How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint
off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?


TIA

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:53:11 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint
off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?


What kind of paint? Lead may be present.

Personally, if I was relatively sure no lead paint was present, I
would probably strip the paint with a belt sander, then plane it.

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I believe it may have lead. I took off the moldings and smelled lead.


"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:53:11 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the
paint
off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?


What kind of paint? Lead may be present.

Personally, if I was relatively sure no lead paint was present, I
would probably strip the paint with a belt sander, then plane it.

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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------

"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
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How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the
paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?

A lot of paint contains solids that will literally eat the knives of a
planer... I'd plane the unpainted side and hide the painted side.

John

Thanx, that I can do since the painted side wont be seen at all.


"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
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"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the
paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?

A lot of paint contains solids that will literally eat the knives of a
planer... I'd plane the unpainted side and hide the painted side.

John

noreaster wrote:
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint
off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?

If it's not critical to get the paint off (ie you're not gluing it and
the back side isn't visible) then leaving the paint on is likely your
best bet.

Alternately, you could just shave off a sixteenth with a big flat bit in
your router. The carbide will hold up to the paint better than steel
planer knives.

I've also done it with scrapers and an angle grinder, although with
abrasives I'm worried that some of it will get stuck in the wood and
nick the planer blades.

Chris

On Sep 8, 3:53 pm, "noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint
off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?

I'd take it outside and hit it with Zip-Strip. Fast and easy. With
painted wood, hidden nails are as much a hazard to your tooling
as abrasive paint. If you're using carbide cutters, nails are also
liable to create shrapnel, particularly hardened masonry nails.

Good idea with the router, bits are cheaper and end result would be less
damage to tools.
The other side wont be seen at all and would be screwed in.

"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
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noreaster wrote:
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the
paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?

If it's not critical to get the paint off (ie you're not gluing it and the
back side isn't visible) then leaving the paint on is likely your best
bet.

Alternately, you could just shave off a sixteenth with a big flat bit in
your router. The carbide will hold up to the paint better than steel
planer knives.

I've also done it with scrapers and an angle grinder, although with
abrasives I'm worried that some of it will get stuck in the wood and nick
the planer blades.

Chris

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:05:54 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

I believe it may have lead. I took off the moldings and smelled lead.


What does lead paint smell like?

Pete

John Grossbohlin wrote:
"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting
the paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original
wood. Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and
install it with the clean side out?

A lot of paint contains solids that will literally eat the knives
of a planer...

I'm not doubting you because I don't know but what could be in paint
that would damage steel knives? Not the oil...not the
resin...titanium dioxide?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the clean side out?


TIA

Start with paint stripper and a scraper. It also keeps the paint in one peice and dust-free so it can
be safely disposed of, and it sounds like the wood is flat sided.
Once you can see wood you can tell if there are nails. Get those out or punch them in deep before
using your planer.

Does anyone know, was lead just used in glosses and topcoats, or do you find it in undercoats and
primers too?

"Dave Gordon" d@p wrote in message
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"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the
paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the
clean side out?


TIA

Start with paint stripper and a scraper. It also keeps the paint in one
peice and dust-free so it can be safely disposed of, and it sounds like
the wood is flat sided.
Once you can see wood you can tell if there are nails. Get those out or
punch them in deep before using your planer.

Does anyone know, was lead just used in glosses and topcoats, or do you
find it in undercoats and primers too?

A set of planer blades costs me about $45,00. So I remove the paint before
using the planer.
I do not like to remove paint. It may contain lead and other stuff.

When it is necessary, I use a hot electric iron or a hot air gun. If the
coating is very thick, I use a flexible blade scraper.

When the coating of paint is not as thick and more so with latex paint I use
a normal scraper and I maintain a sharp edge and angle with a ******* when
the scrapper becomes dull. I is useful to have various sizes and shape of
crappers.

I have use carbide blade with some degree of satisfaction. The problem is
to re-sharpen the edge.

"dadiOH" wrote in message
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John Grossbohlin wrote:
"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting
the paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original
wood. Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and
install it with the clean side out?

A lot of paint contains solids that will literally eat the knives
of a planer...

I'm not doubting you because I don't know but what could be in paint
that would damage steel knives? Not the oil...not the
resin...titanium dioxide?

Silica (basically sand) calcium carbonate, talc, and kaolin gives paint it's
body and durability these days. The silica in particular acts as an abrasive
and wears jointer and planer knives quickly and the other fillers aren't
much kinder.

The last time I tried to run painted wood through my jointer will be the
last time. I thought I could get away with jointing the edges of a
pre-primed board that had been ripped on the table saw. Wrong... I ended up
with two grooves worn in the knives that left humps in the surface of the
boards run over it later.

http://www.u-s-silica.com/groundsilica.htm
http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-59277.html

John

In article , wrote:

I do not like to remove paint. It may contain lead and other stuff.

When it is necessary, I use a hot electric iron or a hot air gun.

If you're concerned about lead, removing it with heat isn't the wisest way to
go about it. Chemical strippers and chem-resistant gloves would be a better
idea.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

I do not like to remove paint. It may contain lead and other stuff.

When it is necessary, I use a hot electric iron or a hot air gun.

If you're concerned about lead, removing it with heat isn't the wisest way
to
go about it. Chemical strippers and chem-resistant gloves would be a
better
idea.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Each case has to be analysed. Each project is handled differently. A 50
years old plus exterior front door used on a house compare to an old French
finish on a walnut dinning set are very different. As much as I can I try
to avoid using chemical. I do not use heat all the time and when I do I
wear a proper mask. Most of the jobs are done with hand scrapers of various
shapes and configurations. I have used chemicals and learned that using
scrapers takes me about the same time or better.

Like Lead. It has a sweetesh metal smell/taste, if you can smell/taste
it you have a real problem case.
wrote in message ...
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:05:54 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

I believe it may have lead. I took off the moldings and smelled lead.


What does lead paint smell like?

Pete

On Sep 8, 6:33 pm, "Dave Gordon" d@p wrote:
"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message

...

How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting the paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original wood.
Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and install it with the clean side out?

TIA

Start with paint stripper and a scraper. It also keeps the paint in one peice and dust-free so it can
be safely disposed of, and it sounds like the wood is flat sided.
Once you can see wood you can tell if there are nails. Get those out or punch them in deep before
using your planer.

Does anyone know, was lead just used in glosses and topcoats, or do you find it in undercoats and
primers too?

Ddin't know it was used in clear topcoats, but it was used to
make very stable very opaque white lead, yellow lead, and red lead
pigments.

John Grossbohlin wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:%vEEi.2277$He1.727@trnddc03...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
How much damage would it be to the electric planer blades getting
the paint off 4/4's?
I would like to shave it down to 3/4's trying to use the original
wood. Or would it be better to shave off the clean side and
install it with the clean side out?

A lot of paint contains solids that will literally eat the knives
of a planer...

I'm not doubting you because I don't know but what could be in
paint that would damage steel knives? Not the oil...not the
resin...titanium dioxide?

Silica (basically sand) calcium carbonate, talc, and kaolin gives
paint it's body and durability these days. The silica in particular
acts as an abrasive and wears jointer and planer knives quickly and
the other fillers aren't much kinder.

The last time I tried to run painted wood through my jointer will
be the last time. I thought I could get away with jointing the
edges of a pre-primed board that had been ripped on the table saw.
Wrong... I ended up with two grooves worn in the knives that left
humps in the surface of the boards run over it later.

http://www.u-s-silica.com/groundsilica.htm

http://www.innovations-report.com/ht..._science/repor
t-59277.html

Calcium carbonate, talc, and kaolin are all very soft, aren't going to
do anything to steel. Silica is a different story. Thanks for the
answer and links.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

I cant explain the smell but I do notice it when the paint chips come off.
I rather not taste it.


"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
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Like Lead. It has a sweetesh metal smell/taste, if you can
smell/taste it you have a real problem case.
wrote in message ...
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:05:54 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

I believe it may have lead. I took off the moldings and smelled lead.


What does lead paint smell like?

Pete

I had used chemical before to get the old paint off, man that stuff was so
nasty.


wrote in message
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

I do not like to remove paint. It may contain lead and other stuff.

When it is necessary, I use a hot electric iron or a hot air gun.

If you're concerned about lead, removing it with heat isn't the wisest
way to
go about it. Chemical strippers and chem-resistant gloves would be a
better
idea.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Each case has to be analysed. Each project is handled differently. A
50 years old plus exterior front door used on a house compare to an old
French finish on a walnut dinning set are very different. As much as I
can I try to avoid using chemical. I do not use heat all the time and
when I do I wear a proper mask. Most of the jobs are done with hand
scrapers of various shapes and configurations. I have used chemicals and
learned that using scrapers takes me about the same time or better.

"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
t...
I had used chemical before to get the old paint off, man that stuff was so
nasty.


wrote in message
...

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

I do not like to remove paint. It may contain lead and other stuff.

When it is necessary, I use a hot electric iron or a hot air gun.

If you're concerned about lead, removing it with heat isn't the wisest
way to
go about it. Chemical strippers and chem-resistant gloves would be a
better
idea.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Each case has to be analysed. Each project is handled differently. A
50 years old plus exterior front door used on a house compare to an old
French finish on a walnut dinning set are very different. As much as I
can I try to avoid using chemical. I do not use heat all the time and
when I do I wear a proper mask. Most of the jobs are done with hand
scrapers of various shapes and configurations. I have used chemicals and
learned that using scrapers takes me about the same time or better.


I had used chemical before to get the old paint off, man that stuff was so
nasty.

So nasty and I have to be careful not to rub my eyes with my fingers.

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"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
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I had used chemical before to get the old paint off, man that stuff was so nasty.

So nasty and I have to be careful not to rub my eyes with my fingers.


Yeah but you'd do the same if you had treacle on your hands, or had handled chillis. No need to be
frightened of this stuff.
The remover that is a jelly consistency is not so bad. Wear gloves if you feel you need it, but
usually its enough to just wash your hands in running water if you get more than just drops on your
hands, mainly to avoid touching painted surfaces you want to keep.

When I first painted the front doorway with 2 side windows, the paint
remover was jelly like, just made sure I covered all the spots, let it sit
and easily scrap off. That stuff was so nasty, I hope I wont have to do that
again. I did use gloves and had my shirt over my mouth, breathed as little
as possible.I do have a respirator which helps a lot with the pvc cement and
primer, wood dust and spray paint.


"Dave Gordon" d@p wrote in message
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wrote in message
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"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
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I had used chemical before to get the old paint off, man that stuff was
so nasty.

So nasty and I have to be careful not to rub my eyes with my fingers.


Yeah but you'd do the same if you had treacle on your hands, or had
handled chillis. No need to be frightened of this stuff.
The remover that is a jelly consistency is not so bad. Wear gloves if you
feel you need it, but usually its enough to just wash your hands in
running water if you get more than just drops on your hands, mainly to
avoid touching painted surfaces you want to keep.

For me it's both a smell/taste thing at the same time. I agree it's hard to
explain, you get the same sensation when you melt lead. Hard to explain but
unforgettable.
"noreaster" noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote in message
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I cant explain the smell but I do notice it when the paint chips come off.
I rather not taste it.


"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
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Like Lead. It has a sweetesh metal smell/taste, if you can
smell/taste it you have a real problem case.
wrote in message ...
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:05:54 -0400, "noreaster"
noreaster1athotmaildotcom wrote:

I believe it may have lead. I took off the moldings and smelled lead.


What does lead paint smell like?

Pete