What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck on a new foundation to
replace an old cedar structure that was rotting out, top and bottom.
Started bright and early (0600) Friday and just about done at 1400
today (Monday). Dallas heat/humidity made it a real sweater, but lots
of Gatorade and a couple of advils each evening kept the old body from
pooping out. Had help Friday (hired type) digging holes for the posts
and laying out the foundation, after that it was a 1 man show.

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/

A few comments:

1. IPE is not as bad to cut or rout as its reputation might lend one
to think, but -
2. IPE splinters are nasty! Small but very strong and sharp.
3. Getting the boards to come together on the IPE clips requires a
BUNCH of Bessey clamps to span 14'. Hook 'em plate to plate and just
keep adding clamps. Had to use the old pipe clamps and 5' of pipe at
one point. The boars weren't greatly off kilter, but 5/4 IPE does NOT
bend across a 5 1/2 inch width willingly.
4. IPE clips are neat, look great, but they do take time to get in.
5. Round the corners off as you go if you don't want a nasty gash on
your shin bone (DAMHIKT).

If anyone needs about 275 IPE clips (the ones with the SS insert) and
the SS screws to go with them, drop me an email. I dicker easy!

Regards.

Tom Banes wrote:
What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck...

And what a deck it is! It looks excellent Tom. Are you going to treat
the wood at all or just let it weather to grey?

JP

Very nice Tom. I am getting ready to make my deck larger myself.


"Tom Banes" wrote in message
...
What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck on a new foundation to
replace an old cedar structure that was rotting out, top and bottom.
Started bright and early (0600) Friday and just about done at 1400
today (Monday). Dallas heat/humidity made it a real sweater, but lots
of Gatorade and a couple of advils each evening kept the old body from
pooping out. Had help Friday (hired type) digging holes for the posts
and laying out the foundation, after that it was a 1 man show.

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/

A few comments:

1. IPE is not as bad to cut or rout as its reputation might lend one
to think, but -

Certainly need sharp tools but it drills kije a dream.


2. IPE splinters are nasty! Small but very strong and sharp.

Normally after you address the splinters at the cuts you will not have to
worry any longer about them.


3. Getting the boards to come together on the IPE clips requires a
BUNCH of Bessey clamps to span 14'. Hook 'em plate to plate and just
keep adding clamps. Had to use the old pipe clamps and 5' of pipe at
one point. The boars weren't greatly off kilter, but 5/4 IPE does NOT
bend across a 5 1/2 inch width willingly.
4. IPE clips are neat, look great, but they do take time to get in.
5. Round the corners off as you go if you don't want a nasty gash on
your shin bone (DAMHIKT).

;~) See #2 above. oups too late.


If anyone needs about 275 IPE clips (the ones with the SS insert) and
the SS screws to go with them, drop me an email. I dicker easy!

Regards.

On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:33:32 -0500, Tom Banes
wrote:


http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/


Nice work Tom.

Tom Banes wrote:
What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck on a new foundation to
replace an old cedar structure that was rotting out, top and bottom.
Started bright and early (0600) Friday and just about done at 1400
today (Monday). Dallas heat/humidity made it a real sweater, but lots
of Gatorade and a couple of advils each evening kept the old body from
pooping out. Had help Friday (hired type) digging holes for the posts
and laying out the foundation, after that it was a 1 man show.

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/

A few comments:

1. IPE is not as bad to cut or rout as its reputation might lend one
to think, but -
2. IPE splinters are nasty! Small but very strong and sharp.
3. Getting the boards to come together on the IPE clips requires a
BUNCH of Bessey clamps to span 14'. Hook 'em plate to plate and just
keep adding clamps. Had to use the old pipe clamps and 5' of pipe at
one point. The boars weren't greatly off kilter, but 5/4 IPE does NOT
bend across a 5 1/2 inch width willingly.
4. IPE clips are neat, look great, but they do take time to get in.
5. Round the corners off as you go if you don't want a nasty gash on
your shin bone (DAMHIKT).

If anyone needs about 275 IPE clips (the ones with the SS insert) and
the SS screws to go with them, drop me an email. I dicker easy!

It looks nice in the pictures, but I really can't can't make a final
determination from the pictures. I'll need to make a site visit. I'll
probably bring a few friends, err, judges, so if you could have the
coolers and keg ready to go and make sure the BBQ propane tank is full,
that would be great. You obviously can't be home when the judges are
delibirating - we've had problems with attempts at bribery. Just leave
the food in the refrigerator and the key under a rock by the back door
when you leave. Our decision will be messengered to you as soon as the
hangover clears.

thank you

IPE Deck Association

"Tom Banes" wrote in message
...
What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck on a new foundation to
replace an old cedar structure that was rotting out, top and bottom.
Started bright and early (0600) Friday and just about done at 1400
today (Monday). Dallas heat/humidity made it a real sweater, but lots
of Gatorade and a couple of advils each evening kept the old body from
pooping out. Had help Friday (hired type) digging holes for the posts
and laying out the foundation, after that it was a 1 man show.

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/

That is a GORGEOUS deck!

- Owen -

On 29 May 2006 13:46:03 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:

JP:

Plan for now is to hit it with Messimers oil once a year. We'll see
how that works going forward.

Regards.


And what a deck it is! It looks excellent Tom. Are you going to treat
the wood at all or just let it weather to grey?

JP

"RicodJour" wrote in message
oups.com...
Tom Banes wrote:
What a weekend! 450 square feet of IPE deck on a new foundation to
replace an old cedar structure that was rotting out, top and bottom.
Started bright and early (0600) Friday and just about done at 1400
today (Monday). Dallas heat/humidity made it a real sweater, but lots
of Gatorade and a couple of advils each evening kept the old body from
pooping out. Had help Friday (hired type) digging holes for the posts
and laying out the foundation, after that it was a 1 man show.

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/

A few comments:

1. IPE is not as bad to cut or rout as its reputation might lend one
to think, but -
2. IPE splinters are nasty! Small but very strong and sharp.
3. Getting the boards to come together on the IPE clips requires a
BUNCH of Bessey clamps to span 14'. Hook 'em plate to plate and just
keep adding clamps. Had to use the old pipe clamps and 5' of pipe at
one point. The boars weren't greatly off kilter, but 5/4 IPE does NOT
bend across a 5 1/2 inch width willingly.
4. IPE clips are neat, look great, but they do take time to get in.
5. Round the corners off as you go if you don't want a nasty gash on
your shin bone (DAMHIKT).

If anyone needs about 275 IPE clips (the ones with the SS insert) and
the SS screws to go with them, drop me an email. I dicker easy!

It looks nice in the pictures, but I really can't can't make a final
determination from the pictures. I'll need to make a site visit. I'll
probably bring a few friends, err, judges, so if you could have the
coolers and keg ready to go and make sure the BBQ propane tank is full,
that would be great. You obviously can't be home when the judges are
delibirating - we've had problems with attempts at bribery. Just leave
the food in the refrigerator and the key under a rock by the back door
when you leave. Our decision will be messengered to you as soon as the
hangover clears.

thank you

IPE Deck Association

TOO FUNNY!!!!

Jacques:

Bonne chance, mon cher ami! But, the beer is cold. I'm sucking my
fourth today, trying to replenish "precious bodily fluids" and I have
a nice Sauterne chilled and ready for diner and SWMBO. So, bring on
the judges, the grill is connected to the main and I have about 40# of
venison from last year aging in the freezer. Stewed or chicken fried,
your choice.

Remember the fallen and those who serve.

Regards.

On 29 May 2006 14:55:02 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:


It looks nice in the pictures, but I really can't can't make a final
determination from the pictures. I'll need to make a site visit. I'll
probably bring a few friends, err, judges, so if you could have the
coolers and keg ready to go and make sure the BBQ propane tank is full,
that would be great. You obviously can't be home when the judges are
delibirating - we've had problems with attempts at bribery. Just leave
the food in the refrigerator and the key under a rock by the back door
when you leave. Our decision will be messengered to you as soon as the
hangover clears.

thank you

IPE Deck Association

Ok, since we're on the subject, what is IPE???

"Tom Banes" wrote in message
...
Kije?

Anyway - yes.

Freud Dablo blade on the Milwaukee CS worked great. Freud forstner 3/8
bit for counter boring the holes in the edge boards for plugs - needed
2 after the first one started smoking in the hole.

I did find a legimate use for a belt sander though. Knocking off those
sharp corners! That was NOT precision work!


On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:27:05 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

Very nice Tom. I am getting ready to make my deck larger myself.


Certainly need sharp tools but it drills kije a dream.

RicodJour wrote:
It looks nice in the pictures, but I really can't can't make a final
determination from the pictures. I'll need to make a site visit. I'll
probably bring a few friends, err, judges, so if you could have the
coolers and keg ready to go and make sure the BBQ propane tank is full,
that would be great. You obviously can't be home when the judges are
delibirating - we've had problems with attempts at bribery. Just leave
the food in the refrigerator and the key under a rock by the back door
when you leave. Our decision will be messengered to you as soon as the
hangover clears.

thank you

IPE Deck Association

I have this vision of Tom coming home to a deck stripped down to joists
and beams.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if that type of theft has ever
occurred? Teak, perhaps?

JP

Owen:

Thanks.

Regards.


On Mon, 29 May 2006 17:55:55 -0400, "Owen Lawrence"
wrote:


That is a GORGEOUS deck!

- Owen -

Tim Taylor wrote:

Ok, since we're on the subject, what is IPE???


See:

http://www.ipedepot.com/

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

(Remove -SPAM- to send email)

JP:

As each board is held not just by the Ipe clip, but also by a bead of
Gorilla Glue. The surviving perps (Texas has a really neat "castle
defense" law, and a 10 guage loaded with home grown 00 buck is pretty
impressive at ranges under 30 yards - like 18 .32 caliber round balls
at ~1400 FPS) will end up chain sawing out 14 1/2 inch chunks. Not
much gain there as it won't burn. Lots of pen blanks, or plane soles
for Ron Knight though.

Regards.

On 29 May 2006 16:56:32 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:

I have this vision of Tom coming home to a deck stripped down to joists
and beams.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if that type of theft has ever
occurred? Teak, perhaps?

JP

"no(SPAM)vasys" wrote in message
...
Tim Taylor wrote:

Ok, since we're on the subject, what is IPE???


See:

http://www.ipedepot.com/

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

(Remove -SPAM- to send email)

Many thanks!. I'll check it out when I have a little more time. I've got to
something about my deck. It's in desperate need of repair.

"Tom Banes" wrote in message

http://web2.airmail.net/xleanone/index.html/Deck/


This is a nasty trick, but I didn't fall for it. My wife was nearby and I
waited until she was out of the room to look. Glad I did or I'd be re-doing
mine next week.

Nice job.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

"Tom Banes" wrote in message
...
Kije?

Anyway - yes.

Um yeah. That was my Texas spell checker working there. Kije = Like. ;~)



Freud Dablo blade on the Milwaukee CS worked great. Freud forstner 3/8
bit for counter boring the holes in the edge boards for plugs - needed
2 after the first one started smoking in the hole.

I have done literally thousands of plunge cuts with a HSS 3/8" 4 flute end
mill bit mounted in a router. Idly it did much better than carbide.
Something to think about for future Ipe projects.




I did find a legimate use for a belt sander though. Knocking off those
sharp corners! That was NOT precision work!


On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:27:05 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

Very nice Tom. I am getting ready to make my deck larger myself.


Certainly need sharp tools but it drills kije a dream.

"Tim Taylor" wrote in message
...

"no(SPAM)vasys" wrote in message
...
Tim Taylor wrote:

Ok, since we're on the subject, what is IPE???


Basically a Central American, Mexico, Iron Wood. Very hard and lasts a very
long time outdoors, untreated.

"Leon" wrote in message
.com...

"Tim Taylor" wrote in message
...

"no(SPAM)vasys" wrote in message
...
Tim Taylor wrote:

Ok, since we're on the subject, what is IPE???


Basically a Central American, Mexico, Iron Wood. Very hard and lasts a
very long time outdoors, untreated.

Thanks Leon. I was thinking it was the stuff you can get at Lowe's, Home
Depot, Menards. But it's not is it? What is that fake wood stuff called?
Composite??

Ooops! Next time I'll post a fair warning with the link. Can't have
wives coming up with projects for us, now can we? Unless, of course,
the project will require a special tool from LV - hmm, gotta start
planning that one. What project absolutely requires a low angle jack
plane? Hmmm.

Regards.


On Tue, 30 May 2006 02:40:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:
This is a nasty trick, but I didn't fall for it. My wife was nearby and I
waited until she was out of the room to look. Glad I did or I'd be re-doing
mine next week.

Nice job.

Tom Banes wrote:
JP:

As each board is held not just by the Ipe clip, but also by a bead of
Gorilla Glue. The surviving perps (Texas has a really neat "castle
defense" law, and a 10 guage loaded with home grown 00 buck is pretty
impressive at ranges under 30 yards - like 18 .32 caliber round balls
at ~1400 FPS) will end up chain sawing out 14 1/2 inch chunks.

Oh yeah, buckshot'll do the trick, no question. We used to hunt with
it in South Carolina, and dogs too. Nothing like standing in the
middle of a cutdown praying that deer don't jump between you and Crazy
Carl, who also liked to hunt with a 10-gauge.

JP



Not
much gain there as it won't burn. Lots of pen blanks, or plane soles
for Ron Knight though.

Regards.

On 29 May 2006 16:56:32 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:

I have this vision of Tom coming home to a deck stripped down to joists
and beams.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if that type of theft has ever
occurred? Teak, perhaps?

JP

"Tim Taylor" wrote in message
...

Thanks Leon. I was thinking it was the stuff you can get at Lowe's, Home
Depot, Menards. But it's not is it? What is that fake wood stuff called?
Composite??

The fake woods are composites but typically called by their brand names.

"Tom Banes" wrote in message
...

Not
much gain there as it won't burn. Lots of pen blanks, or plane soles
for Ron Knight though.

Ok, Ipe will burn. I burn scraps in the fire place. It just tends to burn
when it is in a fire. Remove it from the fire and it often quits burning.

And that is probably Steve Knight. The mouth blocks on his older style
planes were made out of Ipe also.

My goof, I meant Steve. I have one of his high angle coffin smoothers.
Ipe sole and it is a dream machine.

Regards.


On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:11:52 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:
And that is probably Steve Knight. The mouth blocks on his older style
planes were made out of Ipe also.

Hunted that way while I was stationed at "Mother Rucker" in the 70's.
Dogs and shotguns. Ugh! Our "Crazy Carl" (SFC Samson Guidroy in fact)
was renowned for killing 2 foot pine saplings with a single shot 10
because he "heard a rustle". No one wanted to be within 200 meters of
him or that bloody gun. Mostly his blood from the recoil, but who
wants to ask where the stains come from? As an occifer, I got early
choice on plots, but always passed until he had selected. I ain't
stoopid, just illiterate.

Regards.



On 30 May 2006 06:20:16 -0700, "Jay Pique"
wrote:
Oh yeah, buckshot'll do the trick, no question. We used to hunt with
it in South Carolina, and dogs too. Nothing like standing in the
middle of a cutdown praying that deer don't jump between you and Crazy
Carl, who also liked to hunt with a 10-gauge.

JP