I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

"sandy" wrote

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Often noted hereabouts is a rather simple, but wise, concept ... decide upon
a woodworking project, then buy the tools you need, as you need them and as
your budget allows, to accomplish the tasks in the project.

That way, at least in theory, you end with only the tools you need for the
type of woodworking you tend to enjoy.

Theory is fine in theory, in practice there will be some/many things/tools
you just won't be able to resist ... don't ask how we all learn this.


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On Feb 24, 10:14*am, "Swingman" wrote:
"sandy" wrote

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. *Thanks! *Appreciate your
opinions.

Often noted hereabouts is a rather simple, but wise, concept ... decide upon
a woodworking project, then buy the tools you need, as you need them and as
your budget allows, to accomplish the tasks in the project.

That way, at least in theory, you end with only the tools you need for the
type of woodworking you tend to enjoy.

Theory is fine in theory, in practice there will be some/many things/tools
you just won't be able to resist ... don't ask how we all learn this.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

I agree with the last post. Decide what project you want to build and
then go get the tools for that project.
If you do this, you will aquire the tools do most of the projects you
want to do.
Always buy the best tools you can afford to buy.
If you are going to make duck decoys, you will need a band saw,
carving knifes, and something like a dremel with a flexable shaft and
bits. A wood burner would be helpful also.
Let me know if I can help?
Randy
http://nokeswoodworks,com

Swingman took a can of maroon spray paint on February 24, 2008 11:14 am and
wrote the following:


Theory is fine in theory, in practice there will be some/many things/tools
you just won't be able to resist ... don't ask how we all learn this.

But once you have that whiz-bang-a-ma-tool-thing, you always seem to get it
involved in almost any project. I have a couple that were needed, I
thought for a one off job, but the rental cost for the estimated time
needed was almost equal to a purchase price, so I bought them. Thinking
reciprocating saw, and portable electric planer here, specifically, but I'm
surprised how often they have been pulled out since.

--
Lits Slut #9
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.

"FrozenNorth" wrote

But once you have that whiz-bang-a-ma-tool-thing, you always seem to get
it
involved in almost any project. I have a couple that were needed, I
thought for a one off job, but the rental cost for the estimated time
needed was almost equal to a purchase price, so I bought them. Thinking
reciprocating saw, and portable electric planer here, specifically, but
I'm
surprised how often they have been pulled out since.

"Build it and they will come ... buy it, and you damn well better use it"

Close?


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Feb 24, 11:05*am, sandy wrote:
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. *I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. *Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). *I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. *Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. *Thanks! *Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Sandy,
This is well worn topic and there are also numerous magazine articles
addressing the question. I would caution you to avoid contracting the
disease, " tool lust ". Its symptom is the need to acquire numerous
exotic tools, jigs, etc. Luckily, its not fatal only discomforting to
the wallet.

Joe G

Swingman took a can of maroon spray paint on February 24, 2008 12:14 pm and
wrote the following:


"FrozenNorth" wrote

But once you have that whiz-bang-a-ma-tool-thing, you always seem to get
it
involved in almost any project. I have a couple that were needed, I
thought for a one off job, but the rental cost for the estimated time
needed was almost equal to a purchase price, so I bought them. Thinking
reciprocating saw, and portable electric planer here, specifically, but
I'm
surprised how often they have been pulled out since.

"Build it and they will come ... buy it, and you damn well better use it"

Close?

Works for me.
;-)

Keeps the wife off my back too, when I can say "Look Hon, glad I bought
this".

--
Lits Slut #9
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.

"sandy" wrote in message

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it.

Off to a good start. Many of us consider the tablesaw the main point to
start with. For a duck decoy, bandsaw and carving equipment would be better
suited, but for those benches, the tablesaw is a big help. I'd recommend
saving up to get a decent contractor type saw, not a small benchtop that
you'll be unhappy with in a year or two. Budget $800 to $1200 for that. Oh,
and get a good blade for it also.

Bandsaw. Get a 14". They are the most versatile for the home shop. The
little benchtop 9" are merely toys.

The rest of the tools, get as you need. Clamps are a good investment.
Consider making or buying a router table. I rarely use the hand held, but
very often use the table mounted router. Get hearing protection too.

You don't always need the best and most expensive tool, but don't buy junk
either.

Shop vac, rulers, tape measure, square, apron, floor mats, etc, make life in
the shop easier. Block plane is very handy, such as the Lee Valley low
angle Don't forget the Lee Valley Saddle square also. I can't imaging
doing woodworking without one.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...936,50298&ap=1

sandy wrote:
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy


Hi Sandy,

My condolences on your loss.

You're at a bit of a crossroads in your
life, but there isn't a wrong road here
- it's more a place to come back to if
you decide the road you've chosen isn't
what you wanted.

I live in the country too and courses
are tough to get to, and I've not gone
to any. This makes the journey longer
and more self-sufficient, but my guess
is that you're up for that.

Running out an buying a bunch of stuff
would make me feel better for a little
while, but that's cause I'm a tool slut.
In the long run, it's wiser to decide
what you need and get it as the time
arises.

Something that has been an absolute joy
for me is Tage Frid's book on
woodworking. From what you describe of
your skill level, he goes beyond that,
but he goes well beyond mine too. The
link is he http://tinyurl.com/2ejld2

I have the soft cover edition, and I
read it nearly every week, one chapter
or another. What I've found is that it
gives me direction and it also gives me
a bit of confidence, even though he was
much more of a craftsman than I'll ever be.

Reading the book is a time-lag on
getting to where you want to go, but it
also prepares you for which direction
will be right for you, whether it's
carving, furniture making or working on
a lathe. It's got some dandy basics that
apply to just about any part of the
hobby you might want to pursue.

Another thing I'd do is stay here, or
work with other forums on the 'Net.
Some guy called us a bunch of
douchebags, but he may have dementia. I
doubt that you'll find a more helpful,
considerate, knowledgable group
anywhere. There is an absolute wealth of
information here, and it's all free for
the asking.

I didn't answer your questions. That was
conscious. The questions you posed will
get their own answers from you when you
decide where you're going. How you get
there is where the knowledge base here
will help you.

FWIW, I have a crappy benchtop table
saw, and a few other questionable tools.
I make them work cause I'm cheap. You
may be able to do the same, or you may
need newer more reliable stuff. Try with
what you have for a bit and then figure
out what you need to buy.

Good luck. Oh, and BTW. You're on a
slippery slope.

--

Tanus

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/

On Feb 24, 12:31*pm, GROVER wrote:
On Feb 24, 11:05*am, sandy wrote:



I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. *I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. *Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). *I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. *Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. *Thanks! *Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Sandy,
This is well worn topic and there are also numerous magazine articles
addressing the question. I would caution you to avoid contracting the
disease, " tool lust ". Its symptom is the need to acquire numerous
exotic tools, jigs, etc. Luckily, its not fatal only discomforting to
the wallet.

Joe G

Grover, Sandy is woman. She's smarter than us. Tool Lust is strictly a
male disease.

"Robatoy" wrote

Grover, Sandy is woman. She's smarter than us. Tool Lust is strictly a
male disease.

Wonder what Renata and Kate would say about that?


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Feb 24, 11:05*am, sandy wrote:
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. *I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. *Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). *I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. *Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. *Thanks! *Appreciate your
opinions.


I think a sturdy contractor-style table saw and a decent router will
get you a long way to being able to handle a lot of jobs. As 1/2"
routers are reasonably common these days, I'd hold out for one of
those. Variable speed is nice too. If you buy a contractor-style table
saw, you can easily build your own 'wing' which will hold your router.
Together with the table saw's fence, it will make a nice compact
'machining centre'. Build a sled for the saw and you're all set for a
lot of projects without breaking the bank. As suggested elsewhere, a
good blade for the saw can turn something mediocre into something
terrific.

A quality jig-saw would be next on my list. Then a biscuit joiner or a
Kreg pocket-hole set up. (They're not completely interchangeable, but
can perform similar functions. You'd need to explore that.)

And lots of books. Look at Lee Valley's website for plans, DO NOT LOOK
AT THEIR TOOLS!!!!!
STEP AWAY FROM MONITOR!!!

I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but doing something he liked doing,
can be very cathartic. Oh, and safety first, okay?

r

From there, a table-top planer

On Feb 24, 1:55*pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote

Grover, Sandy is woman. She's smarter than us. Tool Lust is strictly a
male disease.

Wonder what Renata and Kate would say about that? *


LOL.. that was a bit misogynistic of me wasn't it. I apologise and
stand (sit) corrected.

"sandy" wrote:

snip

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing).

First my condolences for your loss.

Next, forget about buying anything for awhile.

Remember the 10 year old kid with a dime allowance?

Clasped that dime firmly in the hand and did a lot of window shopping before
it grudgingly got spent.

Well picture yourself as that 10 year old kid, do a lot of window shopping,
it is a necessary and fun part of the process.

Get a copy of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht Joinery from either the
library or for $20, buy a copy.

It is a little dated, buy any book that has a chapter, "Happiness is a $5
Table Saw" is definitely worth reading, if you want to continue down the
wood butchering road.

The book will give you a new perspective on tools as well as wood working in
general.

Armed with that information, you will be in a much better position to
determine what, if any, tools you might/must acquire.

Have fun.

Lew

I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Sandy,
This is well worn topic and there are also numerous magazine articles
addressing the question. I would caution you to avoid contracting the
disease, " tool lust ". Its symptom is the need to acquire numerous
exotic tools, jigs, etc. Luckily, its not fatal only discomforting to
the wallet.

Joe G

Grover, Sandy is woman. She's smarter than us. Tool Lust is strictly a
male disease.

Not so fast there!!! My wife has been known to get tool lust on my
behalf...when I go to a tool type store, if she comes in with me, I will
typically wind up buying more than I intended to...sometimes a LOT
more...like a bandsaw worth more when I went into Woodcraft looking to buy
come pen kits...should have been a $25usd trip...ended up over $650.

And no, you can't borrow her...I need her for the NEXT trip to the store!

Mike

"sandy" wrote in message
...
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Others have given some very good counsel for tools and equipment, but I will
go the other way for a moment...

I would start with upgrading your safety equipment before anything else. Get
good glasses that you can wear for several hours at a time. If you can't
wear them all the time, you'll set them down between cuts and lose them. Or
worse...set them down, can't find them and decide that "Oh, it's just a
short cut, I'll go without for now." Next thing is you hoping the medics can
save your eyesight.

Also get a good fullface shield. I wouldn't go with the filtered air type,
just open side if fine for 99% of stuff...unless you take up turning, then
all bets are off on the filtering units and get one of those.

DO NOT use gloves and power tools...I know, but lets hold off on the holy
wars here guys, we're talking about a relative newbie here, so let's just
stick to learning to made sawdust without the blood coloring... I do use
gloves when handling raw stock...I really don't like slivers...but no where
else.

Get a decent first aid kit, because you will get cut and you will have
slivers.

For the shear joy of making wood chips, you might want to think about a good
hand plane. I use tools with tails, but there are times that I just want to
hear the sweet sound of a well tuned plane slicing through a board and
piling the whisper thin shavings around my feet. I've done that for no other
reason than to hear and smell the wood and planed away several inches of
wood.

I, along with just about everyone else here, would like to say that I'm
sorry for your loss and hope that we can help in turning you into a seasoned
termite.

Luck to you
Mike

Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 8:05am (EST-3) (sandy) doth
sayeth:
snip, thought I'd ask the experts for their suggestions. snip

But you screwed up and came here instead, eh? LOL

Duck decoys. I got a book on making them a few weeks ago. But
don't know where it's at, so can't tell you the title. Got it in a used
bookstore. Start hanging out in a good bookstore. Or, your local
library. Need a bandsaw, good knife, carving chiesls, depending on just
how detailed ou want to get.

Router. Make your own table, cheaper, you'll get what you want,
not what some seller thinks you want, and good learning experience.

You can buy clamps, or make cam clamps for almost nothing, unss you
start using fancy wood in them. I used 1/2" plywood and figure they
were probably 25 cents, or less, each.

If you get a late, i'd say get a big one. I got a 37" HF woodlathe
years ago. Still works like a cham, and loads of fun to use. You can't
make big stuff with a small lathe, but you can make small stuff with a
big lathe.

If you plan on making youself rich woodworking, don't quit your day
job yet.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President - Bumper Sticker

I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.

Not so fast there!!! My wife has been known to get tool lust on my
behalf...when I go to a tool type store, if she comes in with me, I will
typically wind up buying more than I intended to...sometimes a LOT
more...like a bandsaw worth more when I went into Woodcraft looking to buy
come pen kits...should have been a $25usd trip...ended up over $650.


Almost makes me wonder what the "REAL" cost of that bandsaw is going to
be. What is she up to????????? Better be careful. :-)

Wayne

Not so fast there!!! My wife has been known to get tool lust on my
behalf...when I go to a tool type store, if she comes in with me, I will
typically wind up buying more than I intended to...sometimes a LOT
more...like a bandsaw worth more when I went into Woodcraft looking to
buy come pen kits...should have been a $25usd trip...ended up over $650.


Almost makes me wonder what the "REAL" cost of that bandsaw is going to
be. What is she up to????????? Better be careful. :-)

Wayne

Actually, it's pretty simple...I can buy just damn near anything I want...as
long as it can fit in the shop and can be used to produce things for her or
our grandson.

That's how I got my big lathe, my Leigh jig, the bandsaw, the jointer,
the...well, you get the idea.

Mike

The Davenport's wrote:
Not so fast there!!! My wife has been known to get tool lust on my
behalf...when I go to a tool type store, if she comes in with me, I will
typically wind up buying more than I intended to...sometimes a LOT
more...like a bandsaw worth more when I went into Woodcraft looking to
buy come pen kits...should have been a $25usd trip...ended up over $650.

Almost makes me wonder what the "REAL" cost of that bandsaw is going to
be. What is she up to????????? Better be careful. :-)

Wayne

Actually, it's pretty simple...I can buy just damn near anything I want...as
long as it can fit in the shop and can be used to produce things for her or
our grandson.

That's how I got my big lathe, my Leigh jig, the bandsaw, the jointer,
the...well, you get the idea.

Mike



Mine is the same - at times.

In the fall, she saw an ad for a lathe
in the local newspaper. "Go get it", she
said. "You've been saying you want one,
and this looks like a good deal."

It was, and I picked it up. Those of you
who have seen pics of my shop know that
there's no way I could get one in there.
It's there.

Every November she gives me a GC for Lee
Valley and off I run to fill out my
birthday wishlist.

She figures good stuff will come out of
that shop that she'll enjoy.

OTOH, when I come home with a truckload
of wood that I couldn't pass by, it's
"How much did THAT cost??"

Some days you're the bug, other days
you're the windsheild.

--

Tanus

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/

Swingman that is actually great advice.

So if you plan your project right you can have them all?

I get more tools when SWMBO asks if I can make this or that.

I have good tool resistance, been married to her for about 2 years!

--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"sandy" wrote

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Often noted hereabouts is a rather simple, but wise, concept ... decide
upon
a woodworking project, then buy the tools you need, as you need them and
as
your budget allows, to accomplish the tasks in the project.

That way, at least in theory, you end with only the tools you need for the
type of woodworking you tend to enjoy.

Theory is fine in theory, in practice there will be some/many things/tools
you just won't be able to resist ... don't ask how we all learn this.


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"The Davenport's" wrote in
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Others have given some very good counsel for tools and equipment, but
I will go the other way for a moment...

I would start with upgrading your safety equipment before anything
else. Get good glasses that you can wear for several hours at a time.
If you can't wear them all the time, you'll set them down between cuts
and lose them. Or worse...set them down, can't find them and decide
that "Oh, it's just a short cut, I'll go without for now." Next thing
is you hoping the medics can save your eyesight.


*snip*


Luck to you
Mike


I'll second the opinion, and add a recommendation of quality hearing
protection. I got a pair of "dumb" (that is, no electronics) headphones
for around $10 at Menards, and they're a decent starting point. Others
here have some with fancy electronics that automatically turn on and off
when they detect certain noises.

Using most hand tools, the hearing protection will probably unnecessary.
Hammers and powered tools, especially in enclosed spaces, usually require
hearing protection.

Puckdropper
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On Feb 24, 11:14 am, "Swingman" wrote:
"sandy" wrote

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Often noted hereabouts is a rather simple, but wise, concept ... decide upon
a woodworking project, then buy the tools you need, as you need them and as
your budget allows, to accomplish the tasks in the project.

That way, at least in theory, you end with only the tools you need for the
type of woodworking you tend to enjoy.

Theory is fine in theory, in practice there will be some/many things/tools
you just won't be able to resist ... don't ask how we all learn this.


This is good advice, but if you have the money and you want to dive
in, then I suggest you buy a nice table saw. It's the woodworkers work
horse - the tool you look to first. After a table saw, every other
tool is a luxury...

Jeff

Others have given some very good counsel for tools and equipment, but
I will go the other way for a moment...

I would start with upgrading your safety equipment before anything
else. Get good glasses that you can wear for several hours at a time.
If you can't wear them all the time, you'll set them down between cuts
and lose them. Or worse...set them down, can't find them and decide
that "Oh, it's just a short cut, I'll go without for now." Next thing
is you hoping the medics can save your eyesight.


*snip*


Luck to you
Mike


I'll second the opinion, and add a recommendation of quality hearing
protection. I got a pair of "dumb" (that is, no electronics) headphones
for around $10 at Menards, and they're a decent starting point. Others
here have some with fancy electronics that automatically turn on and off
when they detect certain noises.

Using most hand tools, the hearing protection will probably unnecessary.
Hammers and powered tools, especially in enclosed spaces, usually require
hearing protection.

Puckdropper

Absolutely...I just forgot to type about the muffs...I use them with ANY
universa motor tool for every cut and table saw, shaper etc., at least most
of the time, but they don't put out the pitch the I'm overly concerned
about.

Mike

Wow. you've gotten so many replies here.. I did not take the time to read
them all, but here's my 2 cents..

Sure.. plan a project.. that works.. but some of my favorite tools..

If you do any case work.. boxes.. bookshelves, a table saw will be real
handy. A contractors type -- where the motor hangs out the back will be
fine. A used one can be had in the 300-500 range. Get the Biesemeyer style
fence. Get that style fence. All brands come with a version of it.

A fun tool is a scrollsaw. Dewalt makes a nice 20" saw that can be had for
around 300 used. It's just a fun saw to play with. You'll be mostly making
small items, but you can get as crafty as you want. I just got one and it's
a blast. And the kids/grandkids can use it. Very safe tool.

Buy a nice jigsaw for curved cuts.

Buy a dust collector with 1 micron filtration unless you are going to be
blowing the dust outside. See Bill Pentz website. This is important for
all but the scrollsaw. Take this seriously. Breathing all that fine dust
is not good.

Buy a router.. 2 HP or so. Use it handheld, or mount in on the underside of
a table. You can make a table.

Consider a miter box - non slider, 10 or 12 inch. The tablesaw can do all
that , but the miter saw comes in handy and great for rough sizing stock.

Consider a bandsaw - especially if you want to cut down thicker stock into
thinner stock. It's also handy for curved cuts (though a handheld jigsaw
will work also).

Consider a portable planer - useful for making flat stock thinner. Need to
have flat stock, so either buy flat stock, or buy a jointer to make flat
stock.

Consider a jointer - to make stock flat. You don't need this if you are
buying flat and square stock. But if you get rough stock or do some
resawing on the bandsaw, you may want to consider it.

Forget the radial arm saw. Just use your tablesaw and make a crosscut box.

Get some good measuring tools -- tape measure, 6" steel rule, engineers
square, combo square.

Some folks are big into hand planing. I haven't been sucked in yet.. but
it's worthwhile to consider.

I'd shop the classifieds, craigslist, etc to get some good used equipment.
You can probably save 50% or better. But you might need to read up a bit on
each tool before shopping. There are a lot of great buys on used tools if
you live near a large metro area.

Enjoy the hobby.. and very sorry to hear about your hubby. Blessings to
you.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

Remember the 10 year old kid with a dime allowance?

Clasped that dime firmly in the hand and did a lot of window shopping
before it grudgingly got spent.

Grin, thats me and good advice. I currently lack a few tools that would be
awful nice to have but am probably a novice for this level of forum. I've
been lurking the past week and looking stuff up that caught my fancy. I
can't say as I 'need' many more things than we have, but we get them as we
find a 'true need' to finish a job. Mostly, home repair after renters did a
number on us.

That said, there's quite a few spiffy tools I'd 'desire' and use if I had
them! I want a better hand tool for example that scrapes off thin shears of
wood when fine tuning sizes of doors (sorry, forgot the name for the moment
of these. I want to call it a hand lathe but I think thats might not be
right name for it? Flat metal plane with a blade that sticks out a little
and you run it along the wood to shave off small amounts til it fits right).
What I 'need' are some new blades for the one I have. What I 'desire' is
also a smaller lighter unit for smaller jobs.

Hi Sandy, and welcome.

If you've made it down to this posting then you'll have already read many
other good suggestions. I'll add mine:

I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some

Sounds to me like you're well on your way.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

A good quality blade on the circular saw should do nicely. You can use it to
cut up large sheet goods into manageable sizes for cutting more accurately on
a table saw. Quality sand paper will improve your tabletop sander's
performance a wee bit until you choose to upgrade the machine.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....

I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it.

For the window seats you'll likely use sheet goods (plywood or MDF). Many
people will agree that a table saw is a primary tool in a wood shop for
cutting this kind of stock. I have a large, industrial Delta Unisaw with a
52" rip capacity but it's too large for the shop I'm in at the moment, so
I've placed it in storage. I'd like to suggest that you consider the saw I'm
currently using, a Ridgid TS2400LS. It's a contractor's portable table saw
and can be found at construction sites all over the country. Here's a link to
a short video about this saw, but note that it's displaying an older version
(there have been a few improvements):

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZd-qWWlNE

It has a built in, direct drive motor, but with soft start technology it
offers all the power you can expect from a standard house circuit. It's well
designed, easy to adjust, very portable and easily stores in a small
footprint if space is a concern. And the arbour shaft was designed to accept
a dado blade, as you'd mentioned you'd like to use. Consider buying a good
quality, 80 tooth blade for smooth cuts in plywood, MDF and melamine and use
the standard blade it comes with for rough cutting. Here's a review that
explains all the features of this tool:

http://www.asktooltalk.com/reviews/s...-table-saw.php

And here's a link to The Home Depot where it's sold:

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=1&Dx=mode+matchall&catal ogId=10051&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall&Ne=9&N=113383&l angId=-15&catNav=3&storeId=10051&Ntk=level1&cm_ven=hdca_g oog&cm_cat=Search&cm_pla=D-25&cm_ite=bid10500830&&s_kwcid=ridgid%20table%20sa ws|1177216817&gclid=COX3quXs3pECFRGoGgodp1y_gA


I don't know what the rest of the group's opinion is of this saw, but I've
used it extensively for the past 3 years and have been very pleased with its
performance. Of course there are other fine products out there... but this is
my recommendation.

Years ago I'd used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

Radial arms saws have fallen out of fashion, for a number of reasons, safety
issues being most prominent. Try out a sliding compound miter saw and you'll
forget about the radial.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Others have recommended getting books and magazines to help with the learning
curve. I strongly support their views. Your library should be a good starting
point and I'd suggest looking for books that are specific to the tools you'll
be using (how to use and set up a table saw; how to use a router; etc.)
Many of those publications will also explain how to make and use jigs and
fixtures for the specific tools. Like most of us, you'll make jigs and
fixtures to make the processes more efficient and repeatable.

Shop safety has been mentioned before, but it's worth repeating. Safety
glasses and a face shield, hearing protection and an effective dust mask are
a must to protect your health. And keep some bandaids, antiseptic ointment
and tweezers handy in the workshop. You're gonna need 'em! lol

I hope you'll find this information useful and I look forward to seeing some
of your projects posted here in the future.

Cheers.

Michael

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:26:48 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:


I'll second the opinion, and add a recommendation of quality hearing
protection. I got a pair of "dumb" (that is, no electronics) headphones
for around $10 at Menards, and they're a decent starting point.

The best ear protectors I have, from a comfort and rating standpoint,
are $15 Peltor muffs.

The electronic gadgets add convenience, but often have lower
protection ratings.

On Feb 24, 1:35*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 24, 12:31*pm, GROVER wrote:





On Feb 24, 11:05*am, sandy wrote:

I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. *I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. *Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). *I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. *Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. *Thanks! *Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Sandy,
This is well worn topic and there are also numerous magazine articles
addressing the question. I would caution you to avoid contracting the
disease, " tool lust ". Its symptom is the need to acquire numerous
exotic tools, jigs, etc. Luckily, its not fatal only discomforting to
the wallet.

Joe G

Grover, Sandy is woman. She's smarter than us. Tool Lust is strictly a
male disease.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To Robatoy,
You are correct about Sandy's gender but new university research
points to the possibility that "Tool Lust" is comminicable to the
female of the species.

Joe G

First thing, and I'm putting this above everything, if you have long
hair, then figure out how you're going to keep it out of the tools and
do that _religously_. If you don't trust yourself to secure it
_every_ time then get it cut to shoulder length or less. Why? The
first time you see something turning 30,000 RPM climbing your hair
toward your face you'll know. Been there, done that, don't want
_anybody_ (except maybe Osama) to repeat it.

sandy wrote:
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools
and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently
passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself
so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago
I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought
I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Do a project, buy what you need, but when you do, always consider what
else you could do with it.

Here's another discussion of this topic that I think is pretty good
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.w...1815bc938dd2f3

If you've got room for it get a decent sized air compressor up front.
It will save you money in the long run--I spent more than the price of
the compressor working around its lack before I finally got pushed off
center to get the thing. You mentioned carving--a little 10 buck
"micro die grinder" from Harbor Freight takes Dremel bits, but turns
almost twice as fast, has more torque, never overheats, never fills up
with sawdust, and is about a quarter the size of a Dremel. The air
hose has more flex than a flex shaft too. One of the best bargains
there is in a power-carving tool, but one reason it's so cheap is that
it depends on the compressor for power.

On saws, a _good_ radial arm is a lovely tool to have. But to get a
_good_ one you're pretty much going to be looking for used unless you
can afford to put several thousand dollars into it. The catch with
them is that the lower end models go out of alignment with deplorable
regularity. I _strongly_ recommend that _before_ you buy an RAS you
read both Jon Eakes "Fine Tuning Your Radial Arm Saw" (contained in
PDF form on the DVD "Stationary Saws with Jon Eakes"
http://joneakes.com/dvd) and the Mr. Sawdust book
http://www.mrsawdust.com/. A good sliding compound miter saw and good
table saw can be had new for less than the price of a _good_ _new_
radial arm saw and between them will do most of what the RAS will do.

If you get a router, you really should get or build a router table (a
good simple project by the way) and some kind of precision positioner
is very convenient--Rockler has the original Incra jig for 100 bucks
or you can get one of the newer ones with more cutting range and finer
adjustement for a lot more.

Clamps--get more than one kind and a variety of sizes.

Regular bar clamps such as the Bessey Tradesman are your real
workhorses IMO. Come in sizes long enough to cover most project
ranges, some have extended reach, can be had inexpensively from a
number of sources.

You'll see recommendations for Bessey K bodies (note that the K is
different from the Tradesman). They are very useful tools, a couple
of long ones and a couple of medium size will do all sorts of things
for you but if they're the only kind of clamp you have you'll run into
situations that they won't handle gracefully. If you get Besseys (any
Bessey), the first thing you want to do is _wax_ them--for some reason
Titebond and other common wood glues stick like crazy to the things,
more to the metal parts than to the plastic but it's not all that easy
to get off the plastic.

Some handscrews will be very useful. Nice thing about them is that
they'll hold odd-shaped stock and clamp at angles.

One thing that gets pooh-poohed by a lot of people is the Irwin
Quik-Grip one handed bar clamps. I find them incredibly handy--they
aren't the tool you grab when you need lots of precisely applied
pressure but they're perfect for holding a stop block in place or
holding an assembly until you can get the big clamps on it or all
sorts of other stuff where you need three or four hands. When you get
those, _clean_ the bars with lacquer thinner--any oil or grease or wax
on them will make them slip, and I've had brand new ones in sealed
packages that were oiled up like crazy--I suspect that their bad
reputation in part comes from that. I'd at least get a couple of the
"minis" (the "micros" are too small for general work of any kind, but
I suspect that they're lovely for model making).

Woodcraft normally has a "15 piece professional clamp set" in stock
for 20 bucks. The quality is distinctly Harbor Freight, but they are
usable--do inspect carefully, file or grind down any big bumps on the
faces, and clean and lubricate the screws. They're never the first
clamps I grab but when I'm out of the "good clamps" I'm damned glad I
spent the 20 bucks.

Something most people don't think about is cordless tool _systems_.
If you're tempted to buy a cordless _anything_ don't just look at the
tool, look at the others that use the same battery. I just happened
by chance to get an 18v deWalt about ten years back, and that proved
to be fortuitous, because not only do the same battery and charger
work with lots of other deWalt tools but now I can go to lithium ion
technology without buying anything new except batteries and charger.




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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Thank you everybody for all your suggestions. I'm cheap too and have
been managing with a really crappy tablesaw with a blade that I'm
guessing hasn't been replaced in 20 years!!! I'm thinking that your
suggestion of getting a good tablesaw is a good idea and will put that
at the top of my list. Well....maybe 2nd on the list; I've put safety
equipment at the number one slot (my protective goggles have such a
worn out band that they've been known to fall off in the middle of
sawing something)

And yes, "tool lust" DOES infect us too! Glad to hear that it is
rarely fatal!

Sandy

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:05:08 -0800 (PST), sandy
wrote:

I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Sandy

Well Sandy you have a lot of choices here. The goggles are a wise
investment, and anything you do for dust control is well worth
protecting your lungs. A saber saw is great for curves and a good
choice until you can get a bandsaw. Duck decoys will require some
carving tools, possibly an odd clamping device (perhaps you can make
one!), and a Dremmel can be useful. A good table saw is a very
important power tool. Most hand tools will be useful long after you
acquire power tools. Add quality tools as you need them, rather than
what you think you need and you'll save some $$$. Fine Woodworking
magazine has some tool reviews (once a year) that can be helpful.
Sorry to hear about your hubby. HTH

sandy wrote:
Thank you everybody for all your suggestions. I'm cheap too and
have
been managing with a really crappy tablesaw with a blade that I'm
guessing hasn't been replaced in 20 years!!! I'm thinking that your
suggestion of getting a good tablesaw is a good idea and will put
that
at the top of my list. Well....maybe 2nd on the list; I've put
safety
equipment at the number one slot (my protective goggles have such a
worn out band that they've been known to fall off in the middle of
sawing something)

Definitely don't want that. Get good goggles or a face shield or
both. And when the goggles either don't stay tight or get scratched
enough to interfere with vision, replace them.


And yes, "tool lust" DOES infect us too! Glad to hear that it is
rarely fatal!

Sandy

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You've already found one of the best resources for woodworking - the
library. If you have a county-wide system you might want to visit the
other libraries it has. Mine has Taunton Press videos and any book I
could want. If they don't have a book I'd like the I just ask and in
a couple of weeks they buy it for me. Saves lots of $$$

Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 7:31am (EST-3) (sandy) doth sayeth:
snip I'm cheap too and have been managing with a really crappy
tablesaw with a blade that I'm guessing hasn't been replaced in 20
years!!! snip

I'm not cheap myself, just frugel. Your saw might just need a new
blade. My saw is a HF model, consistent cuts, and with a $10 carbide
tipped blade from Big Lots, works just fine - especially with a saw
sled. I prefer a full face shield over goggles. And stay out of line
with the blade when cutting on the tablesaw. I've never had kickback
myself, but I pay a LOT of attention to my safety, and use a saw sled,
or stand out of line, just in case. Yeah, I'd get a big ol' tablesaw, IF
I had more room, but don't, and the HF does the job, so I'll stick with
it for now. I'd like a big ol' floor model bandsaw too, but lack of
room again, and my bench model works. Nice 16" scrollsaw, not top of
the line, but works just fine. Wood lathe, HF, paid about $120 new,
works fine. Just look around before you buy.



JOAT
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I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.

Brilliant thought..

I have daughters with long hair.. and I've been thinking they might like to
do some shop projects.

This could be a life saver!


"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
First thing, and I'm putting this above everything, if you have long
hair, then figure out how you're going to keep it out of the tools and
do that _religously_. If you don't trust yourself to secure it
_every_ time then get it cut to shoulder length or less. Why? The
first time you see something turning 30,000 RPM climbing your hair
toward your face you'll know. Been there, done that, don't want
_anybody_ (except maybe Osama) to repeat it.

sandy wrote:
I've recently taken up playing with our limited woodworking tools
and
have made several elaborate birdhouses, a storage box and some coat/
hat racks. I've really been enjoying it and would like to buy some
tools that would make this new hobby more fun. Hubby recently
passed
away and I wish I'd bothered to learn more.

I currently have 3 drills, a circular saw (old), a cheapie table saw
that is really just a circular saw hitched up to a table, saber saw
and an inexpensive tabletop sander.

I'd like to try my hand at making duck decoys, making some window
seats and I'm not really sure what else....but I'm enjoying myself
so
much, I'm sure I'll think of something.

I'd appreciate some suggestions as to what tools I might consider
adding (or replacing). I've been thinking of getting some better
safety goggles, a band saw and a router and maybe a bunch of clamps.
I'd also really like something with a dado blade on it. Years ago
I'd
used a radial arm saw and really liked it but I'm not sure if that
would be too much for me to consider at this point.

I live way out in the country and there are no classes on woodworkng
locally so I'm basically on my own with a little verbal help from
neighbors and of course the library.

Rather than just running out and buying a bunch of stuff, thought
I'd
ask the experts for their suggestions. Thanks! Appreciate your
opinions.

Do a project, buy what you need, but when you do, always consider what
else you could do with it.

Here's another discussion of this topic that I think is pretty good
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.w...1815bc938dd2f3

If you've got room for it get a decent sized air compressor up front.
It will save you money in the long run--I spent more than the price of
the compressor working around its lack before I finally got pushed off
center to get the thing. You mentioned carving--a little 10 buck
"micro die grinder" from Harbor Freight takes Dremel bits, but turns
almost twice as fast, has more torque, never overheats, never fills up
with sawdust, and is about a quarter the size of a Dremel. The air
hose has more flex than a flex shaft too. One of the best bargains
there is in a power-carving tool, but one reason it's so cheap is that
it depends on the compressor for power.

On saws, a _good_ radial arm is a lovely tool to have. But to get a
_good_ one you're pretty much going to be looking for used unless you
can afford to put several thousand dollars into it. The catch with
them is that the lower end models go out of alignment with deplorable
regularity. I _strongly_ recommend that _before_ you buy an RAS you
read both Jon Eakes "Fine Tuning Your Radial Arm Saw" (contained in
PDF form on the DVD "Stationary Saws with Jon Eakes"
http://joneakes.com/dvd) and the Mr. Sawdust book
http://www.mrsawdust.com/. A good sliding compound miter saw and good
table saw can be had new for less than the price of a _good_ _new_
radial arm saw and between them will do most of what the RAS will do.

If you get a router, you really should get or build a router table (a
good simple project by the way) and some kind of precision positioner
is very convenient--Rockler has the original Incra jig for 100 bucks
or you can get one of the newer ones with more cutting range and finer
adjustement for a lot more.

Clamps--get more than one kind and a variety of sizes.

Regular bar clamps such as the Bessey Tradesman are your real
workhorses IMO. Come in sizes long enough to cover most project
ranges, some have extended reach, can be had inexpensively from a
number of sources.

You'll see recommendations for Bessey K bodies (note that the K is
different from the Tradesman). They are very useful tools, a couple
of long ones and a couple of medium size will do all sorts of things
for you but if they're the only kind of clamp you have you'll run into
situations that they won't handle gracefully. If you get Besseys (any
Bessey), the first thing you want to do is _wax_ them--for some reason
Titebond and other common wood glues stick like crazy to the things,
more to the metal parts than to the plastic but it's not all that easy
to get off the plastic.

Some handscrews will be very useful. Nice thing about them is that
they'll hold odd-shaped stock and clamp at angles.

One thing that gets pooh-poohed by a lot of people is the Irwin
Quik-Grip one handed bar clamps. I find them incredibly handy--they
aren't the tool you grab when you need lots of precisely applied
pressure but they're perfect for holding a stop block in place or
holding an assembly until you can get the big clamps on it or all
sorts of other stuff where you need three or four hands. When you get
those, _clean_ the bars with lacquer thinner--any oil or grease or wax
on them will make them slip, and I've had brand new ones in sealed
packages that were oiled up like crazy--I suspect that their bad
reputation in part comes from that. I'd at least get a couple of the
"minis" (the "micros" are too small for general work of any kind, but
I suspect that they're lovely for model making).

Woodcraft normally has a "15 piece professional clamp set" in stock
for 20 bucks. The quality is distinctly Harbor Freight, but they are
usable--do inspect carefully, file or grind down any big bumps on the
faces, and clean and lubricate the screws. They're never the first
clamps I grab but when I'm out of the "good clamps" I'm damned glad I
spent the 20 bucks.

Something most people don't think about is cordless tool _systems_.
If you're tempted to buy a cordless _anything_ don't just look at the
tool, look at the others that use the same battery. I just happened
by chance to get an 18v deWalt about ten years back, and that proved
to be fortuitous, because not only do the same battery and charger
work with lots of other deWalt tools but now I can go to lithium ion
technology without buying anything new except batteries and charger.




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--John
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sandy wrote:
snip

And yes, "tool lust" DOES infect us too! Glad to hear that it is
rarely fatal!

Sandy


If that's the case, try he
www.leevalley.com.

It's far and above my favourite store,
online or otherwise. You're somewhere
between being a hand tool enthusiast and
a power tool fan. Lee Valley has a ton
of handtools, most of excellent quality.
It doesn't sell power tools (or not very
many) but it has a bunch of things that
accessorize power tools.


--

Tanus

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/

On Feb 26, 9:24*am, David Starr wrote:
sandy wrote:
Thank you everybody for all your suggestions. *I'm cheap too and have
been managing with a really crappy tablesaw with a blade that I'm
guessing hasn't been replaced in 20 years!!! *I'm thinking that your
suggestion of getting a good tablesaw is a good idea and will put that
at the top of my list. *Well....maybe 2nd on the list; I've put safety
equipment at the number one slot (my protective goggles have such a
worn out band that they've been known to fall off in the middle of
sawing something)

And yes, "tool lust" DOES infect us too! *Glad to hear that it is
rarely fatal!

Sandy

* *As you can see, tools are a subject dear to the heart of every
woodworker. *Here is my two cents worth.
1. *Look for used. *Good tools last for ever, and used ones are so much
much cheaper than new that the search is worth the effort. *Yard sales
are good. *Craig's list and E bay work. *Up here we have the "guy's
stuff" auction over in West Ossippee every three months where tools
(also cars, snow machines, and boats) sell for cents on the dollar. *I
scored a router for $35 and a pair of pad sanders for $25.
2. *Tablesaw and radial arm saw do about the same jobs. *Unless you have
lots of space, I'd get one or the other, but not both. *I use a radial
arm saw myself, but many people like table saws. *Both machines will
drive a dado. *Radial arm saw is better at cross cutting long boards and
takes up less room in the shop, a table saw will do finger lap joints,
useful for boxes and such. Both machines show up regularly on Craigs
List in the $100-$200 range. *Big and heavy and cast iron are marks of
quality. *I think 10 inch is the right size for the home shop.
3. My favorite book is "Power Tools" by R.J. DeChristoforo. *The tiny
town library up here in Franconia has a copy, and your library may too.
There are a load ofwoodworking magazines out there. *I subscribed to
one, and now I get "Please subscribe to me" junk mail from all the
others. *The pictures of projects are inspirational, and the ads for
tools are fun to read.
4. Sharp makes a quality tool. *A new sharp carbide blade can turn a
clunker into a decent tool. *Sharpening stones and a bench grinder are
good. *Yard sale tools always need sharpening.
5. *I'm in the market for a bandsaw myself. *I want it for cutting
curves andresawing. *A 12" model on Craig's list got away from me last
week, although I'd rather have something a little bigger.

--
David J. Starr

Blog: *www.newsnorthwoods.blogspot.com

We must first agree that no one in this group is a wood worker. We are
all tools buyers, that's our hobby. We only build thing out of shear
embrassment that we have all those tools and our swmbo would go crazy
if we didn't build something. After about 7 years of buying every tool
I could I started feeling guilty si I started building stuff for the
wife. This way if I need a tool to complete the project for her she
makes me go get it. Life is wonderful. Here are a few of the projects
I built for her. www.howardboehm.com