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Adding framing to frameless cabinets
I have been reading all about building face frame and frameless
cabinets and I like the face frame look - it really shows off a good wood. But I don't like the idea of the seam that is evident between each cabinet (where each face frame cabinet is butted up to the next cabinet - that is, the seam between the stiles on adjacent cabinets). So, I plan on doing this: 1. Build the cabinet carcasses as if they are frameless cabinets (no gaps between adjacent cabinet sides) 2. Install the cabinets and butt the sides of each cabinet to each other 3. Add the face framing at this point using biscuits or pocket screws to hold the face frame to the sides. 4. Set and install the doors/drawers hardware using typical face frame hardware The advantage of this approach is that the top and bottom rails can be continuous (no breaks) and there is no seam in the stiles that separate the cabinets. The disadvantage is that you cannot set your doors or drawers until the cabinets are installed into the kitchen. So a good percentage of the fabrication occurs in the kitchen (which isn't a problem for me - the homeowner) Has anyone else done it this way? Are there problems that I didn't consider? Thanks |
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How straight are the walls and how long is the longest run? If the
walls aren't straight (unless Tom Silva framed the walls with ripped microlam they aren't) the rails are going to have noticeable bows. You will also need to make sure the cabinets are plumb, level and aligned vertically. Standard cabinet installation allows for all of these imperfections. |
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How are you going to hang the doors ???
Flush mount or inset or are you trying to create a "faux inset" look by hanging the doors first and then wrapping the face frames around the doors ??? wrote: I have been reading all about building face frame and frameless cabinets and I like the face frame look - it really shows off a good wood. But I don't like the idea of the seam that is evident between each cabinet (where each face frame cabinet is butted up to the next cabinet - that is, the seam between the stiles on adjacent cabinets). |
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RayV wrote:
How straight are the walls and how long is the longest run? If the walls aren't straight (unless Tom Silva framed the walls with ripped microlam they aren't) the rails are going to have noticeable bows. You will also need to make sure the cabinets are plumb, level and aligned vertically. Standard cabinet installation allows for all of these imperfections. Standard cabinet installation uses shims, scribing and other methods to make sure that a block of cabinets is flush in both planes. Really no difference between the two methods, and there's no reason to have non-planar cabinet runs or bowed rails. R |
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For Pat Barber, I am going to hang the doors last and use door and
drawer hardware that attaches directly to the face frame. It mounts to the side of the face rame (sort of grabs it). Blum makes some good european style hinges that mount this way. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I have been reading all about building face frame and frameless cabinets and I like the face frame look - it really shows off a good wood. But I don't like the idea of the seam that is evident between each cabinet (where each face frame cabinet is butted up to the next cabinet - that is, the seam between the stiles on adjacent cabinets). So, I plan on doing this: 1. Build the cabinet carcasses as if they are frameless cabinets (no gaps between adjacent cabinet sides) How 'bout one big assembly? (If it's less than 8 feet) -Steve |
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The disadvantage is that you cannot set your doors or drawers until the cabinets are installed into the kitchen. This is not a disadvantage ... it is a "good thing", most of the time. So a good percentage of the fabrication occurs in the kitchen (which isn't a problem for me - the homeowner) This is also a "good thing" ... custom is as custom does. Has anyone else done it this way? Are there problems that I didn't consider? While I have done it both ways, I rarely have the option to take the time to do kitchens as you are anticipating, but it is precisely the way I prefer doing "built-ins", like book cases. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 12/13/05 |
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"Stephen M" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... I have been reading all about building face frame and frameless cabinets and I like the face frame look - it really shows off a good wood. But I don't like the idea of the seam that is evident between each cabinet (where each face frame cabinet is butted up to the next cabinet - that is, the seam between the stiles on adjacent cabinets). So, I plan on doing this: 1. Build the cabinet carcasses as if they are frameless cabinets (no gaps between adjacent cabinet sides) How 'bout one big assembly? (If it's less than 8 feet) Actually that is a best way and 8' is not a limit. I have an 11' cabinet in my kitchen that I built as 1 piece. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I have been reading all about building face frame and frameless cabinets and I like the face frame look - it really shows off a good wood. But I don't like the idea of the seam that is evident between each cabinet (where each face frame cabinet is butted up to the next cabinet - that is, the seam between the stiles on adjacent cabinets). So, I plan on doing this: 1. Build the cabinet carcasses as if they are frameless cabinets (no gaps between adjacent cabinet sides) 2. Install the cabinets and butt the sides of each cabinet to each other 3. Add the face framing at this point using biscuits or pocket screws to hold the face frame to the sides. 4. Set and install the doors/drawers hardware using typical face frame hardware The advantage of this approach is that the top and bottom rails can be continuous (no breaks) and there is no seam in the stiles that separate the cabinets. The disadvantage is that you cannot set your doors or drawers until the cabinets are installed into the kitchen. So a good percentage of the fabrication occurs in the kitchen (which isn't a problem for me - the homeowner) Has anyone else done it this way? Are there problems that I didn't consider? I have done it both ways in that I added the face frame after the entire 14' cabinet was assembled as one unit. I prefer separate cabinets for maneuverability and not having to add face frames after the circuses are installed. Done properly you should not see the seams where face frames attach to each other. |
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That should work ok then.... Inset doors are a major pain
in the arse and I just read an article in a FWW special on how to get around that. I have used those hinges before and they are just fine. wrote: For Pat Barber, I am going to hang the doors last and use door and drawer hardware that attaches directly to the face frame. It mounts to the side of the face rame (sort of grabs it). Blum makes some good european style hinges that mount this way. |
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Thanks to all that responded - I feel much better about going forward
as I described (PS For those that asked, the doors and drawer fronts are all going to be full overlay, so alignment is not that critical. |
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