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Getting the right color for mahogany
Hi Gang,
I've been working on some mahogany cabinetry and experimenting with finishing the scraps. I decided that I want to use shellac so most of my work has been in learning to fill and pad the stuff. Now I've got my technique down and the test piece has some nice coats of garnet shellac. The consistency, depth and clarity are great. But, the color is not really what I expected. I've read on the wreck that it should have a nice red color, but it looks more like orange than red to me. It definitely looks more red on the non-finished side. Should I plan to leave the pieces out in the sun for a day after sanding but before finishing? Or keep adding more layers of garnet? Or use some chemical? Or use a dye in the shellac or on the filled wood? Oh, I mixed the garnet from fresh de-waked flakes. You'll be happy to hear that I have ordered the 2 finishing books that everyone recommends but it will take a week for them to arrive. Thanks! -Matt |
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Getting the right color for mahogany
Kim Whitmyre wrote in
m: In article , says... I've read on the wreck that it should have a nice red color, but it looks more like orange than red to me. It definitely looks more red on the non-finished side. It depends on the wood itself, Matt. I recently finished a Limbert- inspired Honduras Mahogany table: the base was originally all one 16" wide board, with the top coming from two different boards. The base, after a teak oil finish, came out a reddish-brown, but the top came out rather orange. The reason, IMHO, was due to the base piece being much denser/finer grained than the top pieces. I rubbed on a coat of Liberon Black Bison cabinet wax, and now the top is in harmony with the base. Kim Thanks Kim. I know that I have a couple different kinds of mahogany, despite getting them from the same place (Austin hardwoods) for the same price. The color and grain pattern of the boards is totally different, so much so that I'd suspect that the first stuff that I bought may be some other kind of "mahogany." I'm pretty sure that the newer stuff is true honduras stuff. So, I'm probably going to need to use a dye to try to get both of the woods to look more similar. But, still, does anyone know if it's normal for garnet to make the wood look so much more yellow that it ends up less red? -Matt |
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Getting the right color for mahogany
Andy Dingley wrote in
: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:21:11 GMT, MattH wrote: But, the color is not really what I expected. That's because it's not mahogany. 18th century mahogany is Caribbean and a beautiful red colour. Now the stuff is seriously endangered and what little is around is very rare (if it's legal), expensive (mine was $30 / bd. ft.) and often of poor quality (the good stuff goes to the big guys, not the likes of you and me) "mahogany" these days is African (if you're in Europe) or SE Asian. Most is non-sustainable rainforest, often illegally logged (all of the Cambodian, most of the Indonesian). It's pretty ugly too, and the colour is a dull brown - African is probably the worst, but that depends on what species (khaya species are some of the better options). AIUI, central american mahogany is still available in the USA. This stuff isn't as good as real Cuban _Swietenia mahagoni_, but it's close. Figure is OK, but the colour is poor. So you dye or otherwise colour it. I use dragon's blood in a spirit varnish (18th century recipe with copal and sandarac) or in blonde shellac. I'm pretty sure that the more recent stuff that I bought is Honduras mahogany. The grain is quite nice and it is a pink tone before being exposed to light. The last 1-2 inches of the boards were exposed to light and were a very nice dark red. I'd believe that the first batch was something else since the color was, as you described, not very nice at all. Well.. thanks for the reply. I'll have to see how it looks after getting a tan and then I'll try my hand at coloring Shellac. Makes me kind of regret spending extra to get the garnet shellac. I could have just got ultra blonde and toned it anyway. I also wish that the lumber yards would start referring to wood by the tree species. It would be a bit more complicated but then there wouldn't be the confusion over which flavor they are selling. Thanks again, Matt |
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Getting the right color for mahogany
I've had satisfying results with 'Ruddy Amber' shellac from
shellac.net, which is reccomended for mahogany on the site. I figured garnet would be too red/purplish, and decided on the RA instead... |
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