 8 tooth carbide blade. That blade always cut like butter but left a rough edge. One pass through the jointer and all was well. Interesting thing was I could still edge glue right off that blade and still get a near perfect joint. Also like to use it when sneaking up on a width for something. I know it always cuts a tad under 1/16th of an inch, so I use that to my advantage when needed. -- Jack Using FREE News Server: http://Motzarella.org http://jbstein.com |
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"Jack Stein" wrote in message ... Snip When buying S2S lumber it's the tool to clean up an edge with no muss or fuss to prep for cutting. I can't imagine hot melting a fence to do this on a TS if you have a jointer at hand? I think he is hot melting a straight edge on to the rough edged stock and runs the straight edge along the TS fence. With this type application or a sled like I use it takes "1" pass on the TS to straighten the most crooked of edges. With a jointer that takes several passes. Think about taperng a leg, you can do that on a jointer with several passes or with 1 pass using a taper jig on the TS. The jig the TS workes much like a taper jig, it uses a straight edge to reference the TS fence. |
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Leon wrote:
"Jack Stein" wrote in message ... Snip When buying S2S lumber it's the tool to clean up an edge with no muss or fuss to prep for cutting. I can't imagine hot melting a fence to do this on a TS if you have a jointer at hand? I think he is hot melting a straight edge on to the rough edged stock and runs the straight edge along the TS fence. With this type application or a sled like I use it takes "1" pass on the TS to straighten the most crooked of edges. For an irregular, crooked edge I reckon, but thats not what I'm talking about. S2S is generally ripped fairly straight at the mill, just the edges are rough, not irregular. I can make several passes on my jointer and rip the plank to size before my glue gun even warms up. Probably faster than I can dig out my glue gun and hook it up:-) With a jointer that takes several passes. Think about taperng a leg, you can do that on a jointer with several passes or with 1 pass using a taper jig on the TS. The jig the TS workes much like a taper jig, it uses a straight edge to reference the TS fence. Tapered legs are a jointer specialty, wanted or not:-) -- Jack Using FREE News Server: http://Motzarella.org http://jbstein.com |
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CC:
Just beware that the Quickset knives from Jet/Powermatic are unique. I found that no one else makes a replacement set and you have to order them from Jet/Powermatic. I have the Powermatic version of this jointer and overall it's a good one. The table is NOT superflat and I have been trying, without a lot of push or success, to get them to tell me what their tolerances are. But from what my woodworker mentor tells me, it should be just fine. If you could find one that was in the store and buy it off the floor, you'll be able to measure the flatness. MJM |
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"CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC CC, I have the earlier version of that Jet jointer and it's been a workhorse. In this class of equipment, nothing is ever perfect and you'll find something that will bug you but in the end, it works and you'll be happy with it. But.... If you look at Lowes (stores only) right now, you will find that they have the $650 DeWalt model 735 Planer marked down to $499. Buy the Craftsman jointer if it's in decent shape, tune it up and use it with your new planer. On a budget... I can understand that so just cut off the wife's beer for a month and you'll probably have enough to get both. Haggle the Craftsman down another $75 if not.... Bob S. |
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Test the craftsman.. Edge-joint 2 boards about 3 feet long then hold the
edges together if you get no light... it's keeper. Actually, ask the owner if they will do that test for you. If you have never owned a jointer before, you may not your jointer technique together. IMHO, jointers are really simple beasts... there's not that many parameters: Length, width, HP, handwheels vs. Levers and the only one that *really* matters "is it flat?" In this class of equipment, nothing is ever perfect and you'll find something that will bug you but in the end, it works and you'll be happy with it. I tend to agree. -Steve |
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"Bob S." wrote in message ... "CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC CC, I have the earlier version of that Jet jointer and it's been a workhorse. In this class of equipment, nothing is ever perfect and you'll find something that will bug you but in the end, it works and you'll be happy with it. But.... If you look at Lowes (stores only) right now, you will find that they have the $650 DeWalt model 735 Planer marked down to $499. Buy the Craftsman jointer if it's in decent shape, tune it up and use it with your new planer. On a budget... I can understand that so just cut off the wife's beer for a month and you'll probably have enough to get both. Haggle the Craftsman down another $75 if not.... Bob S. Thanks guys for all the good input, I really want a good planer also, and have been looking close at the DeWalt 735, but if I bought the Jet jointer I'd probably have to buy one cheaper, Your input has helped me lots. I will check the Craftsman very closely and it if seems to be a in as good shape as claimed go with it and then be able to get the 735 planer too, Ill have to talk to wife about her x-stitch and see what kind of budget she'll agree too (Ahhhh thinking about it,,,, maybe not LOL) I think she agreed with the purchase's to get me out of the house and into the shop CC |
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"CC" wrote:
and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, IMHO, NO! When it comes to a jointer, iron is iron. If the tables are flat and parallel, the Craftsman is a winner. At least mine was before it got legs. If the seller will allow it take a couple of boards with you to joint. If the pieces butt up to a light tight joint, you have a winner. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "CC" wrote: and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, IMHO, NO! When it comes to a jointer, iron is iron. If the tables are flat and parallel, the Craftsman is a winner. At least mine was before it got legs. If the seller will allow it take a couple of boards with you to joint. If the pieces butt up to a light tight joint, you have a winner. Lew I've contacted the seller and am going to try to see the jointer Tuesday I'm going to get him to run a couple pieces through it to see how well they will mate, Hopefully it will be in as good a shape as he says it is If it is, I will have a new tool in the shop, cc |
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"CC" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "CC" wrote: and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, IMHO, NO! When it comes to a jointer, iron is iron. If the tables are flat and parallel, the Craftsman is a winner. At least mine was before it got legs. If the seller will allow it take a couple of boards with you to joint. If the pieces butt up to a light tight joint, you have a winner. Lew I've contacted the seller and am going to try to see the jointer Tuesday I'm going to get him to run a couple pieces through it to see how well they will mate, Hopefully it will be in as good a shape as he says it is If it is, I will have a new tool in the shop, cc Keep in mind though that the guy may not have it set up well, e.g., knives not well adjusted, outfeed table at wrong height, etc.) and that he may not use proper technique... It could be a fine and dandy machine but the "test" may suggest it's not. John |
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"CC" wrote in message ... Opinions needed on first jointer purchase, I want to build some furniture, china cabinet, build in book cases, possibly a bed,. some night stands, things on that order, I'm going to look at a JET 708457DXK JJ-6CSDX 6-Inch for $550 http://www.amazon.com/708457DXK-JJ-6...pr_product_top and also a Craftsman Professional 6 1/8" jointer 1/2" rabbiting capacity with a 46" cast Iron table model # 152.217060 for $300 about 4 years old. I don't have a link to this. Both are said to be in like new condition. Is the difference between the Jet and the Craftsman worth the cost difference, I could use the price difference toward the cost of buying a planer next ,so it does matter to my budget. as I am retired now and on fixed income Thanks for any thoughts CC I saw a new Delta 6" jointer on sale through the end of the month from Rockler for $200! It is not on their website but I got it in a mailer. You could call Rockler to see if it is still for sale. |
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