What is happening at the PBS stations? Maybe they lost all their viewers
and decided they have to get back on track.

I turned on NYW and Norm did a whole show on router basics. Different
types, bit profiles, how to use them. Next week is going to be on the use
of a router table.

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling systems?
What if I have $750.000 and need guidance as to what hand carved marble
vanity and gilded faucets to buy? It looks like they may be trying to
educate the average homeowner and will leave us wealthy yuppies to fend for
ourselves to design a kitchen with ebony cabinets.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Think of it as the "wreck for the hoi polloi"(sp?). Every now and then
someone forgets to DAGS before asking whether they want a left tilt or
a right. Or, you've been watching too much TV? (insert
smiley-winking-face emoticon here) Tom

tom wrote:

Think of it as the "wreck for the hoi polloi"(sp?). Every now and then
someone forgets to DAGS before asking whether they want a left tilt or
a right. Or, you've been watching too much TV? (insert
smiley-winking-face emoticon here) Tom




At least you guys still have these shows. NYW is still nonexistent
around here and TOH can be caught on a fuzzy channel. If I'm lucky.
About all they show is Ask This Old House.

Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
tom wrote:

Think of it as the "wreck for the hoi polloi"(sp?). Every now and then
someone forgets to DAGS before asking whether they want a left tilt or
a right. Or, you've been watching too much TV? (insert
smiley-winking-face emoticon here) Tom




At least you guys still have these shows. NYW is still nonexistent
around here and TOH can be caught on a fuzzy channel. If I'm lucky.
About all they show is Ask This Old House.

I hate to say this, but in the Detroit area, I can watch the Detroit
PBS or the Flint PBS, and NYW is on different schedules, showing
different episodes the same week.

Answer: satellite.

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


At least you guys still have these shows. NYW is still nonexistent
around here and TOH can be caught on a fuzzy channel. If I'm lucky.
About all they show is Ask This Old House.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..
What is happening at the PBS stations? Maybe they lost all their viewers
and decided they have to get back on track.

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling systems?

Political correctness. Not to worry, though, they're still going to spend
200K even with donated materials so that a "middle-class" family can afford
their 250 grand house.

Wishing I were middle-class so I could afford a 250 K house....

On 2/12/2006 7:28 AM George mumbled something about the following:
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..
What is happening at the PBS stations? Maybe they lost all their viewers
and decided they have to get back on track.

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling systems?

Political correctness. Not to worry, though, they're still going to spend
200K even with donated materials so that a "middle-class" family can afford
their 250 grand house.

Wishing I were middle-class so I could afford a 250 K house....



I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house. Well, I can't afford
it and still be able to do all the OTHER things I like/want to do.
Everyone I know who has 250k house around here who is in my income
class, struggle to find the money to enjoy doing half the things I enjoy
doing. For me, 5 acres of land and a doublewide trailer, is perfectly
fine. I have a total of about $85,000 invested in the property, the
trailer, the shed/workshop, etc., refinanced a couple of months ago to
shorten my term and knock some points off, and to pay off a few other
bills, and now only have 10 years left to pay instead of 17 and pay
about the same per month as I did before.

Now, I do plan on building my retirement home in about 10 years (right
now thinking about a geodesic), but it's all going to be paid for cash.
I have no intentions of having anything but basic bills (elec, water,
cable, internet, etc) to pay when I retire in 15 years.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

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rot13 to reply

On Sun 12 Feb 2006 08:13:10a, Odinn wrote in
:

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house. Well, I can't afford
it and still be able to do all the OTHER things I like/want to do.
Everyone I know who has 250k house around here who is in my income
class, struggle to find the money to enjoy doing half the things I enjoy
doing.

Here in Madison WI, all we have to do is stay here a few more years, and
we'll have that 250k house. :-) Whether we like it or not.

What's frustrating me most about Norm these days is the move to expensive
machinery. For that shop clock, he says, "I'll just cut this cove on my
molder-shaping machine here" and just runs it through his molder. SWMBO and
I both bust out laughing. Sure! Just fire up the ol' shaper-molder and away
we go!

Then he says "If you don't have a molder of your very own, you can go to
your lumber yard and probably find something pretty darn close". No mention
of using the table saw to cut any molding.

Sigh. I really like his old stuff and I still get something out of his
current shows, but it ain't like it yoosta bee. Funny how often I say that
these days.

He's been around only since 88? I could have sworn it was longer than that.

"Dan" wrote in message
.. .

He's been around only since 88? I could have sworn it was longer than
that.

He was around on TOH long before 1988. Perhaps that is what you remember.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:01:20 GMT, Dan wrote:

On Sun 12 Feb 2006 08:13:10a, Odinn wrote in
:

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house. Well, I can't afford
it and still be able to do all the OTHER things I like/want to do.
Everyone I know who has 250k house around here who is in my income
class, struggle to find the money to enjoy doing half the things I enjoy
doing.

Here in Madison WI, all we have to do is stay here a few more years, and
we'll have that 250k house. :-) Whether we like it or not.

Same in Tucson. The tax assessor couldn't be happier.


What's frustrating me most about Norm these days is the move to expensive
machinery. For that shop clock, he says, "I'll just cut this cove on my
molder-shaping machine here" and just runs it through his molder. SWMBO and
I both bust out laughing. Sure! Just fire up the ol' shaper-molder and away
we go!

Sheese. I could probably afford some of the machinery... it's the
lumber I can't afford. "I'll just glue up these six 12" wide planks
of sixteen-quarter, quarter-sawn Brazilan mahogany to make our table
top."


Then he says "If you don't have a molder of your very own, you can go to
your lumber yard and probably find something pretty darn close". No mention
of using the table saw to cut any molding.

Yeah, I'll just run down to Home Depot and pick up some black walnut
moulding.


Sigh. I really like his old stuff and I still get something out of his
current shows, but it ain't like it yoosta bee. Funny how often I say that
these days.

Isn't it [g]

"Odinn" wrote in message

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house.

Sure you can. Buy a $60,000 house and wait 25 years. Worked for me.

On 2/12/2006 12:03 PM Edwin Pawlowski mumbled something about the following:
"Odinn" wrote in message

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house.

Sure you can. Buy a $60,000 house and wait 25 years. Worked for me.

Well, I can't afford to purchase a house that is already at 250k

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
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rot13 to reply

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0500, Odinn
wrote:

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house. Well, I can't afford
it and still be able to do all the OTHER things I like/want to do.
Everyone I know who has 250k house around here who is in my income
class, struggle to find the money to enjoy doing half the things I enjoy
doing. For me, 5 acres of land and a doublewide trailer, is perfectly
fine. I have a total of about $85,000 invested in the property, the
trailer, the shed/workshop, etc., refinanced a couple of months ago to
shorten my term and knock some points off, and to pay off a few other
bills, and now only have 10 years left to pay instead of 17 and pay
about the same per month as I did before.

Heck, around here you can't own a postage stamp-sized lot that costs
under $250k. Average-sized homes go for over $500k and in some local
areas, for over $750k.

When we bought our house, it was worth less than $250k. Now, our
neighbor, with a smaller house and less land, recently sold his for
close to a million.

On 2/13/2006 1:57 PM Brian Henderson mumbled something about the following:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0500, Odinn
wrote:

I'm middle-class, and I can't afford a 250k house. Well, I can't afford
it and still be able to do all the OTHER things I like/want to do.
Everyone I know who has 250k house around here who is in my income
class, struggle to find the money to enjoy doing half the things I enjoy
doing. For me, 5 acres of land and a doublewide trailer, is perfectly
fine. I have a total of about $85,000 invested in the property, the
trailer, the shed/workshop, etc., refinanced a couple of months ago to
shorten my term and knock some points off, and to pay off a few other
bills, and now only have 10 years left to pay instead of 17 and pay
about the same per month as I did before.

Heck, around here you can't own a postage stamp-sized lot that costs
under $250k. Average-sized homes go for over $500k and in some local
areas, for over $750k.

When we bought our house, it was worth less than $250k. Now, our
neighbor, with a smaller house and less land, recently sold his for
close to a million.

That's why I live 50 miles out from such an area. My house payments and
taxes are so much less, that the extra fuel I spend driving to work is
less than 1/10 the savings. By having a $100k mortgage (doublewide
trailer and 5 acres of land) instead of a $250k or better mortgage, I
can afford to own a fairly new pickemup, a new car, a new Harley. It
allows me to take off almost any weekend and go to a NASCAR race. It
allows me to luxury of spending 3 weeks riding the Harley all over the
country, putting 7500 miles on it in 24 days
(http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/Sturgis2005).

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

rot13 to reply

Odinn wrote:

That's why I live 50 miles out from such an area. My house payments and
taxes are so much less, that the extra fuel I spend driving to work is
less than 1/10 the savings. By having a $100k mortgage (doublewide
trailer and 5 acres of land) instead of a $250k or better mortgage, I
can afford to own a fairly new pickemup, a new car, a new Harley.

But you own a home that depreciates...

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling systems?
What if I have $750.000 and need guidance as to what hand carved marble
vanity and gilded faucets to buy? It looks like they may be trying to
educate the average homeowner and will leave us wealthy yuppies to fend
for ourselves to design a kitchen with ebony cabinets.

Good. I miss the old Bob Vila kind of TOH. Its more like these days that
TOH is being showered with rich people wanting cheapie construction work
while the common people who gladly participate are left out in the cold.
The last episode with the single guy spending obscene amounts of money and
only participating in color selection was boring.

"Leon" wrote in message
news

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling
systems? What if I have $750.000 and need guidance as to what hand carved
marble vanity and gilded faucets to buy? It looks like they may be
trying to educate the average homeowner and will leave us wealthy yuppies
to fend for ourselves to design a kitchen with ebony cabinets.

Good. I miss the old Bob Vila kind of TOH. Its more like these days that
TOH is being showered with rich people wanting cheapie construction work
while the common people who gladly participate are left out in the cold.
The last episode with the single guy spending obscene amounts of money and
only participating in color selection was boring.

I saw the last episode of that modern house they did. I think the money
spent on materials for that "remodel" would buy adequate housing for a dozen
families. They imported teak beams from asia. They had the cabinets built
in Italy. I guess that USA built cabinets were not good enough. The
imported rock from Bulgaria and paid a mason for weeks on end to place a
million little peices of stone on a couple of low walls in the front yard
and chimney.

I am surprised they did not have a toliet carved out of gemstone. What I
don't understand is the need to hook up everything in the house to a digital
controller of some kind. They had the capacity to electronically lower and
raise window shades from a wireless controller. What is the extra cost to
include NASA style controls into a house? And wouldn't this type of video
game fanaticism in household controls add greatly to the lard on the owners
butts?

I could go on and on. If I had some big bucks to spend on a house, I would
not be importing crap from around the world or installing a super compuer to
run things. It is a house, not a space ship!

I would spend the money on a good home gym, a wood shop, metal shop, a small
blacksmith facility, a quilt room for the missus, etc. Ya know, practical
things where real americans make things with their hands. Talk about an
anachronism.

Whaddaya expect from a curmudgeon?

grumble, grumble, bitch, bitch

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:32:41 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
news

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling
systems? What if I have $750.000 and need guidance as to what hand carved
marble vanity and gilded faucets to buy? It looks like they may be
trying to educate the average homeowner and will leave us wealthy yuppies
to fend for ourselves to design a kitchen with ebony cabinets.

Good. I miss the old Bob Vila kind of TOH. Its more like these days that
TOH is being showered with rich people wanting cheapie construction work
while the common people who gladly participate are left out in the cold.
The last episode with the single guy spending obscene amounts of money and
only participating in color selection was boring.

I saw the last episode of that modern house they did. I think the money
spent on materials for that "remodel" would buy adequate housing for a dozen
families. They imported teak beams from asia. They had the cabinets built
in Italy. I guess that USA built cabinets were not good enough. The
imported rock from Bulgaria and paid a mason for weeks on end to place a
million little peices of stone on a couple of low walls in the front yard
and chimney.

I am surprised they did not have a toliet carved out of gemstone. What I
don't understand is the need to hook up everything in the house to a digital
controller of some kind. They had the capacity to electronically lower and
raise window shades from a wireless controller. What is the extra cost to
include NASA style controls into a house? And wouldn't this type of video
game fanaticism in household controls add greatly to the lard on the owners
butts?

I could go on and on. If I had some big bucks to spend on a house, I would
not be importing crap from around the world or installing a super compuer to
run things. It is a house, not a space ship!

I would spend the money on a good home gym, a wood shop, metal shop, a small
blacksmith facility, a quilt room for the missus, etc. Ya know, practical
things where real americans make things with their hands. Talk about an
anachronism.

Whaddaya expect from a curmudgeon?

grumble, grumble, bitch, bitch

Far be it for me to defend a lot of this stuff but some observations:

A number of years ago I got to talk with Steve Thomas, then the host
of TOH. I asked him why they were now in the business of showcasing
all of the latest doo-dads and the high-end construction. He replied
that I should not forget that this is a television show and is meant
to be entertainment for the masses, not a blow-by-blow how-to-do-it
show for the DIY crowd.

Nevertheless, there are real people who live like that. I was looking
at the latest issue of "Tucson Lifestyle" at the dentist's office the
other day. They were featuring ten of the most expensive houses
(currently for sale) in the area. Number 1 was on the market for
$19.5 M and was something like 26,000 sq ft, seven baths and six
bedrooms, etc...

I have a friend who lives in a gated community in the nose bleed
section of the foothills overlooking Tucson, who reports that many of
the multi-million dollar homes in his neighborhood are empty most of
the year. The owners only use them a few weeks when the come out to
play golf in the winter.

BTW, our PBS station is still showing the "modern house" series. The
last episode was the one where Norm visited the cabinet shop, which
wasn't located in Italy but New England.

I'm not a professional cabinet maker but there are some in this forum
and I'll bet a lot of them would love to get (and maybe have)
commissions from some of these rich folks. At least some of the
wealth is getting spread around to some craftsmen. Can't be all bad.

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message

A number of years ago I got to talk with Steve Thomas, then the host
of TOH. I asked him why they were now in the business of showcasing
all of the latest doo-dads and the high-end construction. He replied
that I should not forget that this is a television show and is meant
to be entertainment for the masses, not a blow-by-blow how-to-do-it
show for the DIY crowd.

The original concept was more of a DIY than a showcase. As you point out,
people do live like that, but not the masses being entertained. My guess
also is that the typical PBS supporter and contributor has a higher income
level that Joe Sixpac and that is the part of the masses they want to court.


I'm not a professional cabinet maker but there are some in this forum
and I'll bet a lot of them would love to get (and maybe have)
commissions from some of these rich folks. At least some of the
wealth is getting spread around to some craftsmen. Can't be all bad.

The higher priced is usually the most profitable. If you have the talent,
that is where I'd want to make my living.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Edwin:

The original concept was more of a DIY than a showcase. As you point out,
people do live like that, but not the masses being entertained. My guess
also is that the typical PBS supporter and contributor has a higher income
level that Joe Sixpac and that is the part of the masses they want to court.

My sense, PBS, which I support by the way, has gotten away from more
"show me" programming to showcase events. Even the cooking shows are
better on Food Network then on PBS. I remember watching Julia cook up
a storm and she showed you step-by-step how to do make whatever. Not so
anymore. For the "show me" kind of shows, the cable channels
(DIY/HGTV/Food Network)
have filled that in.

I don't blame Morsh and company for TOH direction (don't forget they
are now
owned by Time/Warner) any more then I blame HGTV for showing a couple
building a house on a slope in Boulder and not taking care of the muddy
driveway.
It's TV, not a how-to show. I think it's enteraining to see all of the
various
gadgets, whatever available for homes. I mean, I built our house just 2
years
ago and had put in a whole house video/audio system. Wouldn't have even
thought about that until I saw the first one they did on TOH. Take
shows
like TOH with a grain of salt people. The TOH of years ago disappeared
12-15 years ago. I think the turning point was the Concord barn. That
was
the first time, my memory serves, that they rebuilt (in this case
actually
build) a whole house vs just updating the kitchen.

My wife and I watch TOH as always, but they have moved away from
everyday
affordable remodels to whole house rebuilds years ago. The topper for
me was
when they did that Shingle Style home in Manchester. Now that was a
major
rebuild that cost over $2m.

If you want more "hands on' things, Hometime is still there for the
DIY's
and of course, HGTV and DIY can fill in as well.

Oh, a million dollars in my neck of the woods for a home doesn't put
you in the "rich" category at all. Now $2m, does!

MJ

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:04:48 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

The original concept was more of a DIY than a showcase. As you point out,
people do live like that, but not the masses being entertained. My guess
also is that the typical PBS supporter and contributor has a higher income
level that Joe Sixpac and that is the part of the masses they want to court.

But you have to remember that most of the people who are donating to
PBS aren't the Joe Sixpac DIY crowd, it's the upper crust
more-money-than-God people who want all the latest overpriced gadgets.
They don't want to do it themselves, they want to pay someone else to
do it while they sit around and watch PBS.

"Wes Stewart" wrote

BTW, our PBS station is still showing the "modern house" series. The
last episode was the one where Norm visited the cabinet shop, which
wasn't located in Italy but New England.

Some furniture and glass fused tiles were made in New England. The kitchen
cabinets were made in New England.

The big, tall, dark cabinets and bookshelves were made in Italy.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:56:14 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


"Wes Stewart" wrote

BTW, our PBS station is still showing the "modern house" series. The
last episode was the one where Norm visited the cabinet shop, which
wasn't located in Italy but New England.

Some furniture and glass fused tiles were made in New England. The kitchen
cabinets were made in New England.

The big, tall, dark cabinets and bookshelves were made in Italy.

Okay. The last episode shown here was Program #2514.

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tvpr...062246,00.html

The Rhode Island shop was doing stair treads, a bathroom vanity and
the cabinets for the library.

So we are kinda behind out here in the AZ desert where we don't need
radiant heat under the driveway. (I'm in Tucson but watch it on the
Phoenix PBS station)

The thing that got to me the most was the garage...those plastic slats
are ok I guess, but that one wall of cabinets...$15K!! And the host
says something like "gee, now no one has an excuse for a dirty garage".

On 12 Feb 2006 08:12:27 -0800, wrote:

The thing that got to me the most was the garage...those plastic slats
are ok I guess, but that one wall of cabinets...$15K!! And the host
says something like "gee, now no one has an excuse for a dirty garage".

Because he'll pay to have the dust cleaned off it once in a while.

I particularly liked the steel reinforced half wall behind the vanity
so that it could cantilever off the wall with nothing under it for no
reason.


-Leuf

Here in the DC area 250000 for a house is cheap! even 1 bedroom condo in the
area sell for more than 300000.!!!

And here in the SF Bay Area, my 1750sf semi-fixer-up'r cost $333k in 1997,
and is up 800K now. 3 bd house across the street sold for 1.15M last year!
A 1200sf dump down the street sold for $458K 2 years ago. But it's okay
because we were the first place to have gas hit $3/gal last year, so it all
works out!!!

Mike
Alameda, CA

"leonard" wrote in message
...
Here in the DC area 250000 for a house is cheap! even 1 bedroom condo in
the area sell for more than 300000.!!!

Given the obscene sizes of some of the later TOH houses, I've found it
amusing how much space they fill with areas "where you can sit down and
read a book". They always say that. It's all they can do with that 200
sq. foot alcove in the hallway between the den and the entertainment
room, or between the master bath shower's foyer and the antedressingroom.

LOL...hard to count how many times we've heard that phrase (great place
to read a book) on TOH. Funny thing, with this last "modern" house, the
guy had a combined dining room / library...had some real nice, HUGE
bookshelves...filled with pottery of course, no books. Those were some
cool chairs in there though, but I'm not sure how comfy they would be
for a period of extended reading...I need to have arms on my "reading"
chairs. Those things must've have cost a fortune though...they visited
the place that makes them a while back...lot of labor in those.

Those were some
cool chairs in there though, but I'm not sure how comfy they would be
for a period of extended reading...I need to have arms on my "reading"
chairs. Those things must've have cost a fortune though...they visited
the place that makes them a while back...lot of labor in those.

Keep in mind that any time they visit the place where something was
manufactured, there's almost no chance they are paying for whatever ends up
in the house.

Lee


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_________________________________
Lee Gordon
http://www.leegordonproductions.com

Lee Gordon wrote:

Keep in mind that any time they visit the place where something was
manufactured, there's almost no chance they are paying for whatever ends up
in the house.

A few years back, a company installed a hot tub in one of the projects.
Rumor has it, not only did TOH not pay for the installation, the spa
company paid TOH to do the job. The "selection" of the particular spa
had little to do with quality, as the spa company would like you to
believe in their ad copy.

Most of those shows are just a grout line from an infomercial.

Remember, television is a business, even PBS... NOTHING gets mentioned
by name unless it's been paid for. The most obvious examples are often
seen in racing, where different broadcasters have been known to refer to
the same event by different names, depending on how the naming rights
were sold.

Remember, television is a business, even PBS... NOTHING gets mentioned
by name unless it's been paid for. The most obvious examples are often
seen in racing, where different broadcasters have been known to refer to
the same event by different names, depending on how the naming rights
were sold.

PBS used to be scrupulous about avoiding brand names. I remember watching
an early Julia Child cooking show in which they placed masking tape over the
word "Pyrex" on her measuing cup. I don't think it was because they hadn't
received a promotional fee from Corning; it was because they were living up
to (and perhaps overdoing) their designation of "non-commercial."
Somewhere along the way, that went out the window ... the Marvin window
whose product is never mentioned by name but which has a huge Marvin label
on every pane. I understand that in addition to donating the goods, the
manufacturers must pay a fee of upwards of $20,000 to have their products
featured on the program.
Last year I did a promotional/instructional video for a company called
Infiltrator Systems which makes components for septic systems. I later saw
the same system being installed on at a project house on Bob Vila's Home
Again. Being an overtly commercial enterprise, Vila's current show does not
have the same reluctance to mention brand names that his old show (TOH)
does. When I inquired about the appearance I found that Infiltrator not
only supplied the material, they also paid a fee to be allowed to make
reference to its use on Vila's show in their promotional materials. Not
only that, but the fee bought them the rights to mention Vila for only one
year. If they wanted to keep touting "As seen on Bob Vila's Home Again" in
newspaper or magazine ads or trade show displays, they had to re-up and pay
an additional fee.
Your example of broadcasters using different names to refer to racing events
reminds me of something annoying the the Hartford Courant used to do. When
I worked for what was then Radio 104, we used to put on an annual concert
called, naturally enough, "Radio 104 Fest." If they mentioned it at all,
the Courant would always call it the "104 Fest." For some reason they
couldn't bring themselves to call it by it's actual name.

Lee

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On 12 Feb 2006 15:02:10 -0800, wrote:

...Those were some cool chairs in there though, but I'm not sure how
comfy they would be for a period of extended reading...I need to have
arms on my "reading" chairs. Those things must've have cost a fortune
though...they visited the place that makes them a while back...lot of
labor in those.

Thomas Moser, as I recall. They certainly were well built, but I had
the same impression both about labor costs and comfort. I didn't think
about the arms, but I have to throw in with you on that, too.


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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
What is happening at the PBS stations? Maybe they lost all their viewers
and decided they have to get back on track.

I turned on NYW and Norm did a whole show on router basics. Different
types, bit profiles, how to use them. Next week is going to be on the use
of a router table.

When TOH came on, I was stunned that they are actually going to work on a
rehab of - - - - - - - an old house! How will we keep up with the latest
fully automated appliances and personal zoned heating and cooling systems?
What if I have $750.000 and need guidance as to what hand carved marble
vanity and gilded faucets to buy? It looks like they may be trying to
educate the average homeowner and will leave us wealthy yuppies to fend for
ourselves to design a kitchen with ebony cabinets.


Well for me I was excited when I saw that NYW is going to do router
table. I need to get my VCR or TIVO or something because I am going to
buy a router soon and I will enjoy this a lot.

I saw my first show that I actually planned to watch last weekend. Was
disappointed its only 1/2 hour. Im in detroit area but i guess its 1/2
hour everywhere.

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"dnoyeB" wrote in message
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Well for me I was excited when I saw that NYW is going to do router table.
I need to get my VCR or TIVO or something because I am going to buy a
router soon and I will enjoy this a lot.


Look at the listings for The Router Workshop and you'll _really_ be amazed.