Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG

wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG

Forgive him... he knows not what he asks.

DG: search this group with Google and you will find over 8,000 (that's
right, 8,000) related hits.

All kinds of opinions on the saw, and all things related.

I am hoping your question is not irreversable.

The last volcano that erupted over this machine covered the machine
lightly, but hit hard on people too stupid to use power tools, civil
rights violations, big business versus the little guy, smoking and
eating choices, and a lot of other subjects that turned ugly and
venemous.

I am sure you asked out of innocence....

Forgive him group... he knows not what he asks.

Robert

wrote:
Forgive him group... he knows not what he asks.

I'm gettin' the popcorn.

This reminds me of the time I asked the RV newsgroup if I had enough
tow vehicle for a particular trailer.

brian

*banging head on desk*

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111!!!

wrote in message
ups.com...
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.


Never heard of the Saw Stop. Is it an accessory you add to your saw? What
does it do? I'd be interested if I can add safety for 20 bucks or so.

wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG


I'm waiting to hear reviews on their upcoming contractor saw. The site
says it's coming out in late 2006, which is right about....now.

First project will be a non-frangible mailbox.

gd&r

wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.

brian

On Nov 7, 11:06 pm, "brianlanning" wrote:
wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.

220 or 110 ?

brianlanning wrote:
wrote:

Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.


I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.

brian

It is more expensive than a non-protected saw .. .. my employer just
took delivery on one .. $4,000 including 5 extra cartridges, long fence
rails, side table, 3ph 460v motor, shipping & tax.

We did 2 demonstrations for the guys who would be using it and for the
Plant Manager to see what he bought. In each case, the cartridge, of
course was destroyed .. .. but NOT the blade. We were able to tap the
teeth loose from the cartridge in both cases with no apparent damage to
them. In the event that effort failed, only 3 teeth would have had to
have been replaced .. NOT the whole blade. The replacement cartridges
are $59 .. NOT $80. The saw WILL cut green and/or pressure-treated
wood WITHOUT triggering .. the saw will stop and flash a code on it's
LED's letting you know IF it detects a condition where it MAY trigger
falsely, giving yo the option of stopping that cut or by-passing the
safety temporarily.

The saw WILL, in fact cut a hot dog neatly in two as I found out in one
of my demonstrations .. .. I placed the hot dog in a v-notch cut into a
2"X4" and proceeded to pass it thru the blade. Everyone was astonished
when the hot dog was cut in two. A few seconds later, I realized that
I was not touching the hot dog, and it occurred to all of us that the
hot dog, by itself didn't have the capacity to draw the charge off of
the blade fast enough to trip the safety. I reset everything, placed
my finger on the end of the hot dog, and tried it again. As predicted,
everything went as expected. The test was even more impressive than
the factory video in one respect. I did the test with a blade ground
with ATB. Examination of the hot dog after the test revealed that only
one tooth of the blade came in contact with the hot dog, and that was a
very shallow "nick" which would have easily been covered with a band-aid.

I retired from that company last week and on my way out, both the Plant
Manager and the Maintenance Director thanked me personally for having
made them aware of this wonderful device. They said that one visit to
the Emergency Room for stitches would have cost more than the saw, the
cost of a re-attachment of a severed finger would have been at least 10X
that amount, not to mention the pain & suffering of the amputee and the
time lost from work, etc.

I firmly believe in the SawStop, and will have one in my own shop,
hopefully before too long.

As to the point about the by-pass switch .. once activated in by-pass
mode, the saw stays in by-pass UNTIL it is shut down in any way and when
it is turned back on, the full-protect mode is automatically enabled.

__ Bob __ wrote:

We did 2 demonstrations for the guys who would be using it and for the
Plant Manager to see what he bought. In each case, the cartridge, of
course was destroyed .. .. but NOT the blade. We were able to tap the
teeth loose from the cartridge in both cases with no apparent damage to
them. In the event that effort failed, only 3 teeth would have had to
have been replaced .. NOT the whole blade.

When I spoke with the reps at the wood show they said that the whole
blade would need to be replaced. Due to the stress of the sudden stop
there may be hidden damage to the teeth that could result in them flying
off if the blade was re-used.

The replacement cartridges
are $59 .. NOT $80.

Dado cartridges are more.

Chris

brianlanning wrote:

snip
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.


Ass-hat!?!?!



HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!


.... he said ass-hat...

Thanks for the reply.
__ Bob __ wrote:
brianlanning wrote:
wrote:

Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.


I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.

brian

It is more expensive than a non-protected saw .. .. my employer just
took delivery on one .. $4,000 including 5 extra cartridges, long fence
rails, side table, 3ph 460v motor, shipping & tax.

We did 2 demonstrations for the guys who would be using it and for the
Plant Manager to see what he bought. In each case, the cartridge, of
course was destroyed .. .. but NOT the blade. We were able to tap the
teeth loose from the cartridge in both cases with no apparent damage to
them. In the event that effort failed, only 3 teeth would have had to
have been replaced .. NOT the whole blade. The replacement cartridges
are $59 .. NOT $80. The saw WILL cut green and/or pressure-treated
wood WITHOUT triggering .. the saw will stop and flash a code on it's
LED's letting you know IF it detects a condition where it MAY trigger
falsely, giving yo the option of stopping that cut or by-passing the
safety temporarily.

The saw WILL, in fact cut a hot dog neatly in two as I found out in one
of my demonstrations .. .. I placed the hot dog in a v-notch cut into a
2"X4" and proceeded to pass it thru the blade. Everyone was astonished
when the hot dog was cut in two. A few seconds later, I realized that
I was not touching the hot dog, and it occurred to all of us that the
hot dog, by itself didn't have the capacity to draw the charge off of
the blade fast enough to trip the safety. I reset everything, placed
my finger on the end of the hot dog, and tried it again. As predicted,
everything went as expected. The test was even more impressive than
the factory video in one respect. I did the test with a blade ground
with ATB. Examination of the hot dog after the test revealed that only
one tooth of the blade came in contact with the hot dog, and that was a
very shallow "nick" which would have easily been covered with a band-aid.

I retired from that company last week and on my way out, both the Plant
Manager and the Maintenance Director thanked me personally for having
made them aware of this wonderful device. They said that one visit to
the Emergency Room for stitches would have cost more than the saw, the
cost of a re-attachment of a severed finger would have been at least 10X
that amount, not to mention the pain & suffering of the amputee and the
time lost from work, etc.

I firmly believe in the SawStop, and will have one in my own shop,
hopefully before too long.

As to the point about the by-pass switch .. once activated in by-pass
mode, the saw stays in by-pass UNTIL it is shut down in any way and when
it is turned back on, the full-protect mode is automatically enabled.

That was a question in my mind - any heard of carbide teeth getting launched
due to the sudden stop?


"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
...
__ Bob __ wrote:

We did 2 demonstrations for the guys who would be using it and for the
Plant Manager to see what he bought. In each case, the cartridge, of
course was destroyed .. .. but NOT the blade. We were able to tap the
teeth loose from the cartridge in both cases with no apparent damage to
them. In the event that effort failed, only 3 teeth would have had to
have been replaced .. NOT the whole blade.

When I spoke with the reps at the wood show they said that the whole blade
would need to be replaced. Due to the stress of the sudden stop there may
be hidden damage to the teeth that could result in them flying off if the
blade was re-used.

The replacement cartridges
are $59 .. NOT $80.

Dado cartridges are more.

Chris

__ Bob __ wrote:
brianlanning wrote:
I firmly believe in the SawStop, and will have one in my own shop,
hopefully before too long.

Thanks for the post. This is probably the best and clearest info I've
seen on the sawstop so far.

brian

"brianlanning" wrote:

wrote:
Forgive him group... he knows not what he asks.

I'm gettin' the popcorn.

This reminds me of the time I asked the RV newsgroup if I had enough
tow vehicle for a particular trailer.

brian


LOL!

"let's You and Him Fight!!"

--What he said.. I've had one in my shop for over a year now;
finally triggered the cartridge the other day, when I did something stupid.
I had built a metal fixture that I knew would get nicked on the first cut
and I could have turned off the sensor but it just never crossed my mind.
That's the clue: sometimes I forget stuff and it's great that this
wonderful tool "remembers" for me. Sure, I triggered the cartridge and I
*did* destroy the blade (it tore 3 carbide teeth off of the blade; nothing
left to reattach them), but it was a lesson I was pleased to learn the easy
way, instead of the hard way. A good wake-up call.
--And the saw is incredibly well detailed, in terms of the little
things that really matter when added together, like the magnetic latch on
the internal door on the dust chute and the added hinge that lets the whole
door be removed for easier blade and cartridge changing. I like that there's
a bracket to hold the T-square, too. Many other little details, but none
come to mind at the moment. Well worth the investment. I'm waiting 'til
they've got something I can retrofit to other tools in my shop..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : There's never a tachikoma
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : around when I need one!
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

brianlanning wrote:
wrote:

Forgive him group... he knows not what he asks.


I'm gettin' the popcorn.

This reminds me of the time I asked the RV newsgroup if I had enough
tow vehicle for a particular trailer.

brian

and Will and Lon probably went to town over it. You are right popcorn time

Chris

brianlanning wrote:
wrote:

Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.


I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.

brian

What's all this got to do with Robin's butt anyway? Does Lee Valley
even sell these things? Inquiring minds bite.
twitch,
jo4hn

wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG

there was a magazine last month or so that just did a review of them.

Summary.. the quality was good. On the cabinent saw, you pay roughly a
$1000 premium.
The "table" portion of the saw was roughly 3 inches longer, which is
nice, IMO.

When the saw stop break engages, it destroys the break and the saw
blade, but it saves your hand. Very favorable review. If you are
interested, I can find the magazine and issue number.

"brianlanning" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.

It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade

Sometimes.

and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring.

Wrong


There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place.


The man who invented it is an ass-hat.

You have met him?

He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee.

Reeeeeealy...

They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

Damn., The guy that was responsable for providing electricity to all of
America must have been a member of the ass-hat club also.

wrote in message
ups.com...
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG


Typically your answers will be favorable form actual users and non favorable
from those that do not own or use one. There are a lot of urban myths
already about the saw.
For your best information you should contact owners and the manufacturer for
valid answers to your questions.

steamer wrote:
--What he said.. I've had one in my shop for over a year now;
finally triggered the cartridge the other day, when I did something stupid.
I had built a metal fixture that I knew would get nicked on the first cut
and I could have turned off the sensor but it just never crossed my mind.
That's the clue: sometimes I forget stuff and it's great that this
wonderful tool "remembers" for me. Sure, I triggered the cartridge and I
*did* destroy the blade (it tore 3 carbide teeth off of the blade; nothing
left to reattach them), but it was a lesson I was pleased to learn the easy
way, instead of the hard way. A good wake-up call.
--And the saw is incredibly well detailed, in terms of the little
things that really matter when added together, like the magnetic latch on
the internal door on the dust chute and the added hinge that lets the whole
door be removed for easier blade and cartridge changing. I like that there's
a bracket to hold the T-square, too. Many other little details, but none
come to mind at the moment. Well worth the investment. I'm waiting 'til
they've got something I can retrofit to other tools in my shop..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : There's never a tachikoma
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : around when I need one!
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---


$4000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...

Hell, I lost the end of a finger on my $500 saw. Surgery with
insurance was nothing, few co-pays on visits, 9 fingers to go, I still
think I'd come out ahead;+}

-Jim

jtpr wrote:
$4000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...

That price was for the industrial 3-phase version. iirc, the normal
220 version is about $3000.

brian

brianlanning wrote:
jtpr wrote:
$4000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...

That price was for the industrial 3-phase version. iirc, the normal
220 version is about $3000.

brian


Ooookaaaay...

$3000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...

Leon wrote:
"brianlanning" wrote

He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee.

Reeeeeealy...

Yep. He wanted 8% of the wholsale price of the saw. On a $2300 saw
(Amazon's price on a PM66), that's $184. Plus, the mechanism itself was
estimated to add about $150 to the price, so now the "safe" version of
the saw costs at least $334 more.


They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.

Damn., The guy that was responsable for providing electricity to all of
America must have been a member of the ass-hat club also.

If it was offered as an option from many manufacturers for $150 over the
regular saw, I suspect there would be a lot of takers.

Trying to force companies to put it on every saw out there (at 8% per
saw going to SawStop) is a whole different story.

Chris

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:47:34 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:



Damn., The guy that was responsable for providing electricity to all of
America must have been a member of the ass-hat club also.


Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse thank you for making them members
of the "ass-hat" club.

On 7 Nov 2006 19:01:57 -0800, wrote:

Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG

Magazine reviews look upon this saw quite favorably. In fact, I think
the actual device is probably pretty nice.

My personal opinion is that I don't care for the method the inventor
has chosen to get it into every shop in America. Were it not for his
actions in doing that, I may have saved my money to get one.

As it is, I went ahead a bought a nice new saw that doesn't have the
sawstop feature partly as my own "drop in the bucket" protest against
the inventors actions. Of course it also matters that it was time for
a new saw, not just some sort of statement.

On 8 Nov 2006 10:32:47 -0800, "bf" wrote:

When the saw stop break engages, it destroys the break and the saw
blade, but it saves your hand. Very favorable review. If you are
interested, I can find the magazine and issue number.

I think it was Popular Woodworking but I'm not going to go check. And
yes, it saves your hand, if it was your hand that triggered it, but
since tons of people report having it go off accidentally when their
hands were not in danger, it gets pretty expensive. There's nothing
wrong with the technology if you choose to use it, but when it's close
to $200 out of pocket every time it goes off and most people, like me,
have yet to cut anything off, just by being careful, it's questionable
whether or not it's a good investment.

"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
"brianlanning" wrote

He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee.

Reeeeeealy...

Yep. He wanted 8% of the wholsale price of the saw. On a $2300 saw
(Amazon's price on a PM66), that's $184. Plus, the mechanism itself was
estimated to add about $150 to the price, so now the "safe" version of the
saw costs at least $334 more.


The $2300 is not the wholesale price.

I wonder what every manufacturer has to pay in royalties for the current
guards. You might be surprised what you pay for in the products you buy.
If you ever bought a Pontiac TransAm, you paid extra for just the TramsAm
name.

"George Max" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:47:34 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:



Damn., The guy that was responsable for providing electricity to all of
America must have been a member of the ass-hat club also.


Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse thank you for making them members
of the "ass-hat" club.


I was surprised to learn recently that he ran a big scam to light up America
that apparently made the Enron fiasco pale by comparison. Apparently he was
penniless and had to go to trial but was forgiven by the jury since he did
in fact light up America and ended up broke.

Mike wrote:
Ooookaaaay...

$3000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...

You have to compare it to a powermatic saw I think. It's that level of
quality and refinement. Admitedly, not everyone can afford (or wants
to afford) a saw that expensive. For me, I have to think long and hard
about whether it's better to get a grizzly 12" saw with all the goodies
and an overarm blade guard.

iirc, their contractor's saw is supposed to be around $1500. Still
more than twice what a grizzly would cost.

It's a calculated risk that everyone has to decide to take or not.

For now, I'll use my dangerous delta contractor's saw the way it is
until I can pay for an overarm blade guard.

brian

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:49:18 -0500, "__ Bob __"
wrote:

[snip]

I retired from that company last week and on my way out, both the Plant
Manager and the Maintenance Director thanked me personally for having
made them aware of this wonderful device. They said that one visit to
the Emergency Room for stitches would have cost more than the saw, the
cost of a re-attachment of a severed finger would have been at least 10X
that amount, not to mention the pain & suffering of the amputee and the
time lost from work, etc.

I firmly believe in the SawStop, and will have one in my own shop,
hopefully before too long.

If they had any class, they would buy you one as a retirement thank
you.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

"LRod" wrote in message

If they had any class, they would buy you one as a retirement thank
you.


Damn good idea. :!)

writes:

wrote:
Is anyone using the Saw Stop Table Saw? If so what do you think about
the quality of construction and performance.

Thanks
DG

Forgive him... he knows not what he asks.

He probably saw the reference in Time magazine.

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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:11:27 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

"George Max" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:47:34 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

Damn., The guy that was responsable for providing electricity to all of
America must have been a member of the ass-hat club also.

Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse thank you for making them members
of the "ass-hat" club.

I was surprised to learn recently that he ran a big scam to light up America
that apparently made the Enron fiasco pale by comparison. Apparently he was
penniless and had to go to trial but was forgiven by the jury since he did
in fact light up America and ended up broke.

There was dirty dealing all around in the effort to "light up
America." Edison, promoting his direct current system, charged
(sorry) that Tesla's alternating current was dangerous and distributed
literature showing electrocuted animals as examples. He conveniently
failed to note that electrocution by DC was more than a remote
possibility, as well. Note the signs in subway or elevated stations.
The trains, in Chicago at least, run on DC, as I recall.

Edison's failed campaign, incidentally, eventually led to the
development of the electric chair for executions of criminals.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

"LRod" wrote in message
...

There was dirty dealing all around in the effort to "light up
America." Edison, promoting his direct current system, charged
(sorry) that Tesla's alternating current was dangerous and distributed
literature showing electrocuted animals as examples. He conveniently
failed to note that electrocution by DC was more than a remote
possibility, as well. Note the signs in subway or elevated stations.
The trains, in Chicago at least, run on DC, as I recall.


Yeah, I recall that also. I got a short history lesson from my son's
history professor last year during orientation.

"jo4hn" wrote in message
...
snip
Does Lee Valley even sell these things? Inquiring minds bite.
twitch,
jo4hn

Nope - we don't do the tailed stuff....

But we are just about done replacing every tablesaw we have with Saw
Stop's.... we'll have 14 or 15 installed when done.

Cheers -

Rob

Leon wrote:

Typically your answers will be favorable form actual users and non favorable
from those that do not own or use one.

Reminds me of the Leigh dovetail jigs. G

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
Leon wrote:

Typically your answers will be favorable form actual users and non
favorable
from those that do not own or use one.

Reminds me of the Leigh dovetail jigs. G

Gee ... where would the wRec be without opinion trumping experience?

--
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Last update: 10/29/06

jtpr wrote:
$4000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...
--Who said it costs $4k?? Not even half that IIRC. Not much more
than a Delta: a pittance when you think about the potential downsides..


--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Why do weekend projects
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : always last a month??
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---