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No respect for for the line...
Hi all,
This has always bothered me (anal as I am). Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing (say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4. It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again, back to the MS to trim "a hair". Still doesn't fit right. OK, another hair...then another.... It's kind of funny every time I think about it. Next time, I use a sharper pencil. I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing). I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now. Still no respect for the line. Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will I respect that any more? Thank the Lord I don't have to do this for a living! Lou |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:32:24 -0400, loutent wrote:
Hi all, This has always bothered me (anal as I am). Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to be cut, I never have confidence in it. .....snip.... no respect for the line. Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will I respect that any more? you'll have to. the knife has already started the cut for you.... |
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loutent (in ) said:
| Still no respect for the line. | | Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will | I respect that any more? Well, if you use a knife you might as well cut to the mark since it can't be erased. Challenge yourself to make every saw kerf remove just the waste side of the mark - it's possible, but not as easy as it sounds (pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and crude). Don't buy one of the Lee Valley French-made ebony-handled marking knives! I bought one and it's absolutely useless. It's so beautiful that I just can't bring myself to actually use it - I use my old pocket knife instead. FWIW, being AR might be an asset when your goal is a fine, exact fit. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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"Morris Dovey" wrote: (pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and crude). I'm always game for a new toy, but other than a rotating laser level to install a counter, cabinets or wainscoting, I have found lasers on mitre saws a complete waste of time. The lighter the colour of the wood, the fatter the line. Useless. I always have a proper Staedtler pencil sharpener in my pocket. I use 2H pencils to mark my line and I get good results. I only go up and down that ladder 2 or 3 times, as opposed to the usual 6 or 7. When the weather cools off, I sometimes use a mechanical pencil as I then have a pocket for it. In summer, the lighter wooden pencil lives on my ear. So much so, that when I'm on the phone, and somebody wants to leave me a number, I reach for my ear...even though there may not be a pencil there...much to the entertainment of my daughter. |
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I'm with Robatoy. I use #2 pencils all the time for just about
everything. They are so cheap at the dollar store and when the back to school sales go on that I stock up. They have to be wood; NO plastic or composite. Must be #2, and I like the round ones when I can find them but 'ol yeller works fine. I keep a small pen knife that is razor sharp (aka: splinter removal tool) for sharpening my pencils. If I need something hair fine, I put that point on the pencil and usually get two marks out of it before resharpening. Who cares if you burn a pencil or two a day? I sounds like you just need more consistent practice and you will be fine cutting your marks. Robert |
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"loutent" wrote in message ... Hi all, This has always bothered me (anal as I am). Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing (say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4. It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again, back to the MS to trim "a hair". Still doesn't fit right. OK, another hair...then another.... It's kind of funny every time I think about it. Next time, I use a sharper pencil. I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing). I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now. Still no respect for the line. Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will I respect that any more? Lou, Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going through. Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. If not that, a mechanical pencil will work just as well. Lot easier to sharpen too. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
Lou, Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going through. Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. www.dictionary.com: 3 entries found for precession. 1. The act or state of preceding; precedence. 2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on the axis. 3. Astronomy. 1. Precession of the equinoxes. 2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge. 4 entries found for precision. 1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness. 2. 1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently reproduced. 2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been reliably measured. adj. 1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision tool. 2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision components. 3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing. |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote: Lou, Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going through. Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. www.dictionary.com: 3 entries found for precession. 1. The act or state of preceding; precedence. 2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on the axis. 3. Astronomy. 1. Precession of the equinoxes. 2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge. 4 entries found for precision. 1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness. 2. 1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently reproduced. 2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been reliably measured. adj. 1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision tool. 2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision components. 3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing. Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos / spell checking errors? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Chris wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote: Lou, Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going through. Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. www.dictionary.com: 3 entries found for precession. ....snip definitions of precession and precision.... Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos / spell checking errors? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it is relevant to your post. do I have anything useful to contribute? do you? |
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Well at least you don't cut too much off.
"loutent" wrote in message ... Hi all, This has always bothered me (anal as I am). Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing (say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4. It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again, back to the MS to trim "a hair". Still doesn't fit right. OK, another hair...then another.... It's kind of funny every time I think about it. Next time, I use a sharper pencil. I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing). I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now. Still no respect for the line. Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will I respect that any more? Thank the Lord I don't have to do this for a living! Lou |
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Be bold. Be daring.
Next time you have some cheap little trim piece to cut mark a pencil line and learn to split the line with the saw blade. Cut on the waste side for best results. Once you have been successful once , the next time it is easier. |
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