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See Picture at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking 4 doors on
bottom of cabinet, 2 on the outside are inset with a 1/16" reveal the 2 middle doors need to be overlay by 3/8 to 1/2" to cover the divider in order to support shelf. I have bored (35mm) holes 7/8 of an inch from edge and 4" from top and bottom. I'm using 107 degree snap on blum hinges but having a problem determining mounting plate. Any ideas? Thanks, Rich -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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"Rich" wrote in message news:vHVGj.4832$Ew5.2923@trnddc04... See Picture at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking 4 doors on bottom of cabinet, 2 on the outside are inset with a 1/16" reveal the 2 middle doors need to be overlay by 3/8 to 1/2" to cover the divider in order to support shelf. I have bored (35mm) holes 7/8 of an inch from edge and 4" from top and bottom. I'm using 107 degree snap on blum hinges but having a problem determining mounting plate. Any ideas? Thanks, Rich -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? |
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"Leon" wrote in message . net... I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? The reason I ask this question is that these Euro style hinges typically have to be located a specific distance from the edge. Too far from the edge and you cannot open the door. Because there are almost countless variations and over lay options available with these style hinges it is going to be difficult to suggest how the hinge should be mounted other than what the instructions dictate. Typically you have the opportunity to mount anywhere you wan,t up and down, but location from the edge of the door is quite critical. |
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Leon wrote:
"Rich" wrote in message news:vHVGj.4832$Ew5.2923@trnddc04... See Picture at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking 4 doors on bottom of cabinet, 2 on the outside are inset with a 1/16" reveal the 2 middle doors need to be overlay by 3/8 to 1/2" to cover the divider in order to support shelf. I have bored (35mm) holes 7/8 of an inch from edge and 4" from top and bottom. I'm using 107 degree snap on blum hinges but having a problem determining mounting plate. Any ideas? Thanks, Rich -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Leon wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message . net... I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? The reason I ask this question is that these Euro style hinges typically have to be located a specific distance from the edge. Too far from the edge and you cannot open the door. Because there are almost countless variations and over lay options available with these style hinges it is going to be difficult to suggest how the hinge should be mounted other than what the instructions dictate. Typically you have the opportunity to mount anywhere you wan,t up and down, but location from the edge of the door is quite critical. Thought that the mounting plate size or offset determined flush mount or inset and overlay position. It's been awhile since I have done cab doors so I could be wrong. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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"Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! I have probably drilled 3 or 4 hundred holes for these style hinges and in my particular case the distance from the edge was always 1/8" Typically the mechanics and or mounting plate of the hinge determine the amount of over lay. If you know the model number of that particular Blum hinge you should be able to find the particulars. See if this helps but as it looks you may need to get different mounting plates to suite you over lay needs. http://wwhardware.com/media/products...107cliptop.pdf |
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Leon wrote:
"Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! I have probably drilled 3 or 4 hundred holes for these style hinges and in my particular case the distance from the edge was always 1/8" Typically the mechanics and or mounting plate of the hinge determine the amount of over lay. If you know the model number of that particular Blum hinge you should be able to find the particulars. See if this helps but as it looks you may need to get different mounting plates to suite you over lay needs. http://wwhardware.com/media/products...107cliptop.pdf 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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"Rich" wrote
Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Well, you "could" plug the present holes and drill new ones. If you cut plugs that fit well, glue them and sand them down, they shouldn't show with the white paint finish. G But, I think the prescribed distance from the edge is more like 1/8" to maybe 3/8". Max |
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"Nova" wrote in message news:x2XGj.3296$Xl2.727@trndny01... Leon wrote: "Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. Typically the measurement for these type hinges are from the edge of the door to the edge of the hole, not the center of the hole. |
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Well, you "could" plug the present holes and drill new ones. If you cut plugs that fit well, glue them and sand them down, they shouldn't show with the white paint finish. G But, I think the prescribed distance from the edge is more like 1/8" to maybe 3/8". I have not been following this thread closely, but the above got my attention. If the interior surface is actually going to be painted, "plug" the existing holes with epoxy thickened wity micro-balloons. Fill the hole about 1/6-1/8 proud, then allow to cure for a couple of days. Sand flush, redrill 35mm holes and paint. Do a decent paint job and you will never see the repair. If this is a natural finish, all bets are off. Lew |
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"Rich" wrote Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Well, you "could" plug the present holes and drill new ones. If you cut plugs that fit well, glue them and sand them down, they shouldn't show with the white paint finish. G But, I think the prescribed distance from the edge is more like 1/8" to maybe 3/8". Max The 7/8" I'm talking about is to center of the 35mm bore. Making it about 1/8" from the edge. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Leon wrote:
"Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! I have probably drilled 3 or 4 hundred holes for these style hinges and in my particular case the distance from the edge was always 1/8" Typically the mechanics and or mounting plate of the hinge determine the amount of over lay. If you know the model number of that particular Blum hinge you should be able to find the particulars. See if this helps but as it looks you may need to get different mounting plates to suite you over lay needs. http://wwhardware.com/media/products...107cliptop.pdf Ok here's the deal, the 7/8" is to the center of the bore making it about an 1/8 from the edge. I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Leon wrote: "Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... Leon wrote: I don't recall ever seeing the requirement of 7/8" from the edge. Is that what the instructions call for? It was my understanding that 7/8" was the standard cup locations except with angled doors. I could be wrong, I hope not or I will be building these doors over and that would just suck!!!! I have probably drilled 3 or 4 hundred holes for these style hinges and in my particular case the distance from the edge was always 1/8" Typically the mechanics and or mounting plate of the hinge determine the amount of over lay. If you know the model number of that particular Blum hinge you should be able to find the particulars. See if this helps but as it looks you may need to get different mounting plates to suite you over lay needs. http://wwhardware.com/media/products...107cliptop.pdf 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. Glad someone finally realized what the hell I was saying or writing. Geeeez isnt 13/16 - 1/16 from being 7/8's These so called experts really think I bored a hole 7/8's from the edge? The side of the stile is 2-1/4 in total. How would I do that? -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Rich wrote:
See Picture at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking 4 doors on bottom of cabinet, 2 on the outside are inset with a 1/16" reveal the 2 middle doors need to be overlay by 3/8 to 1/2" to cover the divider in order to support shelf. I have bored (35mm) holes 7/8 of an inch from edge and 4" from top and bottom. I'm using 107 degree snap on blum hinges but having a problem determining mounting plate. Any ideas? Thanks, Rich Ok I made a mistake describing my bore for the hinge. I drilled the 35mm cup hole 7/8" from center to edge, leaving about an 1/8"from hole to edge. I'm not that stupid besides if the stile is 2-1/4" how would a 7/8" hole fit if it was from the edge? Anyway guess I'll figure this one on my own and I'm sure getting the right mounting plate starting from the 0 to the 9mm will solve my problem. Only one got it right and that was Nova! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Leon wrote:
"Nova" wrote in message news:x2XGj.3296$Xl2.727@trndny01... Leon wrote: "Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. Typically the measurement for these type hinges are from the edge of the door to the edge of the hole, not the center of the hole. 7/8" was a distance I got a long time ago but that was for face frame construction and it always worked for me. This is my first inset and small overlay job. I was told that it works for inset too. It's all about the mounting plate. All bets are off when dealing with angled cab doors though. Sorry for the misunderstanding and how I worded it. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Glad someone finally realized what the hell I was saying or writing. Geeeez isnt 13/16 - 1/16 from being 7/8's These so called experts really think I bored a hole 7/8's from the edge? The side of the stile is 2-1/4 in total. How would I do that? Go figure ...could it possibly be because the not "so called expert" who requested help in the first place did a **** poor job of saying what he meant? Naaaa ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Rich" wrote Ok I made a mistake describing my bore for the hinge. I drilled the 35mm cup hole 7/8" from center to edge, leaving about an 1/8"from hole to edge. I'm not that stupid besides if the stile is 2-1/4" how would a 7/8" hole fit if it was from the edge? Anyway guess I'll figure this one on my own and I'm sure getting the right mounting plate starting from the 0 to the 9mm will solve my problem. Only one got it right and that was Nova! Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. There are tables in every package for determining/changing the overlay/inset using this particular distance "B". Check the Blum site for a pdf for each type of hinge. No one who does this more than once attempts to measure from the "center of the cup" ... to do so is sheer idiocy. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Leon wrote:
"Nova" wrote in message news:x2XGj.3296$Xl2.727@trndny01... Leon wrote: "Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. Typically the measurement for these type hinges are from the edge of the door to the edge of the hole, not the center of the hole. The cup hole are a lot easier to drill when you have the forstner bit's center marked. It's hard to line up the rim of the bit. Ya'oughta try it! ;-) -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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"Rich" wrote Ok I made a mistake describing my bore for the hinge. I drilled the 35mm cup hole 7/8" from center to edge, leaving about an 1/8"from hole to edge. I'm not that stupid besides if the stile is 2-1/4" how would a 7/8" hole fit if it was from the edge? Anyway guess I'll figure this one on my own and I'm sure getting the right mounting plate starting from the 0 to the 9mm will solve my problem. Only one got it right and that was Nova! Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. Always? Blum gives a chart showing the center point distance as "Distance C" on page 10 of their literature at: http://www.blum.com/pdf/BUS/1046_hin...6_hinges_b.pdf -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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Nova wrote:
Leon wrote: "Nova" wrote in message news:x2XGj.3296$Xl2.727@trndny01... Leon wrote: "Rich" wrote in message news:Y9WGj.5748$rb6.397@trnddc01... 1/8" recess + (1 3/8" diameter [35 mm] cup /2) = 13/16" edge of door to center of cup. 7/8" to the center of the cup ain't that far off. Typically the measurement for these type hinges are from the edge of the door to the edge of the hole, not the center of the hole. The cup hole are a lot easier to drill when you have the forstner bit's center marked. It's hard to line up the rim of the bit. Ya'oughta try it! ;-) No sheet, anyways it all worked out I installed the doors today and all I needed was an assortment of 0 to 9mm spacer mounting brackets. My local hardwood supplier gave me the brackets so no big deal or loss. I think he was the one that told me 7/8" was the measurement in the first place. Next time I will pay more attention to the Blum PDF. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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"Rich" wrote Glad someone finally realized what the hell I was saying or writing. Geeeez isnt 13/16 - 1/16 from being 7/8's These so called experts really think I bored a hole 7/8's from the edge? The side of the stile is 2-1/4 in total. How would I do that? Go figure ...could it possibly be because the not "so called expert" who requested help in the first place did a **** poor job of saying what he meant? Naaaa ... yep, **** poor me. I'm such a pinhead!!!!! But it does stand to reason that you could not bore a 35mm hole 7/8" from the edge unless your stile was 3" or more. Oh well sorry for the confusion. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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Swingman wrote: Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. Always? Only if accurate placement is a concern. Blum gives a chart showing the center point distance as "Distance C" on page 10 of their literature at: Nice to know for purposes other than setting up your jigs, fences for boring. Use the "boring distance" "B" shown on most included charts for setting up those and you will be glad you did. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/8/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Nova" wrote Swingman wrote: Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. Always? Only if accurate placement is a concern. Blum gives a chart showing the center point distance as "Distance C" on page 10 of their literature at: Nice to know for purposes other than setting up your jigs, fences for boring. Use the "boring distance" "B" shown on most included charts for setting up those and you will be glad you did. I will use that chart in the future. I did have to use some high extension mounting plates to get the inset side right. The overlay side was not a problem at all. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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: "Rich" wrote Ok I made a mistake describing my bore for the hinge. I drilled the 35mm cup hole 7/8" from center to edge, leaving about an 1/8"from hole to edge. I'm not that stupid besides if the stile is 2-1/4" how would a 7/8" hole fit if it was from the edge? Anyway guess I'll figure this one on my own and I'm sure getting the right mounting plate starting from the 0 to the 9mm will solve my problem. Only one got it right and that was Nova! Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. There are tables in every package for determining/changing the overlay/inset using this particular distance "B". Check the Blum site for a pdf for each type of hinge. No one who does this more than once attempts to measure from the "center of the cup" ... to do so is sheer idiocy. Not to stir the pot any more, just an FYI. From a Blum package I have in my hand the instructions for a hinge made for a cabinet without facing... "To locate center of hinge cup on back side of door, measure over from edge of door 22.5mm (7/8"). Here drill a 35mm (1- 3/8") diameter by 13mm (1/2") deep hole." For a "face frame hinge" the distance changes to 20.5mm (51/64"). Larry |
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Larry wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in : "Rich" wrote Ok I made a mistake describing my bore for the hinge. I drilled the 35mm cup hole 7/8" from center to edge, leaving about an 1/8"from hole to edge. I'm not that stupid besides if the stile is 2-1/4" how would a 7/8" hole fit if it was from the edge? Anyway guess I'll figure this one on my own and I'm sure getting the right mounting plate starting from the 0 to the 9mm will solve my problem. Only one got it right and that was Nova! Wrong ... The boring distance for a euro style hinge is ALWAYS measured from the edge of the cup to the edge of the door frame. There are tables in every package for determining/changing the overlay/inset using this particular distance "B". Check the Blum site for a pdf for each type of hinge. No one who does this more than once attempts to measure from the "center of the cup" ... to do so is sheer idiocy. Not to stir the pot any more, just an FYI. From a Blum package I have in my hand the instructions for a hinge made for a cabinet without facing... "To locate center of hinge cup on back side of door, measure over from edge of door 22.5mm (7/8"). Here drill a 35mm (1- 3/8") diameter by 13mm (1/2") deep hole." For a "face frame hinge" the distance changes to 20.5mm (51/64"). Larry And I believe you can get mounting plates ranging from 0mm to 9mm in 3mm increments meaning the 2mm difference can be made up easily with the mounting plate differences and the built in adjustments. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
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"Larry" wrote Not to stir the pot any more, just an FYI. From a Blum package I have in my hand the instructions for a hinge made for a cabinet without facing... "To locate center of hinge cup on back side of door, measure over from edge of door 22.5mm (7/8"). Here drill a 35mm (1- 3/8") diameter by 13mm (1/2") deep hole." For a "face frame hinge" the distance changes to 20.5mm (51/64"). Once again ... do this more than once and you will quickly learn to use both the "Overlay" and "Reveal" charts for the different type euro hinges. Both charts use the "bore distance", which is defined as "the distance from the edge of the door to the edge of the hinge cup", and these "bore distances" are specifically _provided_ to make it easy to fine tune the overlay and reveal of your doors, be they overlay or inset. IME, using these charts/tables, based on the "bore distance", will _inarguably_ give you greater flexibility, accuracy, and ease of setting/fine tuning these parameters. But, that said, be my guest should you want to futz around with the "center of cup" measurement if you indeed want to get these parameters spot on, every time, and with ease. Methinks, having done it a time or two, I'll stick with the method where the guess work is already done for me. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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