IDoes anyone know how this model stacks up against the G0500? I saw
some debate here a while back - some folks saying that it can't be as
good since it was priced so much less. This does appear to be the
replacement for the highly touted G0500, however, so I was wondering
if anyone here had any thoughts.

JP
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Grizzled.

What I have read and this was per Grizzly's article is that They are
almost identical except for the elevated controls and it's mfg in China.
But to me when they say China that leaves alot to be desired. The main
concern I have is the fact that there is no mention of the cast iron bed
being stress relieved before final flattening. I think the G0500 will be
missed.

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...
IDoes anyone know how this model stacks up against the G0500? I saw
some debate here a while back - some folks saying that it can't be as
good since it was priced so much less. This does appear to be the
replacement for the highly touted G0500, however, so I was wondering
if anyone here had any thoughts.

JP
***************
Grizzled.


I called Grizzly and asked the same question. Evidently, the G0500 is
being discontinued and replaced with the G0586.
I don't have the spec sheets in front of me but the tech that I spoke with
said the G0586 had some sort of a handwheel function on the fence
that made it much easier to move and set square. Otherwise it's basically
the same though. When asked which one he would buy
he said the G0586. He also said the price on it would be going up in the
new year so order before Jan 1 to get the lower pricing.
I'm trying to find the $$ for it now!
Cheers,
cc

When I spoke to Grizzly about choosing which one I got the same answer as
Seeker in his post. The tech told me the 0500 was made in Taiwan and the
0586 was made in China. The 0500 was stress relieved and the 0586 was not.
Jay, you must have spoken with a different rep than I did because I got the
opposite answer as you. My rep told me the 0500 was a higher quality
standard, it is better, but the 0586 is lower cost.

I guess what you hear depends upon who you speak to and when.
Rich
PS I went with what I knew, the 0500 and I have no complaints at all.


"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...
IDoes anyone know how this model stacks up against the G0500? I saw
some debate here a while back - some folks saying that it can't be as
good since it was priced so much less. This does appear to be the
replacement for the highly touted G0500, however, so I was wondering
if anyone here had any thoughts.

JP
***************
Grizzled.


I called Grizzly and asked the same question. Evidently, the G0500 is
being discontinued and replaced with the G0586.
I don't have the spec sheets in front of me but the tech that I spoke with
said the G0586 had some sort of a handwheel function on the fence
that made it much easier to move and set square. Otherwise it's
basically the same though. When asked which one he would buy
he said the G0586. He also said the price on it would be going up in the
new year so order before Jan 1 to get the lower pricing.
I'm trying to find the $$ for it now!
Cheers,
cc

Thanks for the info guys. I'm going to call Grizzly myself and see
what story they give me.

Question - if the 0586 isn't stress relieved prior to grinding, but
arrives at my door within spec for flatness, is it likely to move over
time? Is there a period of time beyond which it's unlikely to move? I
guess I don't understand the physics (or the psychology sometimes!) of
stress relief.

JP
************************************************** *******************
I find stress is relieved during the grinding process itself.

If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.

True. How long it will continue to move depends on environmental factors as
well as the quality of the cast iron. It can move for years.

"Seeker" wrote in message
...
If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.

The G500 was reviewed in Fine Woodworking about two issues ago, the 586 was
not available yet. Well, it came in and got a write up in the latest FWW.

My question, a week ago, would have been - given the fairly good review of
the 586 how does it compare to the YC08J form Yorkcraft? Its all academic
though. I picked up my YC8J last Saturday!


"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...
IDoes anyone know how this model stacks up against the G0500? I saw
some debate here a while back - some folks saying that it can't be as
good since it was priced so much less. This does appear to be the
replacement for the highly touted G0500, however, so I was wondering
if anyone here had any thoughts.

JP
***************
Grizzled.

CW wrote:
True. How long it will continue to move depends on environmental factors as
well as the quality of the cast iron. It can move for years.

"Seeker" wrote in message
...
If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.

Here's what Grizzly had to say when I emailed them....

Thank you for your email dated November 20, 2005.

We appreciate your interest in our products. The G0500 and G0586 are
very similar machines. The only differences are the placement of the
switch on the machines and the country of origin. The G0586 has a
pedestal-mounted switch, and the G0500 has the switch mounted to the
stand; the G0500 is manufactured in Taiwan, while the G0586 is
manufactured in China. Both machines draw the same amperage of either
12 at 110-volts or 24 at 220-volts. I have attached a PDF of the
specification sheet for the G0586 for your reference.

The G0586 is less expensive at this time, as it is being offered at a
special introductory price. If you wish to order this item, you may
either call our Order Desk at 1-800-523-4777, or you may order online
at www.grizzly.com.

If we may be of any further assistance, you may contact us by email at
or you may call our Order Desk at 1-800-523-4777. You
are a valued customer and we look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely,

Tara
Customer Service
Grizzly Industrial, Inc.
EN# 756

Jay Pique wrote:
CW wrote:

True. How long it will continue to move depends on environmental factors as
well as the quality of the cast iron. It can move for years.

"Seeker" wrote in message
...

If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.


Here's what Grizzly had to say when I emailed them....

Thank you for your email dated November 20, 2005.

We appreciate your interest in our products. The G0500 and G0586 are
very similar machines. The only differences are the placement of the
switch on the machines and the country of origin. The G0586 has a
pedestal-mounted switch, and the G0500 has the switch mounted to the
stand; the G0500 is manufactured in Taiwan, while the G0586 is
manufactured in China. Both machines draw the same amperage of either
12 at 110-volts or 24 at 220-volts. I have attached a PDF of the
specification sheet for the G0586 for your reference.

The G0586 is less expensive at this time, as it is being offered at a
special introductory price. If you wish to order this item, you may
either call our Order Desk at 1-800-523-4777, or you may order online
at www.grizzly.com.

If we may be of any further assistance, you may contact us by email at
or you may call our Order Desk at 1-800-523-4777. You
are a valued customer and we look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely,

Tara
Customer Service
Grizzly Industrial, Inc.
EN# 756


"12 at 110-volts or 24 at 220-volts."

Seems to me they got the amps mixed up there.

-John in NH

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...

CW wrote:
True. How long it will continue to move depends on environmental factors
as
well as the quality of the cast iron. It can move for years.

"Seeker" wrote in message
...
If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron
will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.

Well we'll see what they tell me as I emailed them yesterday after I read
here that the tables were not stress relieved. I find it hard
to believe in this day in age of large ovens etc... that they wouldn't
stress relieve them. Seems like they'd just be asking for trouble
if they didn't. Anyway, we'll see what they say when I get their email!
Cheers,
cc

Hello:

I just got off the phone with Grizzly tech support and asked them if the
jointer was stress-relieved. He told me it was electronicaly
stress-relieved. He said the word got out on some woodworking forums
that it was not.
I just ordered a G0586. Since I live in California and the Washington
warehouse is out of stock, I will see the jointer in mid December.
Apparently they are moving some inventory from the east coast warehouses
to Washington, so you east coasters should have it in stock.


James "Cubby" Culbertson wrote:
"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...

CW wrote:

True. How long it will continue to move depends on environmental factors
as
well as the quality of the cast iron. It can move for years.

"Seeker" wrote in message
...

If not properly cured/ or stress relieved before grinding cast iron
will
continue to cure for quite awhile hense it will warp.

Well we'll see what they tell me as I emailed them yesterday after I read
here that the tables were not stress relieved. I find it hard
to believe in this day in age of large ovens etc... that they wouldn't
stress relieve them. Seems like they'd just be asking for trouble
if they didn't. Anyway, we'll see what they say when I get their email!
Cheers,
cc



--
Joseph Connors
The New Golden Rule:
Those with the gold, make the rules!

On Mon 21 Nov 2005 12:18:20p, Joseph Connors
wrote in :

I just got off the phone with Grizzly tech support and asked them if
the jointer was stress-relieved. He told me it was electronicaly
stress-relieved. He said the word got out on some woodworking forums
that it was not.

Possibly because the phrase "electronically stress relieved" appears in
several Grizzly jointer descriptions but not in the G0586 description
nor the spec sheet.

From what little research I've been able to do, electronic stress relief
is the use of harmonics or "sub-harmonics" to the same thing a stress
relief annealing oven does, except without an oven and in less time.

I'm guessing some writer didn't think it was necessary to say
"electronically stress relieved" in EVERY jointer description, and now
Grizzly is finding out that maybe it is.

I've got the G0586, and I'm fervently hoping that's the case. I sent an
email to Grizz and they responded saying they hadn't heard anything
about that bed NOT being stress relieved, but they'd forwarded the
message on to another department and they'd be getting back to me.

Probably shoulda called 'em. :-)

In any event, except for this little question of the stress relief, I am
extremely happy with this jointer. It went together easy and it's
already flattened 7 six-foot boards between 5 and 7.5 inches wide. It
was pretty easy, too. I thought there'd be more of a trick to it. David
Marks can keep his 16-incher. I was showing it off to SWMBO and a friend
last weekend, and they both want to repaint it as an aircraft carrier.

Dan

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...
IDoes anyone know how this model stacks up against the G0500? I saw
some debate here a while back - some folks saying that it can't be as
good since it was priced so much less. This does appear to be the
replacement for the highly touted G0500, however, so I was wondering
if anyone here had any thoughts.

JP
***************
Grizzled.


Interestingly, the G0500 no longer appears on their website. Appears maybe
they did sell out of them (they were discontinuing them). I hope that 0586
is stress relieved!
Cheers,
cc

I bought the G0500 about 2 years ago.. It was one of those things you
think to yourself ..."Man thats alot of machine for such a little
scratch..
probably a piece of c*&^ " but I have nothing bad to say about it so
far
I'm making a maple table now. I'm turning legs and have learned some

about designing too much to copy LOL No templates just out of me own
head
.... the first one was easy.... it's these last three.....


health n laughter

"Papa Grizzly" replied to this same question, (by me) on
the Woodnet forum and said that all of their jointer tables
are electronically stress relieved. He's the owner of the
company so I would think he knows. I was curious about
the omission on their website too but it was probably
just an oversight. The guy refinancing my house just told
me the rates droped and I'm getting a lot more money than
I originally thought. This is still the jointer I'm buying but
now I might look into the carbide insert cutterhead. Maybe...

Bruce

wrote:
"Papa Grizzly" replied to this same question, (by me) on
the Woodnet forum and said that all of their jointer tables
are electronically stress relieved. He's the owner of the
company so I would think he knows. I was curious about
the omission on their website too but it was probably
just an oversight. The guy refinancing my house just told
me the rates droped and I'm getting a lot more money than
I originally thought. This is still the jointer I'm buying but
now I might look into the carbide insert cutterhead. Maybe...

I think I read in FWW recently that they were relatively unimpressed
with the quality of cut from the carbide insers. I'd be interested to
see a side by side comparison. I'd also be interested to see how they
stack up WRT tear-out on cherry or highly figured woods. Given that
some sanding would be done any exposed surface, I think a *slightly*
inferior cut would be more than offset by the other advantages of the
insert.

JP
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Wet feet.