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A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would
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In article , Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. If I could buy only one, it would be the planer: - with proper jigs and fixtures, you can face-joint on a planer - with proper jigs and fixtures, you can edge-joint on a table saw - ain't no way you can thickness-plane anything on a jointer. If you can buy both, do so. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"samson" wrote in message ... In article , says... A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Joiner. Many, many more uses for a joiner. S. Yeah that was helpful. And he is asking about a joinTer not a joiner. |
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"Sparky" wrote in message . .. A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Planer |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I got a combi unit. I don't know if you can get one in the US anymore though. Mine was a Makita planer and jointer. Not a helpful answer. I would choose a planer first. I can get a straight edge on a board with a hand plane to rough in and a table saw. Or a router and straight edge. |
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On Jul 25, 2:20?pm, Jim Behning
wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I got a combi unit. I don't know if you can get one in the US anymore though. Mine was a Makita planer and jointer. Not a helpful answer. I would choose a planer first. I can get a straight edge on a board with a hand plane to rough in and a table saw. Or a router and straight edge. Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? FoggyTown |
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FoggyTown wrote:
On Jul 25, 2:20?pm, Jim Behning wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I got a combi unit. I don't know if you can get one in the US anymore though. Mine was a Makita planer and jointer. Not a helpful answer. I would choose a planer first. I can get a straight edge on a board with a hand plane to rough in and a table saw. Or a router and straight edge. Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Not if the two surfaces wind up parallel. They often don't. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. As you see, you get a difference of opinion... I'll go along w/ both w/ "depends"... On what your work habits are and what your more pressing need is. They are, imo, complementary and for the work I do and the stock I use, I wouldn't want to be without either. _But_, if I were forced to choose one only, I would probably take the jointer initially. I say that based on the fact that was the way I started and I did get along. That time was, of course, long before the day of the large router and I didn't have a tablesaw but a RAS at the time so edges were more problematical other than all neanderthal... On the "jointing" by planer, I suppose one can manage w/ enough gyrations and jigs, etc., but isn't very effective imo. The planer feed rolls will mash anything thin flat as it goes through, so unless the board is flat but just two faces out of parallel, it won't help much on getting an initial surface. It's possible to shim and all, but far more work. Again, this is tempered by having an old "heavy iron" planer, not one of the modern lightweight guys -- it may be their roller pressure isn't so likely for a larger class of stock, I don't know. -- |
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"Sparky" wrote in message . .. A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Not the answer you're looking for but if I had to do it all over my first buy would have been a good radial arm saw. No, not the Craftsman but something like a heavy duty Delta or DeWalt. If you have the right attachments, you could do most everything including crosscut, rip, plan, sand, mold, etc. |
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In article .com, FoggyTown wrote:
Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Yep. You don't have any reference surface to ensure that opposite faces remain parallel to each other -- you're almost guaranteed to taper the board in at least one dimension. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message . net... In article .com, FoggyTown wrote: Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Yep. You don't have any reference surface to ensure that opposite faces remain parallel to each other -- you're almost guaranteed to taper the board in at least one dimension. Except your scribe line, just as you would use to hand plane. No problem. Matter of fact, you can also plan your work as the old boys who had nothing in the way of power tools to work with, and make precise thickness unnecessary. If you buy unplaned lumber, planer's a good choice, given the easier workarounds for edging. Otherwise your board width is limited, for practical purposes, to the width of your jointer knives. |
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In article , "George" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message .net... In article .com, FoggyTown wrote: Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Yep. You don't have any reference surface to ensure that opposite faces remain parallel to each other -- you're almost guaranteed to taper the board in at least one dimension. Except your scribe line, just as you would use to hand plane. No problem. Have you ever actually done that? Seems to me that it would be awfully hard to see the scribe line, what with the blade guard on the side toward you, and the fence on the side away. Matter of fact, you can also plan your work as the old boys who had nothing in the way of power tools to work with, and make precise thickness unnecessary. Yes, of course you can. You can also get to the grocery store in a horse and buggy, too, and some folks still do. If you buy unplaned lumber, planer's a good choice, given the easier workarounds for edging. Otherwise your board width is limited, for practical purposes, to the width of your jointer knives. Not really -- rip with a bandsaw, joint, glue up. Not perfect, of course, but some would prefer that, to jointing and planing a 15"-wide board by hand. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. These are very different tools. It depends on the projects you want to build. I use my jointer with my table saw, and need that more than a thickness planer. One is not a substitute for the other. |
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On Jul 25, 8:24 am, Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Jointer. Probably. You can plane rough lumber with a planer and, if you're lucky enough to start with a straight and flat rough board, or tolerant enough to accept a planed board that is less than perfectly straight and flat, you can get acceptable results. Proper procedures, however, require that you joint (surface plane) your stock before planing (thickness planing). It really depends on what kind of work you're doing, though, and with what woods. I recently made up some pine boxes. Started with 1 x 12" #4 Eastern White Pine, sold S3S for board and batten siding. It was relatively cheap at .70/foot, and was about the only 1" kiln dried stock the mill had that hadn't been planed to 3/4" - I like to get a bit heavier than that if I can. Planed the rough side to about 13/16"+. The planing didn't take out the cupping that some boards had, but joining the corners took care of it. And, they weren't too fussy. Had I been doing a different project with different joining methods, using maple or another hardwood, I wouldn't have been happy without jointing first. That said, you'll still find yourself using some hand methods or shortcuts, because you are probably looking at a maximum of an 8" jointer, and there will be times you'll want to use boards that are at the capacity of your most likely planer size - 12" or 15". On the other hand, if you see yourself doing mostly rough work using lumber bought unplaned, I'd definitely recommend the planer first. Eventually, you'll want both. John Martin |
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Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd go with the planer. You can always have the lumber yard surface one face and join one edge until you get your own jointer. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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FoggyTown wrote:
Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Don't you want parallel faces? |
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Nova wrote:
I'd go with the planer. You can always have the lumber yard surface one face and join one edge until you get your own jointer. Same here. Let the dealer provide at leas one straight edge and face, finish it in the shop with the planer and table saw. A good glue line rip blade can create boards ready for edge gluing right off the saw. That said, a jointer is a very necessary tool to have, too. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message t... Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Yep. You don't have any reference surface to ensure that opposite faces remain parallel to each other -- you're almost guaranteed to taper the board in at least one dimension. Except your scribe line, just as you would use to hand plane. No problem. Have you ever actually done that? Seems to me that it would be awfully hard to see the scribe line, what with the blade guard on the side toward you, and the fence on the side away. Yes, I have, and the line is as visible as the one on the opposite edge of the board I'm hand planing. |
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George wrote:
Yes, I have, and the line is as visible as the one on the opposite edge of the board I'm hand planing. If I could do it all over again, the very first woodworking skill I would have learned would have been sharpening. |
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In article ABLpi.11881$zy4.234@trndny07, Nova wrote:
Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd go with the planer. You can always have the lumber yard surface one face and join one edge until you get your own jointer. Except that IME most lumberyards don't have jointers. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Except that IME most lumberyards don't have jointers. My mistake. Lumber DEALER. All three of mine have jointers. BIG ones. G |
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In article , Leuf wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Just one other thing to mention, do you have a good dust collector? Because a planer pretty much requires one, whereas a jointer doesn't, or at least mine doesn't. Shavings is shavings -- jointers don't produce as much as planers do because they're not used to remove as much wood as planers (usually) are. Coupla light passes through a planer doesn't produce a real big pile of shavings either. I guess what I'm saying is that it's really dependent more on usage than on the tool. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article , B A R R Y wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: Except that IME most lumberyards don't have jointers. My mistake. Lumber DEALER. All three of mine have jointers. BIG ones. G I wish the ones around me did, or even knew what it is... I'm tired of hearing "Huh?? Joint-ner? Whazzat fer?" -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Jul 25, 6:30?pm, B A R R Y wrote:
FoggyTown wrote: Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Don't you want parallel faces? Sure I do! But the issue turns on a a question of scale. What degree of tapering and on what size stock? If I'm 1/32nd out on a 6' x 6" x 1" plank I'm not going to get too fussed. If I'm 1/16th out on a 12" X 2" x 1/2" board then there could be a problem. The tolerances for a king sized bed aren't the same as for a jewelry box. FoggyTown |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. Just one other thing to mention, do you have a good dust collector? Because a planer pretty much requires one, whereas a jointer doesn't, or at least mine doesn't. Or use the planer outside. I have a drum sander which isn't so great at removing a lot of material, but I can either resaw the board or use other means to get it close and then get it flat on the sander. -Leuf |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article ABLpi.11881$zy4.234@trndny07, Nova wrote: Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd go with the planer. You can always have the lumber yard surface one face and join one edge until you get your own jointer. Except that IME most lumberyards don't have jointers. I have never dealt with a lumber yard (not home/building supply center) that didn't have one. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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Sparky wrote:
A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd get the planer. With a sled and some wedges, you can flatten the first face on a planer. Not very efficient use of time, but it does work. But a jointer cannot, unless there's some magical jig I don't know about, do the work of a planer and make one face parallel to the other. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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But on a planer with the cutter on top you can get shavings that sit on top of the board and then get pressed into it by the outfeed roller. With a jointer the shavings are all underneath, and on my Jet just slide down the chute into a box. That's a good point; I'd kinda forgotten about that. Guess I've gotten spoiled with the fan-forced chip ejection on my DW735 -- that's a *nice* feature. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Leuf wrote:
But on a planer with the cutter on top you can get shavings that sit on top of the board and then get pressed into it by the outfeed roller. With a jointer the shavings are all underneath, and on my Jet just slide down the chute into a box. Whereas my DW735 Planer has a 1-Million CFM exhaust fan built in that can shoot shavings down the driveway and into the street if I don't connect something to it. Only did that once. :-) --Steve |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd get the planer. With a sled and some wedges, you can flatten the first face on a planer. Not very efficient use of time, but it does work. But a jointer cannot, unless there's some magical jig I don't know about, do the work of a planer and make one face parallel to the other. Thanks for all the input. I believe the planer will be first then the jointer next year. Thanks again. |
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"FoggyTown" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 25, 2:20?pm, Jim Behning wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:24:11 -0600, Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I got a combi unit. I don't know if you can get one in the US anymore though. Mine was a Makita planer and jointer. Not a helpful answer. I would choose a planer first. I can get a straight edge on a board with a hand plane to rough in and a table saw. Or a router and straight edge. Admittedly I have never felt the need for a planer. But if I had to reduce stock from, say, 3/4" to 1/2" I would just run it a number of times over my jointer until I got there. Anything wrong with that approach? Yes, you have no reference to insure uniform thickness. Not totally unlike ripping a board on a TS with out a rip fence. It can be done but not consistently accurately. |
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In article , Steve wrote:
Leuf wrote: But on a planer with the cutter on top you can get shavings that sit on top of the board and then get pressed into it by the outfeed roller. With a jointer the shavings are all underneath, and on my Jet just slide down the chute into a box. Whereas my DW735 Planer has a 1-Million CFM exhaust fan built in that can shoot shavings down the driveway and into the street if I don't connect something to it. Only did that once. :-) I only did it once, too. You came out of it better than I did, though. My shop's in the house, in the basement. :-b -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Sparky wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote: Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd get the planer. With a sled and some wedges, you can flatten the first face on a planer. Not very efficient use of time, but it does work. But a jointer cannot, unless there's some magical jig I don't know about, do the work of a planer and make one face parallel to the other. Thanks for all the input. I believe the planer will be first then the jointer next year. Thanks again. Sparky, good choice. Perhaps even rethink buying the jointer. My TS with a Forrest blade WWII gives me a clean enough edge that I haven't use my jointer for several years.It has worked for several table tops. |
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FoggyTown wrote:
If I'm 1/32nd out on a 6' x 6" x 1" plank I'm not going to get too fussed. If you can use a jointer (machine) to plane two parallel surfaces to within 1/32" over 6'', you are extremely talented, and lucky. I doubt many who are considering which machine to purchase first could come close. |
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Mike O. wrote:
Which ever you buy, there will be times you will want the other. If you buy quality material from a good supplier you may not need either very often. Having ANY thickness of material available on the spot has nothing to do with the quality of the stock. A planer makes virtually any thickness of hardwood stock available. For instance: 5/32" blade splitters, 1/4" box dividers, 3/8" sled runners, 1/2" drawer sides. Built up moldings can take on new dimensions by changing the thickness of the layers before edge forming. Lots of artistic leeway is provided when we can have stock of any thickness we want. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:45:12 -0600, Sparky wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote: Sparky wrote: A question to the group. Given a choice to buy a new tool, what would you buy first, a jointer or a thickness planer? Thanks for any suggestions. I'd get the planer. With a sled and some wedges, you can flatten the first face on a planer. Not very efficient use of time, but it does work. But a jointer cannot, unless there's some magical jig I don't know about, do the work of a planer and make one face parallel to the other. Thanks for all the input. I believe the planer will be first then the jointer next year. Thanks again. Or, if you have an extra $1,800 laying around: http://www.grizzly.com/products/g0633 mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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