Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel

Because you want to sounds like reason enough to me as long as you have the
time and can afford it. Don't have any idea what your hobbies are but you
can spend a lot of money playing golf, bowling or stopping at the local bar
on your way home from work. If you look at it as a form of relaxation or
enjoyment you can not put a monetary value on it. Life is for enjoyment, so
if you think you would like to do it then do it. All is not lost if you find
you no longer want to mill your own lumber as tools have resale value.
Remember you need to have a place to store this milled lumber for a lengthy
time to air dry it.
"MelH" wrote in message
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Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel

Not only can it be cost effective but according to one fellow I met it can actually make you money. The thing to remember is drying time. You have at least 1 year after the first cut you make until you have dried lumber.
Puff

"MelH" wrote in message oups.com...
Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel

MelH wrote:

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?

Mel,

"Because you want to" is the best reason I can think of.

I grew up on a farm. My dad and I cut several truck loads of logs,
hauled them to a local mill then helped the old codger who owned the
mill saw them into lumber. I was a gangly young farm lad at the time,
able to haul hay all day at 100 degrees, but still it was HARD WORK. I
enjoyed it tremendously at the time, but 30 years later, I'd have to
get in much better shape to attempt it. You may save money on lumber.
You may make money milling for others. Either way, I guarantee you'll
EARN it.

You don't say where you are, or what you plan to do with the lumber,
but here's what happened to me. We're in Mississippi, OK? Relative
humidity outdoors seldom drops below 50% for very long. We stacked the
lumber outside for two years, then moved it into an open barn for
another year or so. Then I made a few small furniture pieces from it.
The first winter indoors, the boards shrunk and cracked and did all
manner of unpleasant things. I swore off air-dried wood for anything
but rough carpentry. If you live in a dryer region, you may have a
much better experience.

I love my toys as much as the next guy, even the ones that require
sweat and muscle. Just know what you're gettin' into.

"DonkeyHody"
"Every man is my superior in that I can learn from him." - Thomas
Carlyle

Get a little portable set up you can move around or set up a small mill
and do custom cutting. There are several companies that sell the
machines and can help you get started.

Add to the fun and go look for second hand equipment as well as
visiting portable mills.

"MelH" wrote in message
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Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.
snip
"Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel

Veeeery cool, Mel!! Chek into the forums at www.Woodweb.com for more info
on home drying pre-treatment and kiln building, sawyering, etc.

MelH wrote:


90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

[snip]
Mel

There ya go! Make that 100% and any payback is gravy.
mahalo,
jo4hn

On 13 Dec 2005 05:56:19 -0800, "MelH" wrote:

Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel


It can be extremely cost effective and you can make decent cash
afterwards.

You can build your house frame from green lumber as long as you don't
try to cover it for a year. The lumber will shrink and tighten up. The
next season you can roof it cover your walls etc.

Hello Mel,
A few years ago I considered the same Idea. What I found out was that I
would have been spending more time processing lumber than actually
building things. Processing lumber is a job in itself. I finally
decided that I enjoyed building projects more than processing lumber.

Call any of the companies that sells portable mills and give them your
zip code. They can tell you all of the portable mills that are in your
area. I have 5 within 30 minutes of where I live.. I network with these
guys and get all the lumber I need. They always seem to have more wood
than a market to sell it to so the price is always flexable.

Instead of spending the money on a mill I bought tools for my shop.
Besides building projects I do some millwork - planing, cutting and
wide belt sanding for others. My tools have all paid for themselves.
You can do both but you will spend half the time processing lumber when
you could have been building something . Your choice. You can see a
sample of the work my wife and I do at: www.distinctive-woodcraft.com
Richard

You'll be needing a moisture meter too. This one's from Harbor Freight -
there are certainly better ones available!
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=2757

"DonkeyHody" wrote in message
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MelH wrote:

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?

Mel,

"Because you want to" is the best reason I can think of.

I grew up on a farm. My dad and I cut several truck loads of logs,
hauled them to a local mill then helped the old codger who owned the
mill saw them into lumber. I was a gangly young farm lad at the time,
able to haul hay all day at 100 degrees, but still it was HARD WORK. I
enjoyed it tremendously at the time, but 30 years later, I'd have to
get in much better shape to attempt it. You may save money on lumber.
You may make money milling for others. Either way, I guarantee you'll
EARN it.

You don't say where you are, or what you plan to do with the lumber,
but here's what happened to me. We're in Mississippi, OK? Relative
humidity outdoors seldom drops below 50% for very long. We stacked the
lumber outside for two years, then moved it into an open barn for
another year or so. Then I made a few small furniture pieces from it.
The first winter indoors, the boards shrunk and cracked and did all
manner of unpleasant things. I swore off air-dried wood for anything
but rough carpentry. If you live in a dryer region, you may have a
much better experience.

I love my toys as much as the next guy, even the ones that require
sweat and muscle. Just know what you're gettin' into.


Can you stack some of the wood in your attic, or basement, as an experiment.
Give it 10 months outside, 3-4 in the basement (what passes for winter in
your area), and check the moisture content. You might be surprised.

I bought a used woodmizer this past spring. I cut and sawed enough timber
off my own land to build a 20'x40' building to house the saw and store wood
for drying and a 24'x30' extension on another existing building. I am
mainly using poplar for framing and siding.
Not only is it substantially cheaper but I am able to cut exactly what I
want to use. We are going to build a timber frame (not log cabin) cabin
next summer if I can get enough good weather to saw the rest of the lumber..
BTW, I've found that different types of timber have very different drying
times. The poplar that I sawed in July was very dry by the time I used it
for building in late Sept. while the oak was not dry at all. Go for it.
It's fun!
"MelH" wrote in message
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Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel

MelH wrote:
Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?


Mel


I wanted a place to park my boat

http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/Sailboat3.jpg

So I built this.

http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/Cabinfront6.jpg

Then I wanted to get a jointer and a planer.

Had to finish the inside of the place, so I went out
and bought about 5000 ft of sawmill lumber.

What else could I do but go out and buy the tools,
and wouldn't you know it, I had to get a new router
and table as well (darn).

I could have come up with a financially sound reason
to get what I wanted, but I didn't want to.

Never was much good at counting beans anyway.

Mel the sawyer, the boat builder, the furniture guy.

Sounds OK to me.

Charles Self wrote:

Can you stack some of the wood in your attic, or basement, as an experiment.
Give it 10 months outside, 3-4 in the basement (what passes for winter in
your area), and check the moisture content. You might be surprised.

That was 20 years ago. I'd probably give it a shot if I stumbled on a
real good deal on some green lumber. But I'm not on the farm anymore,
I've moved to town; and don't have much storage space or access to
green lumber. I usually buy just a little extra wood for each project
- and it's already taking over my shop.

I'm sure the drying potential in my attic would be very good since it
gets so hot up there in the summer. Basements are almost unheard-of
here.

It's a good suggestion though. I guess I've been sort of like that cat
on the stove lid.

DonkeyHody
"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom
that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down
on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid
again---and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold
one anymore." - Mark Twain

On 12/13/2005 8:56 AM MelH mumbled something about the following:
Hello All!

I've got an acre of land with a small amount of timber where I plan on
doing much construction/woodworking (Log House, shop, wooden boat,
various big heavy furniture projects, etc.) over the next 10-15 years.

I want to purchase a small lumber mill and have a couple of loads of
logs delivered and craft my own dimensional lumber - I want to start
from the bottom!

90% of the reasoning is - Cause I want to!

I'm trying to convince myself (with the remaining 10%) that in the long
run, it will be cheaper than purchasing all the dimensional lumber that
I'll go through in the next 10-15 years.

In the long run, would a guy come out ahead dollar wise by purchasing a
small mill, planer, and a couple loads of logs up front? Or should I
toss the financial reasoning and just go with the "Because I want to!"
reasoning?

The latter. You won't come out ahead unless you mill a LOT of lumber.

--
Odinn
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rot13 to reply

If you buy a couple loads of logs, your gonna have a helluva time gettin
them sawed up b4 they start to dry out or rot. Thats a big bite all at
one time. Start out with 10 or 15 good sized logs and you will see how
big a mistake 2 truck loads would be. It ain't nearly over when the
cuttin is done. You still got to sticker stack and if you are in the
south, you probably need to spray your lumber (spechially fresh pine)
with a sap stain controll product. Keeps that nasty looking mold off it
till it drys. Then theres all them dull blades to resharpen.

Not tryin to scare you off. but it's more work than most folks think.

jack
Jack's Sawmill Service

Thanks for all the great responses! I really appreciate it...

I think I'll look for a used machine - accept the fact that I will
never recoup the cost...

....and make big-ass beams and rough-cut 2x6's so I can make the
grandkids one hell of a huge, monster fort! (OK - I'll use some for
other things too...)

....and if I get any lumber that I can use for myself - sweet!


thanks again everyone.

btw - I'm in Montana.



Mel