Howdy,

I have some vague recollection that the addition of vinegar
will retard the setup of white glue.

Is that correct? Is there another, or better way?

This is, by the way, for a very low strength application,
but I would love to be able to extend the setup time if I
could.

Sincere thanks,
--
Kenneth

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"Kenneth" wrote in message
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Howdy,

I have some vague recollection that the addition of vinegar
will retard the setup of white glue.

Is that correct? Is there another, or better way?


I don't know about retard but it will make white glue fail.

"Kenneth" wrote in message
...

Howdy,

I have some vague recollection that the addition of vinegar
will retard the setup of white glue.

Is that correct? Is there another, or better way?

This is, by the way, for a very low strength application,
but I would love to be able to extend the setup time if I
could.

Sincere thanks,
--
Kenneth

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Why not switch to a glue made for extended working time? I believe Titebond
II fills that description. If not someone will let us know.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:20:46 -0500, "C & E"
wrote:


"Kenneth" wrote in message
.. .

Howdy,

I have some vague recollection that the addition of vinegar
will retard the setup of white glue.

Is that correct? Is there another, or better way?

This is, by the way, for a very low strength application,
but I would love to be able to extend the setup time if I
could.

Sincere thanks,
--
Kenneth

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Why not switch to a glue made for extended working time? I believe Titebond
II fills that description. If not someone will let us know.


Well be careful because it is easy to confuse things.
TiteBond II has a short open time of 5min
TiteBond III has an open time of 10min

Those are both from the Standard Line

They have a Shop Line and that includes the *Extend* products and
these have open times of 12-15min.....IIRC

BTW- Vinegar will act as a solvent for these glues and we've used it
to loosen up cured glue. I've heard of others using it to thin out
overly thick glue but I would not do this for any case where strength
was an issue.

You can also extend the open time of any wood glue by following a few
simple steps. It may be a bit messy but will work to give you an
additional 4-5min.

Apply a very generous coat of glue to both surfaces. and wait 2-3 min.
If possible go about some of your tasks. Then apply another generous
coat over the previous.
Because the first coat gets sucked into the wood, the second coat has
a tendency to cure slower than normal. The bond will be OK because the
first coat bonds well to the second coat and the first coat gets into
the woods pores.......I think...
I have tested the results of this several time and always get wood
failure.

Good Luck,
J

"Joe Bemier" wrote in message

TiteBond III has an open time of 10min

I'm of the opinion that their marketing department got a bit carried away on
this particular claim. I've found the open time to be much closer to 7
minutes, or less, no matter the ambient temperature.

A bit disturbing because it's not a claim that generates a lot of confidence
in a substance that holds together the woodworking world ... and makes you
wonder what else in the product doesn't live up to claims/expectations?

(... and I sincerely hope I am just exercising a bit of age based cynicism.)

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message

TiteBond III has an open time of 10min

I'm of the opinion that their marketing department got a bit carried away
on
this particular claim. I've found the open time to be much closer to 7
minutes, or less, no matter the ambient temperature.

A bit disturbing because it's not a claim that generates a lot of
confidence
in a substance that holds together the woodworking world ... and makes you
wonder what else in the product doesn't live up to claims/expectations?



Well for starters TB III is not truly water proof as indicated by the tests
it passes. IIRC the tests never mention water proof, only water resistant.
This is not to say that TB III is not a very high quality glue. I prefer TB
III as it dries to a more natural wood color.

Well for starters TB III is not truly water proof as indicated by the tests
it passes. IIRC the tests never mention water proof, only water resistant.

Dunno about the tests, but I have a bottle right in front of me, and it
says "Waterproof" TWICE right on the front label.
Haven't tested the waterproofness or even pushed the open time limits,
but I'm happy with it as a normal wood glue.
Andy

Swingman wrote:
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message

TiteBond III has an open time of 10min

I'm of the opinion that their marketing department got a bit carried away on
this particular claim. I've found the open time to be much closer to 7
minutes, or less, no matter the ambient temperature.

A bit disturbing because it's not a claim that generates a lot of confidence
in a substance that holds together the woodworking world ... and makes you
wonder what else in the product doesn't live up to claims/expectations?

(... and I sincerely hope I am just exercising a bit of age based cynicism.)


Coming from the boat building world, the only observation I can make
about wood working glues is that they are very useful as long as you
don't need long open times or a waterproof glue, because they provide
neither.

Epoxy is about your only real choice if you require long open times
and/or a waterproof adhesive, especially since Aerolite 306 is basically
no longer available.

Lew


Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
. net...
since Aerolite 306 is basically
no longer available.

On what planet?