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OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. Once again my fingers are crossed. If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand, there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the world moves on. I had unintentionally become a Computer System Neander - and the world was leaving me behind - as was Apple and Mac software. My old Mac G3 purchased in 1997 or maybe it was '98, won't run the newest versions of my frequently used software, nor any of the "new stuff" - like SketchUP. And Netscape 3.0 (how Neander is THAT?) can't, or has trouble viewing the content of more and more web sites. SO - about three weeks ago - I headed down to the Apple Store and picked up a NEW Mac Mini - 6" x 6" x 2" - since I already had a flat screen display, keyboard and mouse. Five or six times faster and 1/30th the size of the old G3 - and it's so CUTE- silver gray sides and a white top -with a gray Apple Logo. What happened should be familiar to anyone who has bought one of those fancy "easy to use" dovetail or mortise and tenon jigs. The Silver Tongued Devil who you saw demonstrate it made it look SO EASY, and so Idiot Proof, and so FAST and so ACCURATE. Then YOU buy it, set it up and use it - just like you think you remember The Silver Tongued Devil did at The Show. That's when perception and reality often conflict. Despite what The Silver Tongued Devil said - or heavily implied, and despite what The Brochure would have you believe, and despite what the various "reviews" in the woodworking magazines would have you believe - this thing AIN'T intuitive to use, nor EASY, FAST and ACCURATE - until YOU learn to use it EXACTLY as the manufacturer intended for you to use it. With a computer system that's Stand Alone, migrating upward and learning a new User Interface (Apple's strong point) can be tricky. Add in an Internet Service Provider, totally unfamiliar downloaded software and an A/B Box so you can switch the monitor from Old System to New System and back - and you may drop into The Twilight Zone. Seems while trying to "set up" the New Computer - and it's software, I somehow managed to screw up the Old Computer and it's mail and news settings. Suddenly, and mysteriously, I couldn't get to usenet news groups and couldn't send e-mail. Then I COULD get to usenet groups - but couldn't post messages - or send any e-mail. Only took a bit over a week to be able to at least get to and view posts to the wreck and the woodturning news group, "making do" by spending time at WoodCentral to satisfy my Forum addiction. There I found a recomended Mac newsreader ThunderBird and the web browser FireFox recomended here and in other forums / groups. Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered them on the Old Computer. Only this post will tell the tale. charlie b crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now" - and whispering "please, please, please work" |
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charlieb wrote in news:482877DC.1879
@accesscom.com: I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. Once again my fingers are crossed. If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand, there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the world moves on. *snip* Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered them on the Old Computer. Only this post will tell the tale. charlie b crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now" - and whispering "please, please, please work" Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to find everything again. My previous computer was 4 1/2 years old, and it's going to be reformatted and passed on to my mother, who's laptop is 5 and starting to develop screen issues. Those hinges aren't made to withstand 5 years of opening and closing... Puckdropper -- You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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charlieb wrote:
I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. Once again my fingers are crossed. [truisms snip] Speaking as one whose first computer (that I did some programming on) was a Burroughs E101 externally programmed thing that was about the size of a desk (and did about as much). I found that over the years that it took about six months to become pretty much obsolete technically. I can still talk in theoretical terms about software and data design. My usage of hardware is pretty much constrained to communications and word processing (don't forget Solitaire). We still replace hardware every four or five years and it's never easy or intuitive. In short don't believe ads or the sweet talk of a computer geek. mahalo, (and good luck) jo4hn |
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"charlieb" wrote in message ... I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. Once again my fingers are crossed. Snip I see you Charlieb. I feeeel your pain. It seems that I cannot make a change to my internet settings or install new internet software with out my ISP also going down at the same moment. So I try to undo or fix it on my end all the while my ISP is going up and down on their end. |
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My first personal computer ran CPm.
It had Wordstar 1 on it. I was very disturbed to go to DOS based stuff. I got over it. My first Windows computer was a Dutch box from AST. It was OK. I actually miss the 3.1 flat file. I bought 95 when it came out ("Start Me Up"). I didn't know it then but boxes are designed to run with certain software. I bought a Sony Vaio. It ran 95 just fine. I bought a laptop that ran 95 just fine. It didn't like Windows 98 SE or the bogus Millenium Edition. It was made by a monitor company that had reached too far (CTX). I bought a no name box from MIcro Center. Ran Win XP and backwards, just fine. I bought another laptop that was an XP box - a Dell. It runs fine but is four years old and one bad accident away from a new box. I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. I bought a laptop for my wife a year ago. It runs WinVista. I don't know what that means and I don't care. I was happiest when I was running DOS. On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:01:12 -0700, charlieb wrote: I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. Once again my fingers are crossed. If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand, there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the world moves on. I had unintentionally become a Computer System Neander - and the world was leaving me behind - as was Apple and Mac software. My old Mac G3 purchased in 1997 or maybe it was '98, won't run the newest versions of my frequently used software, nor any of the "new stuff" - like SketchUP. And Netscape 3.0 (how Neander is THAT?) can't, or has trouble viewing the content of more and more web sites. SO - about three weeks ago - I headed down to the Apple Store and picked up a NEW Mac Mini - 6" x 6" x 2" - since I already had a flat screen display, keyboard and mouse. Five or six times faster and 1/30th the size of the old G3 - and it's so CUTE- silver gray sides and a white top -with a gray Apple Logo. What happened should be familiar to anyone who has bought one of those fancy "easy to use" dovetail or mortise and tenon jigs. The Silver Tongued Devil who you saw demonstrate it made it look SO EASY, and so Idiot Proof, and so FAST and so ACCURATE. Then YOU buy it, set it up and use it - just like you think you remember The Silver Tongued Devil did at The Show. That's when perception and reality often conflict. Despite what The Silver Tongued Devil said - or heavily implied, and despite what The Brochure would have you believe, and despite what the various "reviews" in the woodworking magazines would have you believe - this thing AIN'T intuitive to use, nor EASY, FAST and ACCURATE - until YOU learn to use it EXACTLY as the manufacturer intended for you to use it. With a computer system that's Stand Alone, migrating upward and learning a new User Interface (Apple's strong point) can be tricky. Add in an Internet Service Provider, totally unfamiliar downloaded software and an A/B Box so you can switch the monitor from Old System to New System and back - and you may drop into The Twilight Zone. Seems while trying to "set up" the New Computer - and it's software, I somehow managed to screw up the Old Computer and it's mail and news settings. Suddenly, and mysteriously, I couldn't get to usenet news groups and couldn't send e-mail. Then I COULD get to usenet groups - but couldn't post messages - or send any e-mail. Only took a bit over a week to be able to at least get to and view posts to the wreck and the woodturning news group, "making do" by spending time at WoodCentral to satisfy my Forum addiction. There I found a recomended Mac newsreader ThunderBird and the web browser FireFox recomended here and in other forums / groups. Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered them on the Old Computer. Only this post will tell the tale. charlie b crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now" - and whispering "please, please, please work" Tom Watson tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to find everything again. I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150 less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus and window layout, and I'm quite happy. I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders, with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine... I actually did look at a few MacBooks, but something comparable to this $500 Vista machine would cost me $1500, so I passed. I wanted a machine that would fit in my flight bag. I figure with my $495 machine, I can run Open Office, all my 'net and flight planning s/w, and take it all with me, to suck on the free WiFi available at any small airport and most everywhere else. My current desktop is 6 years old, and will remain in service. --------------------------------------------- ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html ** --------------------------------------------- |
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B A R R Y wrote in
: On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to find everything again. I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150 less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus and window layout, and I'm quite happy. I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders, with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine... I actually did look at a few MacBooks, but something comparable to this $500 Vista machine would cost me $1500, so I passed. I wanted a machine that would fit in my flight bag. I figure with my $495 machine, I can run Open Office, all my 'net and flight planning s/w, and take it all with me, to suck on the free WiFi available at any small airport and most everywhere else. My current desktop is 6 years old, and will remain in service. --------------------------------------------- ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html ** --------------------------------------------- I have a Vista 3680-2633, about the same price with 2 GB Ram from Microcenter. Now I have had it for 6 months or so and installed a whole bunch of "nice" software, it does not want to install Vista SP1. I'll have to make an image then try reinstalling Vista, upgrade to SP1, then reinstall all my fucCtrlHCtrlHCtrlH nice software. GRUMPPHH! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote:
I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. |
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:20:17 GMT, Han wrote:
I have a Vista 3680-2633, about the same price with 2 GB Ram from Microcenter. Now I have had it for 6 months or so and installed a whole bunch of "nice" software, it does not want to install Vista SP1. I'll have to make an image then try reinstalling Vista, upgrade to SP1, then reinstall all my fucCtrlHCtrlHCtrlH nice software. GRUMPPHH! This and previously described phenomena plus a personal experience the other day are exactly what have driven me to Linux. I downloaded 8.04 the other day (free) and installed it on a 320gB HD I bought for $69. That could have conceivably been my only expenditure, but I gussied up the package with a $40 mobo and a $70 processor. The OS loaded right up, it's preloaded with FireFox (which I'd been using for a year or more), it found the internet just fine on my network, and it reads the other (XP) computers on the network. The XP computers don't see the Linux box (yet) but that's not the fault of Linux, per se. The other day I took a HD I've had for a while (in fact I had loaded an earlier version of Linux on it a couple of weeks ago before I got the bigger HD) and loaded XP onto it. Then I had to register it. But the registration code I had didn't work, so I had to call tech support. It took almost 50 minutes sitting on the phone waiting for the tech guy to weave whatever magic they have to weave to get me a working reg key. I'd been teetering on the "bye-bye m$" brink for a while, but now it's "never again." I'll need to find complementary apps to what I'd been used to on m$ stuff for the last 18 years, but then I've functionally had to do that at least three times along the way, anyway, and that doesn't count the C/PM, Applesoft, DOS3.3/4.01/5.0/6.22 transitions I had along the way, too. The friggin' OS is free! It's stable. It's secure. It has a proven track record. You can be as GUIish as you want with it or play command line as much as you want. It doesn't fight you past the learning curve, which all the rest have, as well, by the way. m$ wants $ for an obsolete OS (although it's still better, relatively speaking, than its replacement). By the way, I've been describing Vista as the new ME. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net http://www.normstools.com Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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B A R R Y wrote in
: On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to find everything again. I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150 less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus and window layout, and I'm quite happy. I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders, with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine... *snip* My system does have a few issues, but they're not because of Vista. It's Lenovo's fault. They didn't get power management right, and that's a huge issue on a laptop. User Account Control was a bit annoying during initial set up. It's easy enough to disable, though. I reenabled it after I was done moving and installing, and it's not popped up unless I've headed in to the control panel. Puckdropper -- You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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On May 12, 1:01*pm, charlieb wrote:
I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm that - or not. *This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to this group. *Once again my fingers are crossed. If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand, there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the world moves on. * I had unintentionally become a Computer System Neander - and the world was leaving me behind - as was Apple and Mac software. *My old Mac G3 purchased in 1997 or maybe it was '98, won't run the newest versions of my frequently used software, nor any of the "new stuff" - like SketchUP. And Netscape 3.0 (how Neander is THAT?) can't, or has trouble viewing the content of more and more web sites. SO - about three weeks ago - I headed down to the Apple Store and picked up a NEW Mac Mini - 6" x 6" x 2" - since I already had a flat screen display, keyboard and mouse. Five or six times faster and 1/30th the size of the old G3 - and it's so CUTE- silver gray sides and a white top -with a gray Apple Logo. What happened should be familiar to anyone who has bought one of those fancy "easy to use" dovetail or mortise and tenon jigs. *The Silver Tongued Devil who you saw demonstrate it made it look SO EASY, and so Idiot Proof, and so FAST and so ACCURATE. Then YOU buy it, set it up and use it - just like you think you remember The Silver Tongued Devil did at The Show. *That's when perception and reality often conflict. Despite what The Silver Tongued Devil said - or heavily implied, and despite what The Brochure would have you believe, and despite what the various "reviews" in the woodworking magazines would have you believe - this thing AIN'T intuitive to use, nor EASY, FAST and ACCURATE - until YOU learn to use it EXACTLY as the manufacturer intended for you to use it. With a computer system that's Stand Alone, migrating upward and learning a new User Interface (Apple's strong point) can be tricky. *Add in an Internet Service Provider, totally unfamiliar downloaded software and an A/B Box so you can switch the monitor from Old System to New System and back - and you may drop into The Twilight Zone. Seems while trying to "set up" the New Computer - and it's software, I somehow managed to screw up the Old Computer and it's mail and news settings. Suddenly, and mysteriously, I couldn't get to usenet news groups and couldn't send e-mail. Then I COULD get to usenet groups - but couldn't post messages - or send any e-mail. Only took a bit over a week to be able to at least get to and view posts to the wreck and the woodturning news group, "making do" by spending time at WoodCentral to satisfy my Forum addiction. *There I found a recomended Mac newsreader ThunderBird and the web browser FireFox recomended here and in other forums / groups. Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered them on the Old Computer. *Only this post will tell the tale. charlie b crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now" - and whispering "please, please, please work" http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...omicrosoft.jpg |
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LRod wrote in news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@
4ax.com: snipped for brevity I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken. Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of Vista may be getting to be a priority for me. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. Wireless Internet Check Birkenstocks Check Tilley Shorts Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites Starbucks **** Starbucks Toyota Prius 1987 Ford F150 Thank god I'm a country boy! Tom Watson tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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On May 12, 8:57*pm, Tom Watson wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. Wireless Internet * * * Check Birkenstocks * * * * * *Check Tilley Shorts * * * * * Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites Starbucks * * * * * * * **** Starbucks Toyota Prius * * * * * *1987 Ford F150 gunrack??? Thank god I'm a country boy! |
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:59:19 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote: On May 12, 8:57*pm, Tom Watson wrote: On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. Wireless Internet * * * Check Birkenstocks * * * * * *Check Tilley Shorts * * * * * Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites Starbucks * * * * * * * **** Starbucks Toyota Prius * * * * * *1987 Ford F150 gunrack??? Thank god I'm a country boy! No gunrack but a Mossberg 12G behind the seat and a Colt 1911 under the seat. Tom Watson tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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"Robatoy" wrote: Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. My Tilley hat I love, even learned to reef my Tilley hat with one hand, but Tilley shorts, I'll pass, along with the rest of the crap above. Lew |
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:54:34 GMT, Han wrote:
LRod wrote in news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@ 4ax.com: snipped for brevity I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken. Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of Vista may be getting to be a priority for me. I'm very early in my Linux journey. I haven't even begun trying emulators. Frankly, I'm probably going to concentrate on native Linux apps (forgot to mention, Open Office is packaged with the Linux I got--Ubuntu, for the record--it handles all the m$ orifice formats). Less trouble. Speak to some Mac people--they'll probably tell you the same thing. Incidentally, I gave up on Quicken quite a while ago. I was an adopter in about 1990 and used it faithfully up until about Fall, '06. One of the ongoing problems was utter lack of support from Intuit. They are notorious for it. Check newsgroups geared toward them. I've been using online banking which covers my needs (which are simple) so far. If I do eventually go back to accounting software, I'll find a native Linux app. But I don't know of any yet. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net http://www.normstools.com Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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On May 12, 9:13*pm, Tom Watson wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:59:19 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 8:57*pm, Tom Watson wrote: On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. Wireless Internet * * * Check Birkenstocks * * * * * *Check Tilley Shorts * * * * * Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites Starbucks * * * * * * * **** Starbucks Toyota Prius * * * * * *1987 Ford F150 *gunrack??? Thank god I'm a country boy! No gunrack but a Mossberg 12G behind the seat and a Colt 1911 under the seat. Athena D'Italia III Over & Under, a gift from my bookie. No small arms. |
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Robatoy wrote:
On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway. |
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Robatoy wrote:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...omicrosoft.jpg Suspicion confirmed. It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). |
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On May 13, 12:20*am, Lobby Dosser
wrote: Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway. Truth is... I run Windows XP Pro very reliably and quickly on my Mac.... at the same time as I run OSX Leopard. All I want from a computer, is to get my work done. I don't want to know from .INI's .bat's and such. I have 3 macs at home and I spend about 1/2 hour per month doing IT. http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...oy/Rwindow.jpg The farking PC at the shop needs a LOT more attention. I guess I'm too stupid to operate a PC? Running that thing, is like needing 26 wrenches in a specific order to change a fricking routerbit? Those PC's are horribly underdeveloped. r (aka Zebco 6) |
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On May 13, 12:33*am, charlieb wrote:
Robatoy wrote: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...omicrosoft.jpg Suspicion confirmed. It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. *At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's *OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). Uhhnoooo... not another Mac snob??? LOL. me tooooo (except the snob part...G) |
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Han wrote:
LRod wrote in news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@ 4ax.com: snipped for brevity I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken. Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of Vista may be getting to be a priority for me. I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux version. Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
Robatoy wrote:
On May 13, 12:20*am, Lobby Dosser wrote: Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway. Truth is... I run Windows XP Pro very reliably and quickly on my Mac.... at the same time as I run OSX Leopard. All I want from a computer, is to get my work done. I don't want to know from .INI's .bat's and such. I have 3 macs at home and I spend about 1/2 hour per month doing IT. http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...oy/Rwindow.jpg The farking PC at the shop needs a LOT more attention. I guess I'm too stupid to operate a PC? Running that thing, is like needing 26 wrenches in a specific order to change a fricking routerbit? Those PC's are horribly underdeveloped. r (aka Zebco 6) I wrote my first program in 1965. I worked with software and hardware off and on until 2001 - and still muck about. I Hate PCs. Anytime I've ever upgraded Anything on a PC it his taken me ALL Friggin DAY to get the job done. My son is a sysadmin for a national company. When I need something done I call him and he helps me fly it into the ground. I Hate PCs. But I've got way too much invested. |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
charlieb wrote:
Robatoy wrote: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...eomicrosoft.jp g Suspicion confirmed. It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). The Apple GUI is a copy of the PARC GUI. Been there, used it. |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
Robatoy wrote:
On May 13, 12:33Â*am, charlieb wrote: Robatoy wrote: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...omicrosoft.jpg Suspicion confirmed. It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. Â*At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's Â*OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). Uhhnoooo... not another Mac snob??? LOL. me tooooo (except the snob part...G) Not a snob, but rapidly becoming a fan after getting my wife an iMac to replace her Windows laptop. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:20:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote: Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway. Skinning moles sounds tedious. Tom Watson tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
Tom Watson wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:20:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser wrote: Robatoy wrote: On May 12, 7:49*pm, Tom Watson wrote: I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23. It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon. Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with recycled water) Toyota Prius. And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway. Skinning moles sounds tedious. Compared to catching them, it's a piece of cake. |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
charlieb wrote:
Robatoy wrote: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...omicrosoft.jpg Suspicion confirmed. It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). What's ironic is that Microsoft writes their own OS, while Apple tacks a proprietary GUI on top of freeware. And probably doesn't donate a cent to FSF or BSD or any of the others who actually did most of their development for them. As for Excel being Microsoft's first "killer app", actually that was BASIC, without which the Apple II would have flopped miserably. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
Mark & Juanita wrote in
: I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux version. Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version. Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod. I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it! Nobody using emulators yet? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
Han wrote:
Mark & Juanita wrote in : I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux version. Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version. Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod. I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it! Nobody using emulators yet? Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you can run Windows under an emulator. And since the video system is emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with acceptable performance. If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. It is an attempt to provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. How well it works depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine. Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. If you want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
"charlieb"wrote It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). Yabbut ... go back and take a look at which OS your original post starting this thread was bitching about. :) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
On May 13, 7:48*am, "Swingman" wrote:
"charlieb"wrote It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept trying and is STILL trying to copy. *At the moment they've gotten all the way up to approximate Mac's *OS 7 level (Apple is currently up to Mac OS 10.5.2). Yabbut ... go back and take a look at which OS your original post starting this thread was bitching about. :) Well... yes... but I think I know what got to charlieb: "If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand, there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the world moves on." The 'world', in this case, moved on by such an enormous leap (spread out over many years) that it was more a realisation of culture shock than an evaluation of the platform in question. Holy cow!! Colour???? People either love or hate Apple and there seems to be no space in between. Personally, I think backwards from the task at hand. Get the job done. My finances have been PC based up to a few year ago, when MYOB made a commitment to keep supporting OSX. When I have to put a nail in, I really don't care if it is a Stanley or a Estwing hammer. If I were to be swinging a hammer all day, I'd probably look into which would be best for me. My Macs ARE PC's... they all boot in Windows XP pro, native, and the only thing I am happy about, is the fact that Apple's hardware seldom breaks, and I get two quality computers for the price of one... although they are a little more money than PC, comparably equipped, the difference in price isn't that great. Like charlieb, I learned certain software like the back of my hand, including all the CAD and 3D a man could want, but my upgrade path has been consistent both from a hardware point of view as well as software. Sometimes I boot one of my Macs from my museum. Things have changed. ...and that reminded me of something that happened the other day. Back in the late 1960's, I had a girlfriend. She was the most beautiful creature on this planet. Her parents moved her out west and we lost touch. In my mind, she was still a fine female specimen... till I ran into her again. Age wasn't kind to her either. We're talking an 8" floppy here...just to mix a few metaphors...G I'm sure she felt the same. r |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:34:05 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote: ...and that reminded me of something that happened the other day. Back in the late 1960's, I had a girlfriend. She was the most beautiful creature on this planet. Her parents moved her out west and we lost touch. In my mind, she was still a fine female specimen... till I ran into her again. Age wasn't kind to her either. We're talking an 8" floppy here...just to mix a few metaphors...G You're talking about her reaction, right? -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net http://www.normstools.com Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
"J. Clarke" wrote in
: Han wrote: Mark & Juanita wrote in : I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux version. Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version. Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod. I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it! Nobody using emulators yet? Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you can run Windows under an emulator. And since the video system is emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with acceptable performance. If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. It is an attempt to provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. How well it works depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine. Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. If you want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum. I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken is the most important. Since I am still employed, my work necessitates things like Acrobat (not just reader), the Office suite, a database program called Reference Manager, and more. When I retire, maybe that won't be necessary any more and I can play with some form of Linux with more sincerity. May be a year more, more or less ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
On May 13, 8:37*pm, Han wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote : Han wrote: Mark & Juanita wrote in : * I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux * version. Advantages: *MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: *Some people have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). *Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. *Checkout www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version. Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod. I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I discarded it. *I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it! Nobody using emulators yet? Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you can run Windows under an emulator. *And since the video system is emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with acceptable performance. If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. *It is an attempt to provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. *How well it works depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine. Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. *If you want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum. I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken is the most important. *Since I am still employed, my work necessitates things like Acrobat (not just reader), the Office suite, All Mac |
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SWomebody wrote:
I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken is the most important. Since I am still employed, my work necessitates things like Acrobat (not just reader), the Office suite, All Mac Quicken sucks. I run a program that started life in C/PM then DOS 2.0. Hasn't been updated since 1990. Have a customer data base file with almost 900 records and 50 custom fields. Uses less than 250K. The guy who wrote it knew how to write tight code. 64K of space will do that. Check books are simply a modified database file. Since my task hasn't changed, no need to update the software. Lew |
OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)
sorry for your troubles, but Windows (Vista) is no better! IHM & STD's
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