Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

Take peek at ABPW. I have never used an LN plane so I do not have a point of
reference from the high end.

On a good day, my 80's vintage record #5 can perform nearly as well. It has
seen *hours* of tuning. the LV had a couple minutes of honing.

I vote LV (although something in broze would look really cool on the wall).

"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in
ups.com:

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I
played with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?


This may or may not help -- Lee Valley will have a both at Woodworking
show in Portland (Oct 21-23) -- www.thewoodworkingshows.com

I've been happy with the Veritas planes I've got; (low angle block, and
l.a. smooth). I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of their bench planes, were
I in the market.

Likewise -- you can always order, and if you don't like it, send it
back.

--
Regards,

JT
Speaking only for myself....

If that's Portland Oregon Steve Knight is local to you and you
could easily go to his shop and see/try/caress his works of art.
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

Art

"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

Tattooed and Dusty wrote:

Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

I'm curious why, if you already own some LV planes, that you feel you
MIGHT be making a mistake in purchasing another one. I have 5 of them
and each one is as well made and useful as the next. I don't own any
LN, but I have seen them close up, at WW fairs. I don't know why they
command such a high price; snob appeal, better performance, or looks?
Not ever having taking one to a piece of wood, I can only conjecture why
they sell at such high prices. Not that there's anything WRONG with
wanting the higher priced spread...

DAve

Thanks for the start guys. I do know Steve's planes. In fact I have one
more or less on the way. For whatever reason I would like an additional
metal bodied plane right now. I don't know why I am considering the LN
over the Veritas. I went and looked at the LN and was really impressed
by how well put together it is. I have been really happy with the
overall performance of the Veritas planes I own (a low angle block, and
medium shoulder) but both have needed some little tweaks out of the
box. The low angle block had a filling on the lever cap that was sharp
enough to draw blood, and large enough to prevent the cap from coming
off without loosening the screw. No big deal, I too care of it, but I
would like this next plane purchase to really last forever.

It should also be added that I am really impatient with shipping, and
if I decided on the LN I could go get it in 20 minutes.

That said I am leaning more and more towards Veritas.

"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

Both planes are terrific, I own a few of each and after working with each, I
lean only slightly towards the Lie-Nielson. They just feel so good in the
hands. Maybe it is because they cost more, but I usually grab the LN when I
want to insure a smooth slice.

You will be happy with either. I'll second the Steve Knight plane, I have
his coffin smother and its a great plane.

Dave



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"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com...

new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright.

If I were going to buy a smoother right now, I'd just have to give the LV
bevel up smoother a go. I like things that have engineering innovation.
This one has. I will also own a Steve Knight smoother some day too.
LN planes have never appealed to me. I don't put my tools on pedestals and
stare at them. I keep them relatively clean and use that Japanese oil on the
bare parts. But I don't polish them or keep them in felt bags. So paying
the extra price for the fine finish doesn't ring my value bell.

So do you drive a Lexus, Mercedes, Cadillac, or Volvo? If its a cooper
mini, forget the LN. :-)

Bob

What about Clifton, they make a fantastic smoothing plane... equal to the LN
and probably better then the LV. You should try and get your hands on one..
for me it just feels better then the LN.


"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

BillyBob
I looked at the bevel up smoother and plan on buying one eventually,
though didn't truely consider it right now. I am planning on using the
No4 for both some final smoothing and lots of trimming things to fit.
It seems that the bevel up smoother is mainly designed for the
smoothing portion of those wishes. I could be wrong though, please let
me know if I am.
As far as the car I drive. I have a old diesel suburban, so I suppose I
should buy a Stanley from the hardware store. That said I like having
tools that work really well, and I use them accordingly. I don't have
anything that sits on a pedastal, but I do appreciate the highest
quality I can afford.

Randall,
I hadn't even considered the Clifton as I was under the impression they
were charging a premium for a substandard grade tool. Like only
slightly better than the Stanleys I can get at HomeDepot. I'm sorry if
I am way off on that one as well.

It seems all in all I should just get a LV and shut up about it...

Thanks for the comments and please keep up coming.

Maybe has anyone at all been disapointed with the LV and been happy
with the LN?

Andrew

On 10 Oct 2005 12:00:34 -0700, "Tattooed and Dusty"
wrote:

Hi All,
I am sure this will be a somewhat futile post, but here goes. After
fooling around with many a couple well used hand planes, and a couple
new japanese style planes, I think I am ready to purchase a "brand new"
No 4 smooth plane. I am trying to decide between a Veritas and the
Lie-Nielson. I have a couple Veritas planes, and have been very happy
with them, and a rabbet block plane from LN, which is frankly just
alright. I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on the Veritas
and end up wishing I had coughed up the little more for the LN. At the
same time if there is no difference that's four K-body clamps from
leevalley this month...

I have to say I really wish there was a Lee Valley store in Portland,
as I like to touch expensive things before buying them, and as I played
with the LN seems only fair. Alright Any thoughs?

Thanks so much in advance, and I look forward to hearing what you guys
think

Andrew

I can't say anything about the Veritas planes, but I do have a LN #4. I
have been exceedingly pleased with this plane. Fit and finish were superb
out of the box, the blade is hefty enough that chatter is not a problem.
My honing skills still need more work, but even with that consideration, I
have had no problems with getting this plane to give smooth cuts even on
curly cherry (haven't used it on many other difficult woods yet). I had a
Stanley #4 that I spent hours tweaking and honing the blade, I could never
get anywhere near the results I have gotten with the LN.






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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:40:57 -0700, "Wood Butcher"
wrote:

If that's Portland Oregon Steve Knight is local to you and you
could easily go to his shop and see/try/caress his works of art.
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

I was going to say bring those Japanese irons to my shop and I can
make a plane that's easy to use around them.
Knight-Toolworks
http://www.knight-toolworks.com
affordable handmade wooden planes

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:25:32 -0700, Steve knight
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:40:57 -0700, "Wood Butcher"
wrote:

If that's Portland Oregon Steve Knight is local to you and you
could easily go to his shop and see/try/caress his works of art.
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

I was going to say bring those Japanese irons to my shop and I can
make a plane that's easy to use around them.
Knight-Toolworks
http://www.knight-toolworks.com
affordable handmade wooden planes



on the subject of making a plane around an iron...

I have a big 'ol iron I've been intending to build a plane around
someday. any tips, links or resources you could recommend to get me
going?

Yeah, I actually have been trying my hand at making some wood bodied
planes, based largely on some instructions in some writing of James
Krenov. They are coming along, but I still want to metal bodied plane
for some goofy reason.

It should also be added that I am really impatient with shipping, and
if I decided on the LN I could go get it in 20 minutes.

That said I am leaning more and more towards Veritas.


You're in which Portland? I am in Cali, orders from Lee valley take a full
week from Fed-Ex ground, only option they offer. I hate it!

--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

Or, yeah orders from LV take a long time to get here. It sucks that it
becomes such a part of the thinking process...

A

On 10 Oct 2005 23:09:39 -0700, "Tattooed and Dusty"
wrote:

Yeah, I actually have been trying my hand at making some wood bodied
planes, based largely on some instructions in some writing of James
Krenov. They are coming along, but I still want to metal bodied plane
for some goofy reason.

well you will learn the hard way (G) sorry I could not resist. resist
the force Luke resist.
Knight-Toolworks
http://www.knight-toolworks.com
affordable handmade wooden planes

I finished (kinda) my first attempt today. I have to say it's only
moderately more difficult to use than the japanese smoother I have.
Maybe the next attempt will work even better?

Seriously though, if you know of any good resourses to point me to I
would really appreciate it, and sometime I will get around to making
that bubble wrap rack for you.

Andrew

Tattooed and Dusty wrote:
I finished (kinda) my first attempt today. I have to say it's only
moderately more difficult to use than the japanese smoother I have.
Maybe the next attempt will work even better?

Seriously though, if you know of any good resourses to point me to I
would really appreciate it, and sometime I will get around to making
that bubble wrap rack for you.

Andrew


Try and catch this episode of Wood Works sometime:

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/shows_wwk/episode/0,2046,DIY_14350_34860,00.html

For a 1/2 hour show, this particular episode was pretty detailed.

-John