Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda

Wanda Pangborn (in
ws.net) said:

| Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned
| earlier. Why don't you guys moderate your group?
|
| I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
| godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was
| attempted. You just need a really fair and dedicated moderator,
| which I know is easier said than done. Moderators have to be level
| headed and leave their egos at the door.
|
| Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda...

Moderating the wreck would be a full-time job because of the number of
posts and would lengthen response times for legitimate questions.

The trade-off, as you noted, is the number of off-topic, troll, and
occasional venemous posts. Moderating the wreck as been considered a
number of times; and each time the issue arose, most of the
subscribers elected to keep the newsgroup as is, warts and all.

I'm glad you got the helpful information.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:54:37 -0000, Paul H wrote:
Wanda Pangborn wrote in rec.woodworking:

Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned
earlier. Why don't you guys moderate your group?

**** off. We don't need no stinkin' moderator.

True, we don't, but no reason to be rude to the lady. It's not like
she's in cahoots with Vito and wazzername, far as we know. No reason to
assume the worst, she had an honest question and asked it.

Moderating the wreck would be a full-time job because of the number of
posts and would lengthen response times for legitimate questions.

The trade-off, as you noted, is the number of off-topic, troll, and
occasional venemous posts. Moderating the wreck as been considered a
number of times; and each time the issue arose, most of the
subscribers elected to keep the newsgroup as is, warts and all.

What I do wish is that rec.woodworking was split thus:

rec.woodworking.powertoolchat
rec.woodworking.everythingelse

With no crossposting allowed.

But asking for that is like asking for 100 bd ft of free bubinga with
any purchase at every woodworker's supply store.

-jav

"Wanda Pangborn" wrote in message
reenews.net...
Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned
earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier
said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda

Please do not take this the wrong way Wanda but why don't you actively
participate for about 6+ years in this group and see if you still think that
the group needs to be moderated. No need in fixing something that is not
broke.

Wanda Pangborn said:

Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

The 'persons' you mention are Trolls, and not really participating
members of the group. They wander in, throw out a few jabs, and
eventually disappear if no one feeds them.

Don't pay'em no mind.

Most wreck denizens are happy to provide a helpful response to a
sincere question.

Hope your quest goes well for hubby. ;-)


Greg G.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:09:23 -0500, Javier Henderson wrote:
What I do wish is that rec.woodworking was split thus:

rec.woodworking.powertoolchat
rec.woodworking.everythingelse
With no crossposting allowed.

How do you propose to enforce "no crossposting allowed"? Why not just
filter client-side?

But asking for that is like asking for 100 bd ft of free bubinga with
any purchase at every woodworker's supply store.

Well, anyone can follow the process to create groups. But what problem
would you actually be solving?

Dave Hinz wrote in rec.woodworking:

True, we don't, but no reason to be rude to the lady. It's not like
she's in cahoots with Vito and wazzername, far as we know. No reason
to assume the worst, she had an honest question and asked it.

The least she could have done would have been to begin the subject line
with "OT".

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:09:23 -0500, Javier Henderson wrote:
What I do wish is that rec.woodworking was split thus:

rec.woodworking.powertoolchat
rec.woodworking.everythingelse
With no crossposting allowed.

How do you propose to enforce "no crossposting allowed"? Why not just
filter client-side?

It's impossible, thus my comment about getting this to work would be
harder than getting free wood.

-jav

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:54:29 -0000, Paul H wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote in rec.woodworking:

True, we don't, but no reason to be rude to the lady. It's not like
she's in cahoots with Vito and wazzername, far as we know. No reason
to assume the worst, she had an honest question and asked it.

The least she could have done would have been to begin the subject line
with "OT".

Funny, seems like she's new here, and probably doesn't know about the
convention. Why the attitude, Paul?

Greg G. said:


Most wreck denizens are happy to provide a helpful response to a
sincere question.

But do take note that I said 'most'. g


Greg G.

In article ews.net,
"Wanda Pangborn" wrote:

Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda

With all due respect, I think that moderating this NG would take away what has
given it its character.

Somebody's view on peanut butter, (smooth or crunchy?) somehow fleshes out the
individuals that participate. You learn, over time, who's being
tongue-in-cheek, who's lofty and poetic, who's a rambling dork. IOW.. answers to
questions have personality.
In my mind, the many participants all speak with THEIR voices, voices THEY have
built-up over time....and not the voice of a single moderator.

Besides, we need more freedom of speech... not less.

Learn how to use the filters, because I'm telling you that crunchy is way better
than that slimy smooth peanut butter.

I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

On 15 Nov 2005 10:54:18 -0800, tom wrote:
I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

Oh, yeah, absolutely. No point in eating peanut butter if it's not
crunchy.

"Paul H" wrote in message
...
Dave Hinz wrote in rec.woodworking:

True, we don't, but no reason to be rude to the lady. It's not like
she's in cahoots with Vito and wazzername, far as we know. No reason
to assume the worst, she had an honest question and asked it.

The least she could have done would have been to begin the subject line
with "OT".

LOL, yea, pretty hard to discern the topic from the subject line.

On 15 Nov 2005 19:06:51 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On 15 Nov 2005 10:54:18 -0800, tom wrote:
I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

Oh, yeah, absolutely. No point in eating peanut butter if it's not
crunchy.
If'n I wanted peanuts I'da bought peanuts. If'n I want peanut butter
I buy peanut butter - Creamy PB rules!!!!!

Skippy ;-)

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:01:59 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On 15 Nov 2005 19:06:51 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On 15 Nov 2005 10:54:18 -0800, tom wrote:
I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

Oh, yeah, absolutely. No point in eating peanut butter if it's not
crunchy.
If'n I wanted peanuts I'da bought peanuts. If'n I want peanut butter
I buy peanut butter - Creamy PB rules!!!!!

Skippy ;-)


man, I was with you right up to the skippy part.

skippy isn't peanut butter. it's peanut flavored corn syrup.

yeccch.

"tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

Nothing to debate. Crunchy it is.

In article ews.net,
Wanda Pangborn wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

It is not possible to change the moderation status of a news group in
the "Big 8", which rec.woodworking is part of.

djb

--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green

You want a moderated group? Start a Yahoo group.

Unmoderated crunchy for me. Archived, too. Tom

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:11:03 -0500, "Wanda Pangborn"
wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Who would want to moderate it?
It would have to be someone who cares about the wreck which would make
him/her a woodworker who would rather make sawdust than get in the
middle of some of the stuff that passes through here.
IMHO one sure way to run off a contributing member of the wreck would
be to make him/her the moderator.

I vote no. ;-)


Mike O.

Wanda Pangborn wrote:

Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda


The Wreck is what it is precisely because it ISN'T moderated. Who needs
a net cop authoritarian, control freak, messing with our Wreck?

There is no such thing as a "fair and dedicated moderator". I've seen
my fair share of their imperious actions on both Compuserve and web forums.

Dave

Wanda,

This group does nothing in moderation.

Steve

"Wanda Pangborn" wrote in message
reenews.net...
Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned
earlier.
Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier
said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Anyway, just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.

Wanda

In article ,
"Steve Peterson" wrote:

This group does nothing in moderation.

Especially when one of them 'double-dyed dip**** on their good days'-
kinda guys comes and bothers us.

In article 59,
William D wrote:

But* Russ Allbery recently announced his intention to resign from
Big 8 administration by next October. He will be replaced by a new
committee of ordinary Usenet posters.

Nobody knows what will replace the nan mods.

The scene in news.groups is a mess right now, and personally I have no
faith things will get sorted out to *anybody's* satisfaction the way in
any foreseeable future.

--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:31:16 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
s quickly quoth:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:01:59 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On 15 Nov 2005 19:06:51 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On 15 Nov 2005 10:54:18 -0800, tom wrote:
I'd have to agree with Robatoy on the crunchy/smooth debate. Tom

Oh, yeah, absolutely. No point in eating peanut butter if it's not
crunchy.
If'n I wanted peanuts I'da bought peanuts. If'n I want peanut butter
I buy peanut butter - Creamy PB rules!!!!!

Skippy ;-)


man, I was with you right up to the skippy part.

skippy isn't peanut butter. it's peanut flavored corn syrup.

So is Jif. Q: WTF do you need sugar in a jar of crushed peanuts?
A: To make kids want it, make dentists rich, and to **** off parents
and anyone else who is health-minded.

Luckily, several stores around town have peanut-grinders so I get to
make my own peanut and almond butters. Ingredients: nuts, and I add
about half an ounce of olive or canola oil to the pound for easier
performance straight out of the fridge.

For those of you who can't handle a real man's crunchy peanut butter,
try the BABY FOOD AISLE.

-----
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http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

So is Jif. Q: WTF do you need sugar in a jar of crushed peanuts?
A: To make kids want it, make dentists rich, and to **** off parents
and anyone else who is health-minded.

Then there is my other all-time favourite. Take out the peanut oil (more
valuable), put vegetable oil back in. Read the label on Kraft peanut
butter..... and gobs of salt too.

Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 11:11am
(Wanda*Pangborn) who doth ponder:
Just a thought as I was considering the rude individuals mentioned
earlier. Why don't you guys moderate your group? snip

Indeed yes, this group is plagued with mostly rude, crude, outright
*******s. I am one of the few exceptions. However, they are what makes
it interesting here. Most of us ae well aware that there are moderated
woodworking forums, etc., avaiable. We prefer it here.

You are obviously a bit confused. The problem is not the people
here, it is trolls, with abusive, often cross-posted, usually off-topic,
vile, profane, and pointless, postingss. They apparently have low, or
negative, self-esteem, non-existent social skills, are never
interesting, or amusing, often lack basic spelling and grammer skills
and are often totally ignorant of the subject at hand. Fortunately they
are usually easily spotted, sometimes by the subject line, other time by
the first one or two sentences. Usually not a good idea to respond to
them, because most of their drivel is cross-posted - which is why so
many threads pop up here, originated elswhere, and cross-posted here -
then everyone that response, wherever, it shows up everywhere.

Got any single plus-sized female friends (with no kids)? I'm
looking.



JOAT
If it ain't broke, don't lend it.
- Red Green

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:15:09 -0800, Larry Jaques
scribbled:

For those of you who can't handle a real man's crunchy peanut butter,
try the BABY FOOD AISLE.

So, you like crunchy bits in your butter too? Or cream cheese? or
brie? or mascarpone? or are they all also baby food? It's called
"butter" for a reason. Or do you agree with the sentiments Pratchett
identified:

Sham Harga had run a successful eatery for many years by always
smiling, never extending credit, and realizing that most of his
customers wanted meals properly balanced between the four food groups:
sugar, starch, grease and crunchy bits.
Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ct_Woodworking

Wanda Pangborn wrote:

.......a buncha net nanny horse ****.

I SAY:

Moderation is for pussies. Learn how to use a ****ing killfile.

Advice for the day.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:42:22 -0600, Mike O. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:11:03 -0500, "Wanda Pangborn"
wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

I used to post to a moderated group for plus size women and it was a
godsend, as you can imagine the kind of trolling that was attempted. You
just need a really fair and dedicated moderator, which I know is easier said
than done. Moderators have to be level headed and leave their egos at the
door.

Who would want to moderate it?
It would have to be someone who cares about the wreck which would make
him/her a woodworker who would rather make sawdust than get in the
middle of some of the stuff that passes through here.
IMHO one sure way to run off a contributing member of the wreck would
be to make him/her the moderator.

I vote no. ;-)


Mike O.

This group would be a nightmare to moderate. The moderating is best
left to the individual user by using their filters. Most of the really
offensive post are by trolls and hijackers, the OT post are easily
dealt with by filters. Its really not that hard. I have more problems
trying to keep up with spam email and damn popups. In all fairness
most honest posters are just passionate on the subject. Nothing new to
active newsgroups. Its why I have been using them since 2400 days.
Just my thoughts.
No is the vote.
Ed

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:12:53 -0500, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
"Steve Peterson" wrote:

This group does nothing in moderation.

Especially when one of them 'double-dyed dip**** on their good days'-
kinda guys comes and bothers us.

YES YES
ROTFLMAO
This WREC brakes for no one!

Boy am I in trouble.... I like smooth & salty peanut butter!


Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

So is Jif. Q: WTF do you need sugar in a jar of crushed peanuts?
A: To make kids want it, make dentists rich, and to **** off parents
and anyone else who is health-minded.

Then there is my other all-time favourite. Take out the peanut oil (more
valuable), put vegetable oil back in. Read the label on Kraft peanut
butter..... and gobs of salt too.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:11:03 -0500, "Wanda Pangborn"
wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

1) Because moderation isn't a good idea

2) Because of a _huge_ bunfight a few months ago. One "Vito Kuhn",
America's Best Christian Woodworker decided that we all needed saving
from ourselves. There was huge animosity, some of it over moderation but
mostly over the way he went about it. It's a very touchy subject now.

If you want to see a moderated group in action, try reading Vito's
"fam.woodworking" Safe for families, christians and small animals. Not
a thing in it.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:57:17 -0500, (J T)
wrote:

...often lack basic spelling and grammer skills...

Physician, heal thyself. "grammar."

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

"Andy Dingley" wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:11:03 -0500, "Wanda Pangborn"
wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

1) Because moderation isn't a good idea

With all due respect Andy, that's just YOUR OPINION. There are hundreds
of moderated newsgroups in various hierarchies and many of them are
thriving.

2) Because of a huge bunfight a few months ago. One "Vito Kuhn",
America's Best Christian Woodworker decided that we all needed saving
from ourselves.

That's not BY ANY MEANS an accurate account of what happened. I proposed
a SEPARATE GROUP for PEOPLE INTERESTED in a SEPARATE MODERATED GROUP. I
never once suggested that rec.woodworking should be moderated. If the
group passed, reading it and posting to it would have been VOLUNTARY.
Staying in the unmoderated wreck would have been voluntary too if the
group passed, this option would NOT have been taken away from wreckers
and I NEVER proposed anything like that.

There was huge animosity, some of it over moderation but
mostly over the way he went about it.

Once again, I proposed a SEPARATE GROUP, and I went through all the
proper hoops and channels. It was not my fault that a sociopath from Ohio
named Steve Young flooded the ballot box with forged and "FROGGED" votes.
Later when the vote fraud was detected, Susan and I VOLUNTARILY declined
the revote that was offered to us by the NAN Team.

It's a very touchy subject now.

I see that the subject will never be allowed to rest.

If you want to see a moderated group in action, try reading Vito's
"fam.woodworking" Safe for families, christians and small animals. Not
a thing in it.

More hog wash. First of all, the fam.* hierarchy is INACTIVE now.
http://www.family-usenet.com
Second of all, fam.* woodworking was NEVER moderated. Third of all,
current usenet protocols are not advanced enough to keep ANY newsgroup
100% "SAFE". My hierarchy was destroyed by a massive, organized troll
invasion. You use Supernews, and they were the only news service provider
to respect our charters so you probably didn't see any of the cross
posted drivel. But most people DID see all the junk from the swines, and
that kept decent folks from wanting to participate. If you're gonna bad
mouth me, Andy, at least get your details straight.


VK

In article , Andy Dingley
wrote:

If you want to see a moderated group in action, try reading Vito's
"fam.woodworking"

It's not moderated...

--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green

In article , Vito Kuhn
wrote:

My hierarchy was destroyed by a massive, organized troll
invasion.

Bull****. There was never any serious traffic from the start. I know. I
peeked.

--
"Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a
well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy
free health care and 100 percent literacy." -- John Derbyshire

Howdy!

In article .ca,
Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article ews.net,
Wanda Pangborn wrote:

Why don't you guys moderate your group?

It is not possible to change the moderation status of a news group in
the "Big 8", which rec.woodworking is part of.

Just as important, there was a detailed post in news.groups just the
other day that spoke of the many issues involved in establishing a
moderated newsgroup.

The executive summary is "it's a bucket load of work for you and your
team, and it isn't necessarily a good idea, either".

yours,
Michael


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