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I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine
Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. Joe |
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In article , Joe Bleau
wrote: an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Oh, really? Infinitely more? Some may take that as an insult, and possibly wish to use foul language in your direction, suggesting physically impossible auto-sexual activity. But y'know what? I think I'll just keep hanging out here with the dumb guys. I'd be too embarrassed to go to a forum where people are infinitely more knowledgeable than me. Why, they'll probably know the question whose answer is "42", and then the universe will disappear and be replaced with something even more inexplicable. I bet even Dr. Bernofski would shy away, and he knows *everything*. Thanks anyway. |
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I think it was Dave Balderstone who
stated: Why, they'll probably know the question whose answer is "42", and then the universe will disappear and be replaced with something even more inexplicable. Do *you* want to know the Question? The Ultimate Question? About Life, the Universe, and Everything? I could find out, but it would take some doing. Meanwhile, I stick with rec.woodworking too. -Don (off to see the mice) -- I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it |
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"Joe Bleau" wrote in message ... and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. us dummyz cant reed gud anyway so ill just stay heer. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Joe Bleau" wrote in message ... and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. us dummyz cant reed gud anyway so ill just stay heer. If you make the most of woodworking classes, you study hardwoods, you do your woodwork, and you make an effort to be smart, you can be in Finewoodworking.com. If you don't, you get stuck in irec.woodworking. John K. |
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Could be just me but I was deeply offended when they wanted to charge
over and above the subscrip price for their website. A charge for those who don't get the mag would be OK. But for those of us who do and have for years...If the mag wasn't the quality it is I would have dropped them over that. Instead I continue to enjoy the print version. As for online, there is just waaaaayyyyy to much free on the net to justify the extra cost. Filtering out the OT's, Spam and Iraq body counts really isn't that difficult. As for the skill level, If I didn't need to ask a dumb question once in a while I probably would save that time poundin' keys and put it to better use making sawdust. Daryl |
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"Joe Bleau" wrote in message ... I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. There are plenty of good alternatives, but web-based groups are too hard to use. This is perfect for dummies like me. |
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"Joe Bleau" wrote in message ... I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. Joe If infinitely wiser, why do they pay to give advice? |
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In article , Leon
wrote: "Joe Bleau" wrote in message ... I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. Joe If infinitely wiser, why do they pay to give advice? How dare you question the infinitely wise! |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:34:22 -0500, Joe Bleau
wrote: I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. I'm a WoodCentral guy (http://www.woodcentral.com), as are a few of the others he Lee Gordon, Charles Self, David Eisan, to name a couple. So far as I'm concerned, it's the best web based alternative to the wreck. However, I've been here longer. There is something to be said for being able to post a picture directly, though. I don't much care for the others, for a variety of reasons--personality (of the site), personalities (of the players), software...you get the idea. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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Another option is the Woodshop News forum http://www.woodshopnews.com/forum/
and, unlike Fine Woodworking's, it does not charge a membership fee or require a subscription to the magazine. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" _________________________________ Lee Gordon http://www.leegordonproductions.com |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:34:22 -0500, Joe Bleau
wrote: I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. You know, I think I'll pass as well. What I still can't understand, no matter how long I poke around on this group, is why OT discussion is so horrifying to people. I like woodworking quite a bit, but I'll be damned if I'd visit a forum that had ten or fifteen conversations about tuning up a handplane and how to use a router recycling on an endless loop. It's the same reason I let all my magazine subscriptions lapse- they were just repeating themselves. I come here to talk about whatever comes up on the group, because it's entertaining, and I at least know that the folks here have enough intellegence and motivation to engage in a hobby that requires considerable investments in time, money and research (not necessarily in that order.) That alone is a pretty effective pre-filter when deciding who I wish to speak to, if looking at most of the other groups on Usenet is any indication. And, I learned a lot here when I started to look at making furniture when I decided to *graduate* from being a remodeler with basic carpentry skills- so answering newbie questions is sort of paying the community back for past assistance. Far as "experitise" goes, I'd trust most of the regulars here to work in my shop unattended, and at least some have amazing abilities and knowledge. So how is the FWW forum better? Do they tell you how to make wood appear from nothing using only the power of your mind? :) |
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Don Fearn wrote in
: Do *you* want to know the Question? The Ultimate Question? About Life, the Universe, and Everything? I could find out, but it would take some doing. Meanwhile, I stick with rec.woodworking too. -Don (off to see the mice) I'll have to think about it for a while, but I should be able to come up with it. (-: Puckdropper -- Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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So how is the FWW forum better? Do they tell you how to make wood appear from nothing using only the power of your mind? :) Now THAT I would pay for! |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:34:22 -0500, Joe Bleau
wrote: I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. Joe Joe, you blow. |
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message news:120120072050099093%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca... In article , Joe Bleau wrote: an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Oh, really? Infinitely more? Some may take that as an insult, and possibly wish to use foul language in your direction, suggesting physically impossible auto-sexual activity. Some may realize that knowledgeability is assumed when in agreement, ignorance when in disagreement. Can you say "halo effect?" |
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"Prometheus" wrote in message
It's the same reason I let all my magazine subscriptions lapse- they were just repeating themselves. Bingo ... I don't subscribe to the magazine precisely because that. However, I personally find the FWW subscription web site worth the price because of the availability of a ton of articles in pdf format. If you're continually searching for design ideas, and ways to solve woodworking problems based on design, it's an excellent resource at a reasonable price, IMO. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 1/06/07 |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ..and WHAT has FWW even give away for free?, Huh? Huh? They are penny pinchers ... I just got in a ****ing contest with Taunton over their website store's apparently well *hidden* shipping policy. Not a bad idea to make wRec'ers aware of: I ordered an item on a Wednesday morning via UPS 2nd Day air, expecting a Friday AM delivery ... the item didn't arrive until after 6 PM the following Monday! Taunton continued to insist/claim that what I paid for with "2nd Day Air" was delivery after office hours (6PM) on Monday, after five days in transit, and 3 1/2 "business days" from the date of the order! To me, 2nd Day Air is short hand for "day after tomorrow" when placed on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday before noon ... and UPS agrees with me, although they include Wednesday without a qualifier, like "before noon" for the contiguous 48. To Taunton, and for all practical purposes for an unwary Taunton customer, because they just might not get around to processing your order until the next day, 2nd Day Air shipping is a crapshoot and only worth the price if you place the order on two days of the week, Monday or Tuesday ... maybe! Hey,Taunton ... you really need to say that! Long story short, after much bitching and exchange of e-mails, they reluctantly returned my money ... but only after they received the item back after sending me a "postage paid label" to return the goods. Although I subscribe to their website because I find it to be a time saving resource for some of what I do, it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy anything from them again ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 1/06/07 |
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I think it was "Robatoy" who stated:
42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. (The mice told me.) -- I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it |
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Don Fearn wrote: I think it was "Robatoy" who stated: 42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. (The mice told me.) Where did your mice go to school? |
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Joe Bleau wrote: I believe it cost a few bucks to participate but the magazine Fine Woodking has a website known as "finewoodworking.com." There are many tips, articles, tool reviews, and a very lively discussion group with fewer OT postings and an infinitely more knoweldgeable base of readers and contributors. Not trying to raid this group which I still enjoy; just pointing out alternatives to those who might be interested. Joe |
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In article . com, "Mike in Arkansas" wrote:
Don Fearn wrote: I think it was "Robatoy" who stated: 42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. (The mice told me.) Where did your mice go to school? Some place where they do arithmetic in base-13, apparently. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Don Fearn wrote: I think it was "Robatoy" who stated: 42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. (The mice told me.) If you got to the mice, you withstood a barrage of Vogan sharpshooters. That in itself is meaningful. I think my drill press is depressed. |
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Prometheus wrote: [snipped for brevity] Far as "experitise" goes, I'd trust most of the regulars here to work in my shop unattended, and at least some have amazing abilities and knowledge. So how is the FWW forum better? Do they tell you how to make wood appear from nothing using only the power of your mind? :) Real expertise is making do with what you have. Some of these woodworking shows on TV, for instance, are not a reflection of reality in most cases. "Now here, we'll cut the stack of 4 x 8 pre-laminated sheets with our 8-blade gang saw. Then we move the slabs to our computer controlled edgebander before boring the prerequisite 44 holes per gable in our PTP unit." TOH went the same way: "Then we ordered the Elba stone, we had it crushed in Italy..blah, blah, blah." We watch this for a while before we figure out that we're not George Clooney, and we ain't getting Jessica Alba's clothes off. I find the blend of expertise in here very comforting as many here know less about this craft than I do, and the same amount know more than I. What a great place to look good and stupid at the same time. If I want hard-core, business-like solutions, there's always http://www.woodweb.com/ Now there's a site (column on the right, called Knowledge Base) where they deal with more 'pro' stuff. Just saw this the other day: a package of 'pro' sponge brushes, next to the 'pro' towels...wtf isn't 'pro' these days? Toothpaste: Large, King-size, Jumbo. WTF is with that? The smallest is now Large?....*peels off Andy Rooney mask* My rant for today. |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... I ordered an item on a Wednesday morning via UPS 2nd Day air, expecting a Friday AM delivery ... the item didn't arrive until after 6 PM the following Monday! Last I ever heard about their 2nd day(UPS), is that they do not guarantee anything but NEXT DAY. |
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I have to admit that the humor here is far superior. Moreover, I
learned about other groups I had never even heard of. |
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The user tendency on WC that drives me batty are the users who start
replies in the subject line! It's like they have 50 Don Dandos. G When folks do that, it makes threads very difficult to follow, especially if you missed the beginning of the thread. That practice bugs me, too, but I like Wood Central enough to put up with it. Fortunately, at the bottom of any message, after the message body and any pictures or links that the poster has included, there's a section called "Messages in this Thread" that shows a tree structure going all the way back to the initial message in the thread. Of course, that doesn't help you identify which thread a post entitled "Me Too" is part of unless you open "Me Too" and scroll down to the bottom to check its "genealogy." Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" _________________________________ Lee Gordon http://www.leegordonproductions.com |
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"Robatoy" wrote in news:1168705378.514661.12930
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: If you got to the mice, you withstood a barrage of Vogan sharpshooters. That in itself is meaningful. I think my drill press is depressed. Do your saws sigh happily when they're turned on? Puckdropper -- Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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Swingman wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message ..and WHAT has FWW even give away for free?, Huh? Huh? They are penny pinchers ... I just got in a ****ing contest with Taunton over their website store's apparently well *hidden* shipping policy. Not a bad idea to make wRec'ers aware of: I ordered an item on a Wednesday morning via UPS 2nd Day air, expecting a Friday AM delivery ... the item didn't arrive until after 6 PM the following Monday! Taunton continued to insist/claim that what I paid for with "2nd Day Air" was delivery after office hours (6PM) on Monday, after five days in transit, and 3 1/2 "business days" from the date of the order! To me, 2nd Day Air is short hand for "day after tomorrow" when placed on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday before noon ... and UPS agrees with me, although they include Wednesday without a qualifier, like "before noon" for the contiguous 48. To Taunton, and for all practical purposes for an unwary Taunton customer, because they just might not get around to processing your order until the next day, 2nd Day Air shipping is a crapshoot and only worth the price if you place the order on two days of the week, Monday or Tuesday ... maybe! Hey,Taunton ... you really need to say that! Long story short, after much bitching and exchange of e-mails, they reluctantly returned my money ... but only after they received the item back after sending me a "postage paid label" to return the goods. Although I subscribe to their website because I find it to be a time saving resource for some of what I do, it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy anything from them again ... There are a few people on the Wreck that I've come to take at face value. Swingman is one of them. I don't think I've ever read anything by him that has been proven wrong or misleading. That's not to say he's the only one - there are quite a few who give me the same feeling. Therefore, from what he's said about the FWW PDFs, I'll give it some more thought. However, my bitch with FWW is that I decided a few months ago to try out the forums and join the online group. Since I'm a FWW subscriber, it was only $15 a year and quite affordable. I'm one of those people who doesn't have a credit card. I have my reasons for that, and it's served me well. So I emailed and asked about alternative methods of payment: snail mail cheque, PayPal, online bank payment, etc. NO, I was told by Taunton. CC is the ONLY payment method we take. Well, sheeit. I had come to the conclusion then that I'd forego the online subscription because of that answer. For the most part I'm quite happy with my FWW magazine every month, but I had come to expect more in customer service from them than that answer. Maybe you're reading this, Taunton customer service. Maybe not. I think i'll just use my $15 and put it towards my next Lee Valley run. Tanus -- This is not really a sig. |
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We don't want to join any club that would have us. :-
J. Joe Bleau wrote: I have to admit that the humor here is far superior. Moreover, I learned about other groups I had never even heard of. |
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"Don Fearn" wrote in message ... I think it was "Robatoy" who stated: 42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. 54 |
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42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. (The mice told me.) Where did your mice go to school? Some place where they do arithmetic in base-13, apparently. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Hey yeah, it is 42 in base 13. Had to check:) |
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I think it was "Leon" who stated:
"Don Fearn" wrote in message .. . I think it was "Robatoy" who stated: 42 -------- that much I know. I just need a question now. "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE?" is the question. 54 It's 42. You're using the wrong base. -Don (NEW math student) -- I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it |
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Lee Gordon wrote: The user tendency on WC that drives me batty are the users who start replies in the subject line! It's like they have 50 Don Dandos. G When folks do that, it makes threads very difficult to follow, especially if you missed the beginning of the thread. That practice bugs me, too, but I like Wood Central enough to put up with it. Fortunately, at the bottom of any message, after the message body and any pictures or links that the poster has included, there's a section called "Messages in this Thread" that shows a tree structure going all the way back to the initial message in the thread. Of course, that doesn't help you identify which thread a post entitled "Me Too" is part of unless you open "Me Too" and scroll down to the bottom to check its "genealogy." Lee that sounds like the exact sort of thing that could be fixed with a greasemonkey script. |
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Tanus wrote:
: I'm one of those people who doesn't have a credit card. I have my : reasons for that, and it's served me well. So I emailed and asked about : alternative methods of payment: snail mail cheque, PayPal, online bank : payment, etc. NO, I was told by Taunton. CC is the ONLY payment method : we take. And I'm sure they have their reasons for that. If you're going to deliberately eschew the default means of payment for web services, you might not be able to get the full range of them. Why are you even surprised, much less offended? -- Andy Barss |
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