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Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I
was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan |
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On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01"
wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank |
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:24:27 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Yeah, good point. Especially the second paragraph sounds more like an advertisement to me. |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) I hope none of them ever goes off - but I can almost guarantee at least one will eventually. I can also tell you from personal experience that the fine for at fault accidents (and this is determined by a trial) is 100K. That does not include Workmans Comp, legal fees, or management time. I can also add that all of our staff really like the saw too... I don't find two "saves" to be a stretch at all... Statistically - an invidual isn't likely to lose a digit, and makes decisions accordingly. Statistically as a corporation, we're likely to have an accident with the number of saws we have and the number of users - so we make our decisions accordingly. Cheers - Rob Lee |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:48 -0400, "Rob Lee"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) I hope none of them ever goes off - but I can almost guarantee at least one will eventually. I can also tell you from personal experience that the fine for at fault accidents (and this is determined by a trial) is 100K. That does not include Workmans Comp, legal fees, or management time. I can also add that all of our staff really like the saw too... I don't find two "saves" to be a stretch at all... Statistically - an invidual isn't likely to lose a digit, and makes decisions accordingly. Statistically as a corporation, we're likely to have an accident with the number of saws we have and the number of users - so we make our decisions accordingly. Cheers - Rob Lee Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Frank |
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Frank Boettcher (in ) said:
| Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a | regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who | is "we"? Rob is the President of Lee Valley Tools Ltd, and generally lurks more than he posts. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto |
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Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:48 -0400, "Rob Lee" wrote: Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Rob runs Lee Valley Tools. Chris |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Robin is president of Lee Valley Tools who I believe are the largest hand tools retailer in Canada. Request a catalogue online and I expect you'll become a customer. http://www.leevalley.com/ |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:48 -0400, "Rob Lee" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message . .. On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) I hope none of them ever goes off - but I can almost guarantee at least one will eventually. I can also tell you from personal experience that the fine for at fault accidents (and this is determined by a trial) is 100K. That does not include Workmans Comp, legal fees, or management time. I can also add that all of our staff really like the saw too... I don't find two "saves" to be a stretch at all... Statistically - an invidual isn't likely to lose a digit, and makes decisions accordingly. Statistically as a corporation, we're likely to have an accident with the number of saws we have and the number of users - so we make our decisions accordingly. Cheers - Rob Lee Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Frank Hi Frank - I'm just a guy who doesn't like staff with with stitches.... :) (As noted - Lee Valley Tools.) We have 13 stores - each with a woodshop (for staff to use, and for building displays, giving seminars etc...). Our manufacturing and R&D shops also have saws... Should also note that we've stopped using dado sets too... nothing wrong with them, there are just safer ways to achieve the same thing in our environment (many users, multiple skill levels). I personally have an Inca with a sliding table (and riving knife) - so won't be buying a Sawstop. Cheers - Rob |
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"arw01" wrote in message oups.com... Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. I have heard of this happening several times from posters in the group. LeeValley has gone this route and I would not be suprised if WoodCraft follows that trend now that they actually sell the SawStop. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. I have only heard of 1 complaint/problem with the SawStop having a false positive. SawStop corrected the problem and IIRC the person having the problem was reported to have later had a positive trigger that saved him from injury. Do a DAGS to locate the post in this group. Other than that I have only heard and read praise about the machine from ACTUAL users. |
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Leon wrote:
I have only heard of 1 complaint/problem with the SawStop having a false positive. SawStop corrected the problem and IIRC the person having the problem was reported to have later had a positive trigger that saved him from injury. Do a DAGS to locate the post in this group. Other than that I have only heard and read praise about the machine from ACTUAL users. I think the machine itself is great. The saw appears well-made, operates smoothly, generally a nice piece of equipment. The stopping mechanism is impressive to watch (saw it at a wood show). At the moment it's too expensive for me as a home user (half again as much as a made-in-Canada General?), and I think the political machinations are despicable. Chris |
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Joe Bemier wrote:
USA Today likes to print fancy looking charts and graphs to go with a particular story. However, try to find the confidence interval or standard deviation to go with the data. The charts are nice, but unless we can see how the data was prepared and the variable, it means very little. Not only that-- the way they scale their charts is almost always extremely misleading. Say, for example, they've got some stat that's gone from 1012 up to 1097 over some period of time. That's under 8.5%, not very impressive really. So they start the Y axis of the damned chart at 1000 instead of zero and end at 1100. Now the number goes from near the bottom to near the top, and it looks like whatever they're reporting has octupled. It drives me crazy. |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:15:40 -0400, "Rob Lee"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:48 -0400, "Rob Lee" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) I hope none of them ever goes off - but I can almost guarantee at least one will eventually. I can also tell you from personal experience that the fine for at fault accidents (and this is determined by a trial) is 100K. That does not include Workmans Comp, legal fees, or management time. I can also add that all of our staff really like the saw too... I don't find two "saves" to be a stretch at all... Statistically - an invidual isn't likely to lose a digit, and makes decisions accordingly. Statistically as a corporation, we're likely to have an accident with the number of saws we have and the number of users - so we make our decisions accordingly. Cheers - Rob Lee Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Frank Hi Frank - I'm just a guy who doesn't like staff with with stitches.... :) (As noted - Lee Valley Tools.) We have 13 stores - each with a woodshop (for staff to use, and for building displays, giving seminars etc...). Our manufacturing and R&D shops also have saws... Should also note that we've stopped using dado sets too... nothing wrong with them, there are just safer ways to achieve the same thing in our environment (many users, multiple skill levels). I personally have an Inca with a sliding table (and riving knife) - so won't be buying a Sawstop. Cheers - Rob Rob, Thanks for responding. It's good to have a substantiated claim by someone who has made the decision to move in that direction, and I hope you were not offended by my lack of recognition. SawStop has been somewhat controversial and I've detected some trolls in the past when this subject comes up. I suspect that if, the quantity of table saw injuries that have sometimes been put on this board without substantiation were true, someone from my organization would have be in deposition twenty-four hours a day. The controversy, in my opinion, is not in the area of advancing the technology which is a good thing, but in getting the UL/CSA standards boards or the goverment to mandate the technology and force it on every manufacturer. I'm not in favor of that. Based on the crowd they drew at IWF this year and years past, they should be able to promote the technology without the mandate. Frank |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:15:40 -0400, "Rob Lee"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:48 -0400, "Rob Lee" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On 14 Sep 2006 17:36:44 -0700, "arw01" wrote: Been in production use for 2 years in the small building I was at. I was told the main factory had another 12 of them. Last summer they sold all the Powermatics and Unisaws (10) at an auction. They loved the saw, and it had made two saves for them in the last 2 years, both ended up with a tiny scar after a band-aid was applied. The workman's compensation claims would have been HUGE. Alan Since this is a controversial subject it would be appropriate for you to name the organization that you speak of and provide contact information so that others may check for themselves. Frank Frank - we've made exactly the same decision here... replacing all of our table saws with Sawstops... (14 at least, probably more...) I hope none of them ever goes off - but I can almost guarantee at least one will eventually. I can also tell you from personal experience that the fine for at fault accidents (and this is determined by a trial) is 100K. That does not include Workmans Comp, legal fees, or management time. I can also add that all of our staff really like the saw too... I don't find two "saves" to be a stretch at all... Statistically - an invidual isn't likely to lose a digit, and makes decisions accordingly. Statistically as a corporation, we're likely to have an accident with the number of saws we have and the number of users - so we make our decisions accordingly. Cheers - Rob Lee Good for you, Rob, and pardon my ignorance in the event you are a regular poster to this newsgroup, well known to all but me, but who is "we"? Frank Hi Frank - I'm just a guy who doesn't like staff with with stitches.... :) (As noted - Lee Valley Tools.) We have 13 stores - each with a woodshop (for staff to use, and for building displays, giving seminars etc...). Our manufacturing and R&D shops also have saws... Should also note that we've stopped using dado sets too... nothing wrong with them, there are just safer ways to achieve the same thing in our environment (many users, multiple skill levels). I personally have an Inca with a sliding table (and riving knife) - so won't be buying a Sawstop. Cheers - Rob That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. On a side note; I will be interested to know if your *fire rate* exceeds that of historical accident rates. In other words will the safety mechanism result in operators becoming more sloppy. |
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"Joe Bemier" wrote in message ... That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. That would be trading down as Sawstop does not offer a sliding table. On a side note; I will be interested to know if your *fire rate* exceeds that of historical accident rates. In other words will the safety mechanism result in operators becoming more sloppy. Operators should not become more sloppy just as gun owners did not become more sloppy when the safety was added. A blade spinning at 100 mph and the fact that a blade that is not spinning will still cut you should be enough of a deterrent. |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:35:28 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "Joe Bemier" wrote in message .. . That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. That would be trading down as Sawstop does not offer a sliding table. For whatever reason, Leon - the point is he won't be buying one. On a side note; I will be interested to know if your *fire rate* exceeds that of historical accident rates. In other words will the safety mechanism result in operators becoming more sloppy. Operators should not become more sloppy just as gun owners did not become more sloppy when the safety was added. A blade spinning at 100 mph and the fact that a blade that is not spinning will still cut you should be enough of a deterrent. You are citing logic (and I agree with you) but, I'm interested to know the reality. There are many *should nots* in this world but we can never depend on that. Here's one- People *should not* operate a motor vehicle while intoxicated. |
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"Chris Friesen" wrote in message ... I think the machine itself is great. The saw appears well-made, operates smoothly, generally a nice piece of equipment. The stopping mechanism is impressive to watch (saw it at a wood show). Well perhaps in the future as the contractor versions come out or as other manufacturers follow Powermatic in starting to add more safety features the saw will come down in price. At the moment it's too expensive for me as a home user (half again as much as a made-in-Canada General?), and I think the political machinations are despicable. Chris IMHO until you actually loose a digit you may never agree with how it is brought to market. I was always careful and lost half of my thumb to my old Craftsman saw. As careful as I am I still had the accident after finishing the cut and after turning the saw off. My position is that in this particular case I think every one would benefit from this device because proper technique does not guarantee freedom from injury. Say a child sneaks into your shop and turns the saw on and the unthinkable happens. There are millions of possibilities. I am kind of like a parent that becomes involved in the prevention of a disease after he looses a child to that disease. You really don't see the big picture until it is too late. The government got involved and required kids to be immunized before starting school and as a result many child hood diseases were almost wiped out. Unfortunately the government does not enforce this as strictly it has in the past and some of those diseases are on the rise. I am sure there are still some parents that wish the government had not gotten involved in immunizations also. Whether your view is pro or con IMHO this is one of the situations where government involvement would better serve the general public than many other situations it is involved in. I don't want the government involved any more than the next person but in this situation I can find it easier to swallow that pill. |
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"Leon" wrote:
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message .. . That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. That would be trading down as Sawstop does not offer a sliding table. Maybe, although your argument is less than compelling. (I don't think I would be trading down from my Ryobi, just because I would be giving up a sliding tableVBG.) On a side note; I will be interested to know if your *fire rate* exceeds that of historical accident rates. In other words will the safety mechanism result in operators becoming more sloppy. Operators should not become more sloppy just as gun owners did not become more sloppy when the safety was added. A blade spinning at 100 mph and the fact that a blade that is not spinning will still cut you should be enough of a deterrent. I agree it shouldn't. But it would be nice to see data to support or refute that (not that LV's experience, even over many years, would be statistically significant). -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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"Joe Bemier" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:35:28 GMT, "Leon" wrote: "Joe Bemier" wrote in message . .. That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. That would be trading down as Sawstop does not offer a sliding table. For whatever reason, Leon - the point is he won't be buying one. Exactly. You wanted to attach an opinion, Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. So did I. On a side note; I will be interested to know if your *fire rate* exceeds that of historical accident rates. In other words will the safety mechanism result in operators becoming more sloppy. Operators should not become more sloppy just as gun owners did not become more sloppy when the safety was added. A blade spinning at 100 mph and the fact that a blade that is not spinning will still cut you should be enough of a deterrent. You are citing logic (and I agree with you) but, I'm interested to know the reality. There are many *should nots* in this world but we can never depend on that. Here's one- People *should not* operate a motor vehicle while intoxicated. Well, I see the point you are trying to make, I think, however should we not try to improve because we know that we cannot protect against every senerio? |
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"alexy" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote: "Joe Bemier" wrote in message . .. That's good info, Rob. I particularly note the fact that you will not be buying one for personal use. Further reinforcing the opinion that the technology is good in some applications, but should not be forced on those who don't feel the need. That would be trading down as Sawstop does not offer a sliding table. Maybe, although your argument is less than compelling. (I don't think I would be trading down from my Ryobi, just because I would be giving up a sliding tableVBG.) LOL, yeah, I forgot to include the brand saw he is using also. |
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Leon wrote:
...... The government got involved and required kids to be immunized before starting school and as a result many child hood diseases were almost wiped out. Unfortunately the government does not enforce this as strictly it has in the past and some of those diseases are on the rise. Sorry Leon, but that is not correct. Having been employed with public health for 17+ years, I can assure you the enforcements are even stricter than before. However, your observation that there has been a rise in the incidents of childhood infectious disease is correct. If you look at the demographic breakdown, you'll see that the rise is occuring due to illegal migrants. The mexican, central and south american countries do not have the same level of immunization laws and required compliance as America. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: ...... The government got involved and required kids to be immunized before starting school and as a result many child hood diseases were almost wiped out. Unfortunately the government does not enforce this as strictly it has in the past and some of those diseases are on the rise. Sorry Leon, but that is not correct. Having been employed with public health for 17+ years, I can assure you the enforcements are even stricter than before. However, your observation that there has been a rise in the incidents of childhood infectious disease is correct. If you look at the demographic breakdown, you'll see that the rise is occuring due to illegal migrants. The mexican, central and south american countries do not have the same level of immunization laws and required compliance as America. The rise in illegal migrants was what I was getting at. Sorry for the choice of words in that respect. |
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Leon wrote:
The rise in illegal migrants was what I was getting at. Sorry for the choice of words in that respect. Ah, I understand now. :-) -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration came along
to blame for all of society's woes... Is there anything that can't be blamed on illegal immigration? I mean the illegal folks didn't elect the criminal inhabiting the white house or invade Iraq did they? John E. "Dave Bugg" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: The rise in illegal migrants was what I was getting at. Sorry for the choice of words in that respect. Ah, I understand now. :-) -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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"John Emmons" wrote in message It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration came along to blame for all of society's woes... We didn't complain as much because we didn't pay as much in taxes to support so many other people, illegal or not. Nor did we educate people in 20 different languages. Or try to. |
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No need to go to Iraq to invade a country. All they have to do is walk
across the border and invade this one. todd "John Emmons" wrote in message ... It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration came along to blame for all of society's woes... Is there anything that can't be blamed on illegal immigration? I mean the illegal folks didn't elect the criminal inhabiting the white house or invade Iraq did they? John E. "Dave Bugg" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: The rise in illegal migrants was what I was getting at. Sorry for the choice of words in that respect. Ah, I understand now. :-) -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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John Emmons wrote:
It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration came along to blame for all of society's woes... This isn't stuff made up to simply blame illegal immigrants, it is an unfortunate reality. In our health district alone, it was becoming an almost an overwhelming chase to try to track down the families of illegals to try and get the kids immunized and to get TB testing done. In LA County there were over 180 deaths last year due to measles; these outbreaks were primarily among the unimmunized kids of illegals. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Dave Bugg (in ) said:
| John Emmons wrote: | || It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration || came along to blame for all of society's woes... | | This isn't stuff made up to simply blame illegal immigrants, it is | an unfortunate reality. In our health district alone, it was | becoming an almost an overwhelming chase to try to track down the | families of illegals to try and get the kids immunized and to get | TB testing done. In LA County there were over 180 deaths last year | due to measles; these outbreaks were primarily among the | unimmunized kids of illegals. This isn't exactly a new scenario. I think I recall reading that immigrants brought the first cases of smallpox, cholera, and several varieties of VD to the Americas - leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths and the demise of at least one major culture. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto |
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John Emmons wrote:
SNIP Is there anything that can't be blamed on illegal immigration? I mean the illegal folks didn't elect the criminal inhabiting the white house No, the "former" Cubans did (see election results - Florida)! If you think Isreal's lobbying capacity and influence is pretty powerful - check out the Anti-Castro Cuban American influence. Wonder what they'll obsess on when Castro dies? charlie b My first "hard liquor" drink was a Cuba Libre - in Panama. At least "la revolucion" had one positive affect. |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:57:38 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: I was always careful and lost half of my thumb to my old Craftsman saw. As careful as I am I still had the accident after finishing the cut and after turning the saw off. Not trying to start an arguement here, but how would a SawStop have helped you in the circumstances you describe? Or maybe you weren't trying to make SS' case with your accident. It wasn't clear to me which (nor was it in all the stuff I snipped). -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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"LRod" wrote in message Not trying to start an arguement here, but how would a SawStop have helped you in the circumstances you describe? Or maybe you weren't trying to make SS' case with your accident. It wasn't clear to me which (nor was it in all the stuff I snipped). I believe the Sawstop system stays active until the blade stops spinning. |
Asked a commercial cabinet shop about their SawStop(s)
"LRod" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:57:38 GMT, "Leon" wrote: I was always careful and lost half of my thumb to my old Craftsman saw. As careful as I am I still had the accident after finishing the cut and after turning the saw off. Not trying to start an arguement here, but how would a SawStop have helped you in the circumstances you describe? Or maybe you weren't trying to make SS' case with your accident. It wasn't clear to me which (nor was it in all the stuff I snipped). :~) If the blade is still spinning after the saw is turned off the blade can still get you. Now that is pretty obvious but falls into one of the millions of ways an accident can happen when you are not cutting wood. When not cutting wood the average person is probably not as attentive as he should be, I was not. The SawStop would prevent this because it still works if the blade is turning after being turned off. I verified this feature soon after the SawStop was introduced. |
Asked a commercial cabinet shop about their SawStop(s)
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Asked a commercial cabinet shop about their SawStop(s)
Upscale wrote:
"LRod" wrote in message Not trying to start an arguement here, but how would a SawStop have helped you in the circumstances you describe? Or maybe you weren't trying to make SS' case with your accident. It wasn't clear to me which (nor was it in all the stuff I snipped). I believe the Sawstop system stays active until the blade stops spinning. You are correct, it does. Glen |
Asked a commercial cabinet shop about their SawStop(s)
In the first place I ever worked where I used a table saw, the rule was that
the first thing that you did after turning off the saw was to crank the blade down below the table. I still do that now. On the few occasions that that is not practical, being in the habit of cranking it down forces you to think about that blade being exposed. "Leon" wrote in message ... :~) If the blade is still spinning after the saw is turned off the blade can still get you. Now that is pretty obvious but falls into one of the millions of ways an accident can happen when you are not cutting wood. When not cutting wood the average person is probably not as attentive as he should be, I was not. The SawStop would prevent this because it still works if the blade is turning after being turned off. I verified this feature soon after the SawStop was introduced. |
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