I´ve been looking for a suitable scrollsaw for a hobby user and have been
recommended the Delta SS350LS. There is also an older version called 40-570,
which seem to be available here in my country, Finland, but I´d like the
newer one with the stand that comes with it. Also been looking at those
expensive Hegner scrollsaws.

The problem is, that the Delta SS350LS is not sold over here, only the
discontiued 40-570 without any stand whatsoever. The price for this is 330
euros ($410). That´s kind of much, considering that you guys in the States
get a DeWalt 788 including a stand for that amount of cash.

I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have asked
the factory and they do not make a model for the European market with the
required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version, not sure if
there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

The Hegner scrollsaws are of course available for the European market and
electricity specifications, being an Austrian product, but prices here in
Finland for even the smallest one is about 600 euros and it doesn´t take a
blade quickchange set at all. The bigger ones do, but then prices goes to
more than 1300 euros and that´s without electronic speed control, you have
to buy separately the speed control, quickchange blade holder and stand.

So, back to the subject:

Is there an online woodworking tool shop somewhere in Europe with reasonable
prices? Preferably one that carries the Delta scrollsaws and/or Hegner ones?

I´m thankful for any tips and comments.

Sincerely, Ken
Finland

Ken wrote:

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I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have asked
the factory and they do not make a model for the European market with the
required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version, not sure if
there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

Would it be cost effective to purchase a voltage converter and use a
product made for the US market? A quick search shows 230V/110V-5000
watt converters running around $100 US.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

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Ken wrote:

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I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have
asked the factory and they do not make a model for the European market
with the required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version,
not sure if there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

Would it be cost effective to purchase a voltage converter and use a
product made for the US market? A quick search shows 230V/110V-5000 watt
converters running around $100 US.

Unless it's DC, you run up against the 50Hz business as well. Believe 60 to
50 is the acceptable direction, though.

George wrote:
"no(SPAM)vasys" wrote in message

Would it be cost effective to purchase a voltage converter and use a
product made for the US market? A quick search shows 230V/110V-5000 watt
converters running around $100 US.


Unless it's DC, you run up against the 50Hz business as well. Believe 60 to
50 is the acceptable direction, though.



Unless your trying to run a clock the frequency difference shouldn't
matter (although a motor would run slower). The converters are designed
for international travelers, allowing them to use their US made products
overseas.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

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Unless it's DC, you run up against the 50Hz business as well. Believe 60
to 50 is the acceptable direction, though.

Unless your trying to run a clock the frequency difference shouldn't
matter (although a motor would run slower). The converters are designed
for international travelers, allowing them to use their US made products
overseas.


Well, cooling issues, centrifugal switches and such count, but I'll take
your word for it.

I´ve been thinking of a converter. But the scrollsaw would anyway need to be
for the European market, so that I could get it repaired in case it brakes,
the guarantee issue.

Still, the prices are so steep here in Finland, that I started contemplating
buying one from a web shop, a scrollsaw for the European market, but maybe
for a more affordable price from somewhere in Germany, the U.K., Estonia...?

I´ve done some google searches for woodworking tools & machinery web shops
somewhere in Europe, but I mostly get hits from the U.S.A., you seem to have
a lot of woodworking shops over there, good for you!

I don´t know of any web shops here in Europe specializing in this branch,
maybe someone has had some experience on some web shop, if so, I´d be very
happy to hear your comments too.

Ken

From what I have read on other forums, the EU has large import VAT taxes,
and Import Taxes, and so forth, that add almost 50% to 70% the cost of
products. What I find shocking, is sometimes, if the products are made in
Eastern Europe (but still part of EU), but sold in North America and sent
back to the EU, they still add those huge taxes.

Anyway I suggest you post your question to a scroll saw forum that has other
EU members, like http://www.scrollsawer.com/forum/index.php (This is a
sponsored site by a SS hobby magazine.)

There are a few scroll saw makers in England that make fine SS at a middle
of the road cost, and which are completely unknown in USA or Canada.

If the best SS blades are Swiss made, Germany made, and such, I, at least,
would expect that a few tools that use such fine blades would be made in
Europe.

Phil

"Ken" wrote in message
...
I´ve been looking for a suitable scrollsaw for a hobby user and have been
recommended the Delta SS350LS. There is also an older version called
40-570, which seem to be available here in my country, Finland, but I´d
like the newer one with the stand that comes with it. Also been looking at
those expensive Hegner scrollsaws.

The problem is, that the Delta SS350LS is not sold over here, only the
discontiued 40-570 without any stand whatsoever. The price for this is 330
euros ($410). That´s kind of much, considering that you guys in the States
get a DeWalt 788 including a stand for that amount of cash.

I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have asked
the factory and they do not make a model for the European market with the
required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version, not sure
if there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

The Hegner scrollsaws are of course available for the European market and
electricity specifications, being an Austrian product, but prices here in
Finland for even the smallest one is about 600 euros and it doesn´t take a
blade quickchange set at all. The bigger ones do, but then prices goes to
more than 1300 euros and that´s without electronic speed control, you have
to buy separately the speed control, quickchange blade holder and stand.

So, back to the subject:

Is there an online woodworking tool shop somewhere in Europe with
reasonable prices? Preferably one that carries the Delta scrollsaws and/or
Hegner ones?

I´m thankful for any tips and comments.

Sincerely, Ken
Finland

Ken wrote:
I´ve been looking for a suitable scrollsaw for a hobby user and have been
recommended the Delta SS350LS. There is also an older version called 40-570,
which seem to be available here in my country, Finland, but I´d like the
newer one with the stand that comes with it. Also been looking at those
expensive Hegner scrollsaws.

The problem is, that the Delta SS350LS is not sold over here, only the
discontiued 40-570 without any stand whatsoever. The price for this is 330
euros ($410). That´s kind of much, considering that you guys in the States
get a DeWalt 788 including a stand for that amount of cash.

I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have asked
the factory and they do not make a model for the European market with the
required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version, not sure if
there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

The Hegner scrollsaws are of course available for the European market and
electricity specifications, being an Austrian product, but prices here in
Finland for even the smallest one is about 600 euros and it doesn´t take a
blade quickchange set at all. The bigger ones do, but then prices goes to
more than 1300 euros and that´s without electronic speed control, you have
to buy separately the speed control, quickchange blade holder and stand.

So, back to the subject:

Is there an online woodworking tool shop somewhere in Europe with reasonable
prices? Preferably one that carries the Delta scrollsaws and/or Hegner ones?

I´m thankful for any tips and comments.

Sincerely, Ken
Finland


Personally I would get a saw from the USA, and buy one of these:
http://voltageconverters.com/voltage_converters.html

200W should be sufficient for a scroll saw.

You can also find some stuff he
http://www.axminster.co.uk
http://www.diytools.co.uk
http://diytools.com/
(Sometimes it's called a fretsaw in England).
But for some reason it is expensive to get larger items shipped from
England (sometimes lower shipping costs from the USA...).

Have a look here also:
http://www.toolking.com


JES

Be careful about a voltage converter. They only convert the voltage not the
frequency. Many US 110V items, especially those with electric motors will
not operate properly solely with a converter.
.. US frequency is 60Hz while Euro is 50Hz. Besides possible damage to an
electrical circuit, at the least your motor will run 5/6 as fast as it would
in the US. Check the specifications of the item you want to convert, if the
data plate says it will work on 110VAC at 50/60Hz you are ok(with the
converter) but if it only says 60hz then stay clear unless you want to take
the chance on ruining or shortening the unit life. I spent 3 years in
Germany and ran many electrical appliances successfully through converters,
but never took the chance on those that weren't rated for it.
My 2 cents FWIW,
Rich




"Jan Egil Sjåstad" wrote in message
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Ken wrote:
I´ve been looking for a suitable scrollsaw for a hobby user and have been
recommended the Delta SS350LS. There is also an older version called
40-570, which seem to be available here in my country, Finland, but I´d
like the newer one with the stand that comes with it. Also been looking
at those expensive Hegner scrollsaws.

The problem is, that the Delta SS350LS is not sold over here, only the
discontiued 40-570 without any stand whatsoever. The price for this is
330 euros ($410). That´s kind of much, considering that you guys in the
States get a DeWalt 788 including a stand for that amount of cash.

I know the DeWalt 788 is one that is usually recommended, but I have
asked the factory and they do not make a model for the European market
with the required 230Volt motor. The Delta 40-570 has a European version,
not sure if there is one of the newer SS350LS that I´d like.

The Hegner scrollsaws are of course available for the European market and
electricity specifications, being an Austrian product, but prices here in
Finland for even the smallest one is about 600 euros and it doesn´t take
a blade quickchange set at all. The bigger ones do, but then prices goes
to more than 1300 euros and that´s without electronic speed control, you
have to buy separately the speed control, quickchange blade holder and
stand.

So, back to the subject:

Is there an online woodworking tool shop somewhere in Europe with
reasonable prices? Preferably one that carries the Delta scrollsaws
and/or Hegner ones?

I´m thankful for any tips and comments.

Sincerely, Ken
Finland


Personally I would get a saw from the USA, and buy one of these:
http://voltageconverters.com/voltage_converters.html

200W should be sufficient for a scroll saw.

You can also find some stuff he
http://www.axminster.co.uk
http://www.diytools.co.uk
http://diytools.com/
(Sometimes it's called a fretsaw in England).
But for some reason it is expensive to get larger items shipped from
England (sometimes lower shipping costs from the USA...).

Have a look here also:
http://www.toolking.com


JES

Rich wrote:
Be careful about a voltage converter. They only convert the voltage not the
frequency. Many US 110V items, especially those with electric motors will
not operate properly solely with a converter.
. US frequency is 60Hz while Euro is 50Hz. Besides possible damage to an
electrical circuit, at the least your motor will run 5/6 as fast as it would
in the US.

Only if you are running an induction motor. With a universal motor (the
type with brushes) it should not be a problem.
Smaller powertools are normally equipped with universal motors.
AFAIK their speed depends on the voltage and not the frequency (they can
even run on DC).


JES