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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
I'm going to be working on a project where we will be
splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea: http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
"Tim Witort" wrote in message .131... I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea: http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ can you find a large band saw? |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
"Tim Witort" wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. snip You don't want to go down the table saw road. Might consider the following: Build a dedicated jig for each tube size that will clamp the tube in position and guide a circular saw to make the first cut. After first cut rotate 180 degrees and locate in final position with a 2nd jig to insure accurate 2nd cut. Moving the cutting blade rather than moving the tube will make the job a whole lot easier, IMHO. Lew |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
"Tim Witort" wrote:
I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. What you want to do is build a v-shaped jig like you mentioned, and directly behind the blade you'll build in a "splitter". This is straight piece of wood the thickness of your saw blade that will serve to keep the kerf you just cut from closing up, and will also prevent the sonotube from rotating once you've started your cut. The only issue is to be careful you make the second cut 180 degrees around from the first. Good luck! JP |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
charlie seemed to utter in :
"Tim Witort" wrote in message .131... I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea: http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ can you find a large band saw? Not *that* large! The only band saws I know that can cut 16" material are huge industrial machines. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
Lew Hodgett seemed to utter in news:dZY1k.11199$%Z1.1820@trnddc05:
"Tim Witort" wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. snip You don't want to go down the table saw road. Might consider the following: Build a dedicated jig for each tube size that will clamp the tube in position and guide a circular saw to make the first cut. After first cut rotate 180 degrees and locate in final position with a 2nd jig to insure accurate 2nd cut. Moving the cutting blade rather than moving the tube will make the job a whole lot easier, IMHO. Lew Thanks for the idea, I'll have to think about that one. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
The jig in your picture looks a lot like a radial arm saw except that
instead of a pointer indicating the location of the blade down below, you'd have the actual blade that you could see up above. There will always be people who freak out at the thought of ripping with a RAS, but the idea is so crazy it just might work. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" _________________________________ Lee Gordon http://www.leegordonproductions.com |
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use your bandsaw it will be less dangerous and give you a smo
tther cut "Tim Witort" wrote in message .131... I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea: http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote:
I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ How many of those cuts do you have to make? I have thought of a jig, but the quantities will have make it all worth it. |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
Robatoy seemed to utter in news:ac054c7b-e4ab-4139-bb35-8cea0a5f8ee9@
79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com: On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ How many of those cuts do you have to make? I have thought of a jig, but the quantities will have make it all worth it. Roughly 100 Sonotubes will need to be split for this project. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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use your bandsaw it will be less dangerous and give you a smo tther cut I don't have access to a bandsaw with a 16" cutting height. Heck, I don't even have access to a bandsaw with an 8" cutting height! The big commercial bandsaws can do 16", but that's not an option on this project. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:31:12 -0500, (Tim
Witort) wrote: Roughly 100 Sonotubes will need to be split for this project. For 100 tubes, a jig is definitely worth it. What about a foam insert? It could be solid or a series of disks. -- or -- A "case" that would guide a circular or jig saw along the top, or a table saw along the bottom? You could tape the first cut together to do the second. --------------------------------------------- ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html ** --------------------------------------------- |
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Lee Gordon seemed to utter in
: The jig in your picture looks a lot like a radial arm saw except that instead of a pointer indicating the location of the blade down below, you'd have the actual blade that you could see up above. There will always be people who freak out at the thought of ripping with a RAS, but the idea is so crazy it just might work. Lee Yeah, I see the resemblance. If I had a RAS, I might consider that one. My only saw options are tablesaw, skill saw, jig saw, and recip saw. Seemed the tablesaw was my best option for getting a clean, straight cut. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote:
I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ I think your ideal is the way to go, but instead of wedges use tall fences on either side. I think you'll find the wedges would have to be very big in order to "wedge" the tube. Where as the tall fence will hold tube in place. |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
If I had a RAS, I might
consider that one. My only saw options are tablesaw, skill saw, jig saw, and recip saw. Seemed the tablesaw was my best option for getting a clean, straight cut. Depending on how long the tubes are, here's one more option. Build a rectangular frame with wedges running along the bottom of the long sides, so you can clamp the fixture to the sonotube and run a router with a straight cutting bit from one end to the other. That would give you a clean cut and allow you to see what you were doing. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" _________________________________ Lee Gordon http://www.leegordonproductions.com |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
On Jun 6, 7:31*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote:
Robatoy seemed to utter in news:ac054c7b-e4ab-4139-bb35-8cea0a5f8ee9@ 79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com: On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ How many of those cuts do you have to make? I have thought of a jig, but the quantities will have make it all worth it. Roughly 100 Sonotubes will need to be split for this project. I'm curious - what are you making? JP |
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The simplest jig would be a piece of plywood cut to length and ripped
the exact diameter of the tube. Firmly attach to the tube and run the plywood against the fence. Flip the assembly end for end for the second cut. You may need a helper and some type of feather board to hold the plywood and tube tight to the fence. |
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I would check to see if the Sona tube makers can rip them first. If
not I would use it as an excuss to buy a Rikon 14" bandsaw, and for the largest or all if the excuss idea didnt work is the use a jig saw with straight edge clamped. . Look to see if theres a co-op workshop to rent shop space and use there bandsaw.Where are located maybe someone knows of shop space |
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Jig to perfectly split sonotube on tablesaw?
Jay Pique seemed to utter in
: On Jun 6, 7:31*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: Robatoy seemed to utter in news:ac054c7b-e4ab-4139-bb35-8cea0a5f8ee9@ 79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com: On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ How many of those cuts do you have to make? I have thought of a jig, but the quantities will have make it all worth it. Roughly 100 Sonotubes will need to be split for this project. I'm curious - what are you making? We're doing an acoustic renovation on an auditorium. The half-tubes need to be placed on the walls at specific locations to tune the acoustics of the room. -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Tim, Build a 3-sided box that will hold the sonotube (only need 1/2 the diameter on the box top and bottom). Make the box a bit longer than the sonotube and install a stop inside on both ends. Clamp the sonotube to the box on the center of the full-length side so the clamps clear the fence . Slide the box (full length side against the table saw fence) and cut one side at a time. This will give you a smooth edge, repeatable cuts, and a safe means to handle the sonotube. After cutting lengthwise, remove from the box and repeat. You will have to flip the box and tube to make the second cut, but with two people, you should not have any issues. To allow easier tracking, you might glue a guide strip on both of the short sides that sets in the miter slot on the table saw ... thus eliminating the fence (and the potential interference with the clamps), and ensuring you always track the entire cut. Hope this helps. Good idea, Rick. I think I'm starting to get a good design in mind now... -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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You've got the right idea with the V-jig. You can make it large enough
to handle your largest stock and it will work for all of them. Here's a trick to keep the tube from twisting... Make the jig extend at least a foot past the blade on your tablesaw, just run it through the saw to create a kerf, then us a slim piece of metal standing in the kerf behind the saw. The kerf in the tube will go on either side of the metal and prevent the tube from twisting. I use a smaller setup just like this to split dowels. Jack On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:18:45 -0500, (Tim Witort) wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea: http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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Tim Witort wrote:
I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. The problem is the lack of a reference face. You make a long-plank-with-V-Seats and clamp it to the tube. You now have a composite object with a nice reference face to run against the fence. Cut, flip end-for-end (so the reference is still against the face), do the other cut. BugBear |
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Tim Witort seemed to utter in news:Xns9AB85EDE98708timwitortwrotethis@
216.196.97.131: Jay Pique seemed to utter in : On Jun 6, 7:31*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: Robatoy seemed to utter in news:ac054c7b-e4ab-4139-bb35-8cea0a5f8ee9@ 79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com: On Jun 5, 5:18*pm, (Tim Witort) wrote: I'm going to be working on a project where we will be splitting many sonotubes ranging in diameter from 8" to 16" and in length from 12' to 16'. *We need to rip them into perfect (as much as possible) half-rounds. I'm thinking that there must be a jig I can build for my tablesaw that will allow the tubes to be fed through the blade that will make a very straight cut. *A V notch would keep the tube centered on the blade, but I can't think of a way to make sure the cut doesn't wander radially from one end to the other. *The half rounds are going to be placed on walls and need to be super flat and straight. One idea was to snap a chalk line along the length of one side of the tube. *Then, on the jig, have an arm that extends over the top of the tube that has an indicator on it showing the blade position. *As the tube is fed through the blade, keep the chalk line on that indicator. *Then flip the tube over, tape the cut just made so the tube doesn't fall apart as the second cut is made. *Run the tube through again, this time using the first cut as the guide line on the indicator. Here's a picture of that idea:http://www.proudviews.com/TubeRipper.jpg Would this work or is there a better way to do this? -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m *. *w i t o r t _______________________________________ How many of those cuts do you have to make? I have thought of a jig, but the quantities will have make it all worth it. Roughly 100 Sonotubes will need to be split for this project. I'm curious - what are you making? We're doing an acoustic renovation on an auditorium. The half-tubes need to be placed on the walls at specific locations to tune the acoustics of the room. I settled on a design and we have almost finished splitting all of the Sonotubes. The jig I ended up making was a 16' long piece of plywood 18" wide as the jig base. Onto this was attached a movable "fence" that also went the 16' length. For the 16" diameter tubes, the jig fence was placed 8" from the edge of the jig base. The tubes were clamped to the jig fence at both ends, then the jig was run through the tablesaw with the saw fence set at 18". This gave us very straight, quick cuts. Then we rolled the tube 180 degrees, used a framing square to confirm that the first cut was rotated directly above the next cut. Clamped again and ran through the second cut. I used a feather board to keep the jig against the saw fence and roller stands on the infeed and outfeed to support the jig. Thanks for everyone's input! -- TRW _______________________________________ t i m . w i t o r t _______________________________________ |
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