I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old.
I've stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a
couple times. The wood is mostly in good shape, but there are what
appear to be some water stains on the top. I want to minimize these
as much as possible. I've heard oxalic acid will help remove the
stains.

Also, I was advised that some careful application of light or diluted
stain could help even out the color on top. If so, what type of stain
would be best for cedar? I know cedar isn't usually stained, but in
the interest of cleaning up the discoloration. I still want it to
look like cedar of course, but my tastes prefer darker cedar over
light.

So my questions a

1) Can anyone confirm that oxalic acid is worth a try, and that it
won't harm unfinished wood?

2) What type of stain should I use on cedar to hide some of the
discoloration? Or is this a bad idea all around?

abe

I've used oxalic acid on oak flooring, but not on cedar. The result that I
got wasn't very favorable as it somewhat changed the texture of the wood
where it had been treated. It lightened the stain, but also changed the wood
texture so that it took stain different than the untreated area. I ended up
re-sanding the whole surface, then treated the stained area again, then I
put on a second coat of acid, but this time I treated the whole surface.
After that the staining process was much more even, but still not perfect. I
think if I was doing it all over again I wouldn't use the acid at all. I
would just sand the surface more to get as much stain out as possible and
then use a darker stain to hide what was left. It would have been and easier
job that way.

--
Charley


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I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old.
I've stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a
couple times. The wood is mostly in good shape, but there are what
appear to be some water stains on the top. I want to minimize these
as much as possible. I've heard oxalic acid will help remove the
stains.

Also, I was advised that some careful application of light or diluted
stain could help even out the color on top. If so, what type of stain
would be best for cedar? I know cedar isn't usually stained, but in
the interest of cleaning up the discoloration. I still want it to
look like cedar of course, but my tastes prefer darker cedar over
light.

So my questions a

1) Can anyone confirm that oxalic acid is worth a try, and that it
won't harm unfinished wood?

2) What type of stain should I use on cedar to hide some of the
discoloration? Or is this a bad idea all around?

abe

Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 6:46am (EDT-3) (Abe) doth
proclaim:
I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old. I've
stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a couple
times. snip

Well, I guess you finished any collector value it might have had.

I'd get a scrap piece of cedar and test on it. Well, not actually,
I doubt I'd want to stain cedar.



JOAT
It was too early in the morning for it to be early in the morning. That
was the only thing that he currently knew for sure.
- Clodpool

On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, (J T) wrote:
Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 6:46am (EDT-3) (Abe) doth
proclaim:
I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old. I've
stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a couple
times. snip

Well, I guess you finished any collector value it might have had.

I'd get a scrap piece of cedar and test on it. Well, not actually,
I doubt I'd want to stain cedar.

JOAT
It was too early in the morning for it to be early in the morning. That
was the only thing that he currently knew for sure.
- Clodpool

That's not really all that helpful.

It wasn't worth much beforehand. It's a nice chest, but the old
finish was black. I tried to just clean and rejuvenate, but it was
too far gone.

Abe wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, (J T) wrote:
Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 6:46am (EDT-3) (Abe) doth
proclaim:
I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old.
I've stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a
couple times. snip

Well, I guess you finished any collector value it might have
had.

I'd get a scrap piece of cedar and test on it. Well, not
actually, I doubt I'd want to stain cedar.

JOAT
It was too early in the morning for it to be early in the morning.
That was the only thing that he currently knew for sure.
- Clodpool

That's not really all that helpful.

It wasn't worth much beforehand. It's a nice chest, but the old
finish was black. I tried to just clean and rejuvenate, but it was
too far gone.

He's being honest. There's no magic stain that works for every piece
for every person. Figure out what you want it to look like, find a
stain or dye or tinted topcoat that looks like it comes close, try it on
the bottom or somewhere else that will be hidden, if you like it go with
it, if you don't then try something else.

Personally I don't use much stain--generally oil brings out enough color
for me unless I'm going for an off-the-wall effect like the black-dyed
maple box I made for someone a while back. Aromatic red cedar if it's
of good quality has quit a bit of color already--if you can bring that
out then finish with something that has a UV block and there shouldn't
be much need for stain.

Get some tung oil and and some boiled linseed oil and try a little of
each in an inconspicuous spot and see what they bring out--you may get a
pleasant surprise. Note--only oil the outside--a cedar chest shouldn't
have any finish on the _inside_.

--
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:35pm (EDT-3) (Abe) doth
sayeth:
That's not really all that helpful.
It wasn't worth much beforehand.snip

Read John's post. He goes into more detail.

You never know what something old is worth - unless you ask someone
qualified to say. If you'd asked a qualified antique appriser first,
he/she "might" have said it was worthless, except for any selentimal
value - or could have said it was a valuable collectible, "if left as
is", and any home "improvements" would ruin that value. So, you're
saying you're a such qualified appariser?

When I was a kid we tossed a lot of stuff that was junk. If we'd
only stuck that stuff in an attic and kept we'd have wound up with a
bunch of antiques, that would sell for some serious money today.



JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.

On Mar 15, 7:35 pm, "Abe" wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, (J T) wrote:

Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 6:46am (EDT-3) (Abe) doth
proclaim:
I'm refinishing a solid cedar chest that is probably 90 years old. I've
stripped the original finish and have sanded the entire thing a couple
times. snip

Well, I guess you finished any collector value it might have had.

I'd get a scrap piece of cedar and test on it. Well, not actually,
I doubt I'd want to stain cedar.

...

It wasn't worth much beforehand. It's a nice chest, but the old
finish was black. I tried to just clean and rejuvenate, but it was
too far gone.

Plenty of antique furniture has a finish (typically linseed oil based
I think) that has gone black and looks like crap. Sometimes
careful refinishing will reveal burl or curly figure with a gorgeous
patina.

But it still destroys the value. It sucks that the furniture was
worth more when it looked like crap.

Given that cedar has sort of a blotchy appearance to it, you might
consider using a stain only on part of the lid to hide the watermarks.
Staining the whole think would probably just make it look like
stained watermarks.

--

FF