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I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta
contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for $100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here; just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in the next couple of days... TIA, Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico) |
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I have owned a Grizzly 1023S for five years and couldn't be happier. When I
started my search Unisaw and Jet were initially at the top of the pile. Got a chance to have a Griz demonstrated at the Springfield store. Then their customer service gave me names of a couple of guys in my are that owned them. That sealed it. Very quick truck delivery and easy setup. No problems since. BTW, I just added a router table outside of the existing cast iron wing on mine (between the regular length fence rails). Pretty much made from stuff I had in the shop. It ends up being about the same size as the SLW but lighter. I didn't add the legs because they aren't needed. However, for the difference between prices of the "S" (or "SL") and the "SLW" -- the SLW doesn't look like a bad deal. RonB "Paul in MN" wrote in message oups.com... I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for $100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here; just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in the next couple of days... TIA, Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico) |
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I have the Jet 3hp left tilt, package price included the longer fence with a
router table and a decent Bosch router to boot. I've used it for nearly a year now with no complaints at all, huge step up from my old Craftsman saw. Only comment about the Jet, they don't bevel the front edge of the cast iron extensions, leaving a fairly sharp exposed edge. I'm sure there is some reason why they don't (for those of us who occasionally confuse our rights with our lefts maybe) but it is something contend with. - no experience with Grizzly, but from what I've seen in this ng, many happy owners of both. Good luck with your new saw, I hope you are as happy with the upgrade as I was. Jeff Local supplier delivered the saw, took a day or so to get it set up (I move a bit slower these days...) "Paul in MN" wrote in message oups.com... I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for $100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here; just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in the next couple of days... TIA, Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico) |
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Only comment about the Jet, they don't bevel the front edge of the cast
iron extensions, leaving a fairly sharp exposed edge. I too am a happy owner of a Jet. I'm fairly sure that all major manufacturers do not bevel the wings. This is because the main to an wings are ground flat separately, and milling matching the bevels separately would be difficult. -Steve -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"C & S" wrote in message .. . This is because the main to an wings are ground flat separately, and milling matching the bevels separately would be difficult. Well, I too have had the Jet for 7 years and am very happy with it. As for the bevel, it would not be difficult to mill the bevel on the extensions. If they can mill a flat surface milling the wings would not be a problem either. As a fatter of fact, The Powermatic 2000 has a bevel all the way across the front edge. The wings extensions are not milled on the Jet for two reasons. 1. If you milled a bevel on the front of the extensions to match the TS main table you would cut through the iron. The wings are not as thick on the front side as the main saw table is. 2. The bevel is to prevent the "stock" miter gauge face from catching as you push it over the edge. The "stock" miter gauge is narrow enough that a bevel on the wings are not required. |
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Leon wrote:
Well, I too have had the Jet for 7 years and am very happy with it. As for the bevel, it would not be difficult to mill the bevel on the extensions. If they can mill a flat surface milling the wings would not be a problem either. As a fatter of fact, The Powermatic 2000 has a bevel all the way across the front edge. The wings extensions are not milled on the Jet for two reasons. 1. If you milled a bevel on the front of the extensions to match the TS main table you would cut through the iron. The wings are not as thick on the front side as the main saw table is. 2. The bevel is to prevent the "stock" miter gauge face from catching as you push it over the edge. The "stock" miter gauge is narrow enough that a bevel on the wings are not required. 3. Not milling a bevel on the extension tables allow for a single casting to be flipped around and used on either the right or left side of the main table. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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"Paul in MN" wrote in message oups.com... I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for $100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here; just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in the next couple of days... TIA, Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico) If price is not longer a factor, either would probably be a good choice. I personally don't like having a built in router as I like to have separate setups. I have the Bench Dog station also. It may all boil down to whether you want a near white saw that reflects light better than green. LOL On another note, Jet dealers are all over the place. Grizzly has 3 or 4 locations. This may or may not be a factor for you. I personally have the Jet left tilt and expect it to out last me. I have had to make no miter slot to saw blade adjustments in the 7 years that I have owned it. Would I buy again? I would strongly reconsider Jet, Laguna, Powermatic 2000, and the SawStop. I'd probably end up with the Laguna or the SawStop. |
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On Apr 27, 4:21 pm, Paul in MN wrote:
I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. |
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On Apr 28, 9:45 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:21 pm, Paul in MN wrote: I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. I will probably be upgrading soon, too. We finally have a General distributor here in town, and I swear the General saw I looked at reminded me of the old Green Delta from my school shop in '70. Everything was heavy duty, smooth, and just plain nice. The only short coming was the fence on the one I looked didn't feel quite as positive (could have been their setup) as others I have used. I hope if you buy one you will post a review. Robert |
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On Apr 28, 10:59 am, "
wrote: I will probably be upgrading soon, too. We finally have a General distributor here in town, and I swear the General saw I looked at reminded me of the old Green Delta from my school shop in '70. Everything was heavy duty, smooth, and just plain nice. The only short coming was the fence on the one I looked didn't feel quite as positive (could have been their setup) as others I have used. I hope if you buy one you will post a review. We're past the 'if' part. I'm looking for a deal at this point and I am looking into a sliding table attachment for it too. Last time I fired one up, all I heard was the soft whistling of the wind through the blade's teeth. Their Canadian made version of the T-fence is just fantabulous. I like those General people, they're hanging in there, damn the torpedoes. Their off-shore stuff isn't too shabby either. A friend of mine bought a big General International planer from them and it is NICE. This is the saw I'm drooling over. (c model with t-fence) http://www.general.ca/pagemach/machines/50220220ca.html |
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On Apr 28, 11:02 am, Robatoy wrote:
Their Canadian made version of the T-fence is just fantabulous. I like those General people, they're hanging in there, damn the torpedoes. Their off-shore stuff isn't too shabby either. A friend of mine bought a big General International planer from them and it is NICE. I have looked at some of the General Interplanetary stuff (for those playing along) and it looks first rate to me. But the "General" brand just seem to remind me of the old iron days. When the guy that turned the saw on for me looked at my face, he sure got the expected response. It sounded like some kind of all ball bearing fan. Just a kind of turbine sound, then up to speed immediately. BTW, as a testimony to the accuracy and longevity of the General saw line, the distributor is Jointech (their home in sunny San Antonio is about 7 miles from my house), manufacturer of various goodies for the table saw to make exotic joints, or just plain accurate joints. These guys could use any saw they wanted, and they chose General, even when they had to order them in. They liked the sturdy reliability of the saws, and the fact they could pack them in the trailer for woodworking shows and they didn't need to be fully aligned even after bouncing around for weeks from city to city. I think they got the idea to sell them when doing their demos that many wanted to have the whole "setup" they were using in the demos and classes. To top it off, they even use them in their newly completed classrooms. To me, that says a lot about the General. A whole lot - these guys are selling accuracy. This is the saw I'm drooling over. (c model with t-fence) http://www.general.ca/pagemach/machines/50220220ca.html I don't know what model it was I looked at. But on further reflection, I am thinking that since they hooked it up with their own (Jointech) guides maybe they ordered the lowest end stock fence they could. That would make sense to me - why order the high end stuff when you are just going to take it off? Sure looking forward to that review!! Robert |
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I don't know what model it was I looked at. But on further reflection, I am thinking that since they hooked it up with their own (Jointech) guides maybe they ordered the lowest end stock fence they could. That would make sense to me - why order the high end stuff when you are just going to take it off? About three/four years ago I had the opportunity to do a few test cuts with a Canadian made, General 350. I don't recall the fence being a problem during the hands-on, but it may even have been an aftermarket fence. Fence notwithstanding, to one very used to a UniSaw, the General 350 was an impressive piece of machinery. FWIW, and based on that brief experience, and if I did not already own a UniSaw, I would not hesitate to go with a General 350, no matter what it took. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/20/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 28, 11:02 am, Robatoy wrote: I have looked at some of the General Interplanetary stuff (for those playing along) and it looks first rate to me. Ohhh.. I didn't know that they were importing from out there yet. ;~) But the "General" brand just seem to remind me of the old iron days. When the guy that turned the saw on for me looked at my face, he sure got the expected response. It sounded like some kind of all ball bearing fan. Just a kind of turbine sound, then up to speed immediately. I agree with you on that comment but different style saw blades can make a saw sound different. ;~) I am not saying that they had one of those "special demo blades on the saw to make it shound like some kind of all ball bearing fan. A well built piece of machinery does have that unmistakable smooth and kinda soothing sound. BTW, as a testimony to the accuracy and longevity of the General saw line, the distributor is Jointech (their home in sunny San Antonio is about 7 miles from my house), manufacturer of various goodies for the table saw to make exotic joints, or just plain accurate joints. These guys could use any saw they wanted, and they chose General, even when they had to order them in. They liked the sturdy reliability of the saws, and the fact they could pack them in the trailer for woodworking shows and they didn't need to be fully aligned even after bouncing around for weeks from city to city. Boy that says a lot too. At the last woodworking show a major player used that excuse to explain why their tools were not up to expectations. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ps.com... This is the saw I'm drooling over. (c model with t-fence) http://www.general.ca/pagemach/machines/50220220ca.html This particular saw is a Hybrid, right? 2hp |
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On Apr 29, 11:47 am, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message ps.com... This is the saw I'm drooling over. (c model with t-fence) http://www.general.ca/pagemach/machines/50220220ca.html This particular saw is a Hybrid, right? 2hp Compared to their 650/350 it would be considered a hybrid. Your description of what a hybrid is, is how see it as well. A contractor saw with a better table and base. But I have been around saws long enough to know that a good contractor saw is better than a bad cabinet saw. And you are so right about the choice of blades... they make the truly BIG difference. But for me, right now, the difference in price between a 650/350 and the smaller saw is what will pay for the shipping of the Bot. I will build a monster outfeed table for the smaller saw with storage underneath, that's what's on the drawing board right now. I know my work flow pretty well and the saw will be part of the rough sizing department, along with a cutting station for long strips. The machining will be done by the bot, as will the cook-top and sink cut-outs. The Bot will never be used for fun things like signs and cabinet parts right? Right. Yuppers, for sure. Then the machined parts will go to the fabricating section which will be enclosed for temperature-, dust- and noise control. A part of that will be finishing section for all the same reasons, but with way heftier lighting. r--- cleaning the bikes and going for a ride. I'll have a sore ass tonight, but for different reasons than the sore ass I got when I sent in my taxes. But if I want Freedom Fries, I have to peddle to get them. |
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On 28 Apr 2007 07:59:27 -0700, "
wrote: I will probably be upgrading soon, too. We finally have a General distributor here in town, and I swear the General saw I looked at reminded me of the old Green Delta from my school shop in '70. Everything was heavy duty, smooth, and just plain nice. The only short coming was the fence on the one I looked didn't feel quite as positive (could have been their setup) as others I have used. My General 650 required a strip of self-stick "grip tape" along the fence rail to truly lock the fence in place, as the rail paint is very smooth. Once I did that, I can probably use it as a clamp stop! |
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On Apr 28, 10:45 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:21 pm, Paul in MN wrote: I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. errrrmmmmm *BUZZER SOUND* I mean General International... |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. errrrmmmmm *BUZZER SOUND* I mean General International... Have no fear, youknowwho will eventually see it and correct you. AAMOF, I can see the laser sight beam zeroing in on you from here. Better duck, dude, you're in deep **** now! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/20/07 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Apr 28, 1:20 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. errrrmmmmm *BUZZER SOUND* I mean General International... Have no fear, youknowwho will eventually see it and correct you. AAMOF, I can see the laser sight beam zeroing in on you from here. Better duck, dude, you're in deep **** now! LOL...as you may have noticed in other threads, I'm doing what I can not to arouse the guy. I immediatly clambered all over my keyboard in great haste to correct my deadly error. I may not be so lucky next time. *wipes brow* r |
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On 28 Apr 2007 07:45:36 -0700, Robatoy wrote:
I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. Love my 650! |
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On Apr 28, 3:46 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On 28 Apr 2007 07:45:36 -0700, Robatoy wrote: I have decided on a General (General Industrial is an off-shore version). They're worth looking into. Love my 650! That's a sweet saw. I know it well and so do a few of them around here and I hear nothing but kudos. One guy has the Excalibur sliding table attachment and is very pleased. But I'm going to be dropping a serious nut as it is with the Bot and all, so my 'dream' saw will have to wait. I'm also buying a bunch of material handling solutions, ie carts and such, new modular work tables. Take a peek...I want one of each on this page from 'carts' on down http://www.granquartzcanada.com/prod...#Work%20Tables Just bought a new sander..and that's where my dream saw money is going for now: Take a peek at the video on the bottom of this page: http://tinyurl.com/2wfvry and considering that I pay 2 guys to do the sanding.... well, it's unfortunate that I have to think like that...but...and in the meantime I will have to put up with the voice of Clay in my head: "Down at the well they've got a new machine The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day" r |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message Just bought a new sander..and that's where my dream saw money is going for now: That is a big fella!! Are sanders like this common in your industry? I like the fact that it uses common sized sanding discs. I would hate to pay for a special sanding disc that size. |
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On Apr 28, 5:56 pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: "Robatoy" wrote in message Just bought a new sander..and that's where my dream saw money is going for now: That is a big fella!! I have spoken to a couple of fabricators who use them. They are quite pleased. Many have bought an extra pad so they can do their change-ups quicker. Are sanders like this common in your industry? Theyre getting to be more common. The Australian company that makes it found a need and filled it. I like the fact that it uses common sized sanding discs. I would hate to pay for a special sanding disc that size. That also makes similar patterns as the single 5" hand-held sanders, so there's a good 'blend'. Being an induction motor, the speed is constant as well. Some of the feed-back mentions pretty good dust collection as well. I'll do a review once it gets here. r |
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On Apr 28, 3:32 pm, Robatoy wrote:
Take a peek at the video on the bottom of this page: http://tinyurl.com/2wfvry and considering that I pay 2 guys to do the sanding.... well, it's unfortunate that I have to think like that...but...and in the meantime I will have to put up with the voice of Clay in my head: "Down at the well they've got a new machine The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day" r I'm sorry... I really am. I know this is a serious tool. But on the other hand, I heard Nigel Tufnel saying (paraphrased) ,"you see right here, our amps go to eleven. And that's one more than ten, so it has to be louder". It was the "it has four pads which make it four times faster" part that got me. Robert |
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On Apr 29, 2:27 am, "
wrote: On Apr 28, 3:32 pm, Robatoy wrote: Take a peek at the video on the bottom of this page: http://tinyurl.com/2wfvry and considering that I pay 2 guys to do the sanding.... well, it's unfortunate that I have to think like that...but...and in the meantime I will have to put up with the voice of Clay in my head: "Down at the well they've got a new machine The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day" r I'm sorry... I really am. I know this is a serious tool. But on the other hand, I heard Nigel Tufnel saying (paraphrased) ,"you see right here, our amps go to eleven. And that's one more than ten, so it has to be louder". It was the "it has four pads which make it four times faster" part that got me. .....ohhh, I see what you did there... |
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I own the Grizzly model you are considering. I wanted a Delta Unisaw
but ended up with a Grizzly because of the price. My saw arrived with a poorly machined left miter slot. The slot was narrower towards the front of the saw than the rear which resulted in too much slop when using the miter. I called Grizzly and was told to send the table top back. It took about 3 weeks to get back a replacement top ( Grizzly paid freight both ways ). The new top was milled correctly and I have had no other problems. I'd buy one again, although if I had the money, I'd still prefer the Delta. In my opinion, the machining of the table top is just about the most important factor in saw selection. If the miter slots are not perfectly sized and parallel, you'll have trouble switching your fence and/or miter from left to right of the blade and building jigs that required the use of 2 slots. On Apr 27, 2:21 pm, Paul in MN wrote: I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for $100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here; just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in the next couple of days... TIA, Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico) |
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On Apr 30, 8:02 am, Dave Herron wrote:
I own the Grizzly model you are considering. I wanted a Delta Unisaw but ended up with a Grizzly because of the price. My saw arrived with a poorly machined left miter slot. The slot was narrower towards the front of the saw than the rear which resulted in too much slop when using the miter. I called Grizzly and was told to send the table top back. It took about 3 weeks to get back a replacement top ( Grizzly paid freight both ways ). The new top was milled correctly and I have had no other problems. I'd buy one again, although if I had the money, I'd still prefer the Delta. In my opinion, the machining of the table top is just about the most important factor in saw selection. If the miter slots are not perfectly sized and parallel, you'll have trouble switching your fence and/or miter from left to right of the blade and building jigs that required the use of 2 slots. Thanks for the tips guys. One of the things Dave mentioned is the quality/flatness/etc. of the top. This is one of the reasons i got rid of my delta contractor saw. The table on both side bowed slight in towards the throat. When cutting smaller pieces the blade would not be 90 degrees to the table as it would change as the distance out from the blade increased. VERY frustrating. I can afford the time to send a top back to a manufacturer if required as I am not in constant need of my saw. This is simply a hobby for me (one of many) but I do like to have quality equipment. I was spoiled working with a friend when we used to build speaker cabinets. He was a stickler for quality joints and therefore had quality equipment. It is hard to shake that mentality/desire. I think I will hold out for that 3 HP cabinet saw be it Jet or Grizzly. Thanks again all for the info. Paul |
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